Am I allowed to have conversational talks at a local school in Thailand without a work permit if I have a retirement extension and am married to a Thai national?

May 23, 2018
7 years ago
Bill ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I have a 12month extension to stay stamp based on retirement and im married to a Thai national, my question is, ive been asked by the local school to have conversational talks with the local students weekly , no payment will be made by the school, as i dont have a work permit am i allowed to speak with them ? T I A
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The post discusses whether the author, who has a 12-month retirement extension and is married to a Thai national, can speak voluntarily with students at a local school without a work permit. The responses indicate that technically, any volunteering activity may require a work permit in Thailand, regardless of payment. Many posts emphasize that without this permit, the author risks legal trouble if reported. Various opinions weigh the likelihood of enforcement and the personal risks involved with volunteering in such a capacity.
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George ********
I can only recall the incident a few years ago at a jazz club in Chiangmai. Once a week they had "jam night", and anybody was welcome to get up and perform. The police showed up one night and started detaining foreigners on the basis of working without a permit.
Ray *****
@Rhiannon *******
surely a visa advice group can only give best advice within the local laws, otherwise it would be a pretty useless group. Sure people will always act outside of the laws and that is of course their decision but I for one am happy to get clear advise based on the current laws
Rhiannon ********
I think it's good Bill hears both sides no? He's heard the rules and legalities and now the opinion of others and can make his own informed decision :) I didn't realise this group was only allowed to give advice according to Thai laws. In that case I wonder if admins should restrict others from giving 'advice' at all if it is not deemed worthy or fit for the group. I guess I didn't read the pinned post or forum rules. Is that already stated as policy?
Tod *********
Rhiannon being appreciative at the end of the day the thaiz being appreciative still doesn't make it legal. :/
Rhiannon ********
😂 nope! We are all responsible for our own decisions. We pick and choose what advice we take and that is the way it should be. Otherwise we would all be the exact same people doing the exact same thing. In this case id say it depends a lot on where you live and your relationship with the community. I've known many people that have volunteered like this over the years and the community has been so appreciative, the police have even encouraged it 😂
Richard *******
Would you pay his fine if he got caught after taking your advice ???
Tod *********
While in truth this stuff happens a LOT and the likelihood of you comin' off the rails is small it IS definitely illegal. Period, end of story, and all it'd take is one disgruntled thai to throw you under the bus.

As much as your heart is in the right place, pass on it.. At the end of the day it's just now worth the grief it could cause you.
William **************
I think the OP is walking on very thin ice. Sure he could help but one whisper to the Thai police or immigration and he would be detained for not having a proper work permit.
Robert *******
Please all, this page is to give advice. Giving advice should be according Thai laws, rules and regulations. The rule on working as described in the labor act is clear: You need a work permit. Let's not discuss enforcement, or if this rule is to strict or it does not concern others or how to get caught. We are guests in this country and to keep things legal we have to follow the rules of this country. Breaking, not following laws, rules and regulations has consequences, you have to make your own decision what to do.
Tony ********
@Liam ****
all it takes is one thai teacher who is jealous of farangs (of which there are many) to go to the authorities and he's toast. you neglected to mention the chance that could happen. your so-called independent thought is flawed.
Liam *****
and i'm not advocating breaking the law by the way (although I don't always carry my passport - shoot me!), i'm saying that a little bit of independent though is necessary and, well, fine
Liam *****
Tony Dadson I'm not saying they are. I'm saying that some of the definitions are very vague that interpretation or 'is there any way I can get caught' comes into the decision making process. Ask yourself honestly, do you take your passport out with you literally every time you go anywhere? If not you're breaking the law. Which leads me to Robert Lagas' point - presumably you break the law by not always taking your passport with you, or getting on a bike without a helmet, or staying in an AirBnB, or whatever. At some point there's a judgment call, and it's not as black and white as you make out
Tony ********
@Liam ****
foreigners are not given the luxury of interpreting Thai laws.
Robert *******
@Liam ****
, what is common sense for you, could be different than mine. Mine is simple, follow the laws, rules and regulation of the country where you're a guest. If not, face the consequences if get caught. And this is the last comment from me on this post about following the law or usage of common sense by not doing it.
Liam *****
Robert Lagas I am giving advice that common sense is needed when deciding how to interpret vague, poorly written and unenforceable laws. For example, the law says that you must carry your passport at all times as a foreigner. If someone asked me "do I need to take my passport with me if I go to my local
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" I would say "no, don't bother".
Robert *******
@Liam ****
As said the law on working even as volunteer is clear. What ever you think of it and want to follow or not is up to you. But don't give advice to others it should be okay to disregard the laws, it may work out fine for you, but not for others.
Liam *****
Yes, but their laws say you can't have gatherings of more than 5 people (which thus makes parties illegal), or that it's illegal to promote alcohol (thus making illegal for a waiter to recommend which wine goes with the pasta). Sometimes their laws make no sense. The definition of 'volunteering' is so vague that at some point a bit of common sense interpretation is required
Colin **********
well said that man
Ron *******
The rules are strict. Take a look at what happened regarding those volunteering after the Tsunami. As much as people are genuinely trying to help, there would always be those that would take advantage if the authority's simply allowed it to happen.
Liam *****
I know some people on these forums interpret the rules very strictly, but honestly, how could you possibly be 'caught' for such a thing? I would give the talk and not worry about it
Jonathan ********
Rhianon is correct. With 99.99% certainly, it will be absolutely no problem whatsoever. If the cops do catch you the only thing they'd be likely to do is ask you if you'd teach them for an hour too.
Rhiannon ********
It's really sad that people are starting to get scared off by the government's strict policies. Although legally you are supposed to have a work permit for even volunteering your presence in a local village school is really not their concern and they'd give you no second thought if you were not receiving money :/
Ed ****
I personally wouldn't risk it mate.
Colin **********
I would of thought seeing no payment is being made and its a limited time, it would be ok. I have not seen any body being reported for doing this type of work.
Robert *******
This is officially seen as Volunteer work and therefor you need a Work Permit. As you say your Extension of Stay is based on "retirement" you can not get the Work Permit.
Richard *******
@Robert ******
No, it was an article in the Phuket gazette that quoted an immigration official, although as you say I am sure it was not during the first couple of days
Robert *******
If you mean this article it is exactly as I stated:
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Richard *******
@Robert ******
Read the Phuket gazette, the remarks were published there and were a direct quote from the head of immigration.
Paul *********
@Richard ******
I wasn't here at that time, but now that you mention it, i do recall hearing something about it.
Robert *******
Richard Clark During the Tsunami nobody was asked anything, all to busy to save their own lives. During the first days after I was never asked. Maybe later when foreign aid groups showed up for rebuild etc, work permits where asked.
Richard *******
@Paul ********
Didn't you hear about the stink when rescue volunteers during the Asian Tsunami of 2004 were told they needed a work permit !!
Robert *******
Non O based on marriage is good, this visa allows you to work with a Work Permit.
Paul *********
If one has non immigrant O based on marriage, i guess this is not good enough, it needs to be volunteer specific?
Robert *******
There is even a special Visa for that: Non Immigrant O visa for Volunteer work. As foreigner you need a Work Permit to work paid or unpaid in Thailand. And next to this Work Permit you need a visa that allows you to work.
Paul *********
A work permit to volunteer? Wow 😣
Bill ********
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Thank you Robert
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