What are the responsibilities of landlords and lessees regarding TM30 and immigration reporting in Thailand?

Dec 4, 2022
2 years ago
Dan *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
1. Is it the landlordโ€™s responsibility to report to immigration if a foreign National lessee breaks their lease and has moved out earlier (months not just a few days) than their lease?

2. When a foreign National leaves the country and returns to their same home that they lived at before they left the country (and had already done a TM30), is a new TM30 need to be done?

3. Has immigration discontinued the departure card?

4. Who ultimately has responsibility for the TM30? If the landlord provides and signs the landlord information on the form and tells the lessee to report to immigration within 24 hours of the move in date (with documented proof photos), shouldnโ€™t the lessee have responsibility? The lessee can also fill out the form without the landlord although it is not obvious looking at the form. I think there are instructions in this group as to how to fill the form out without the landlordas I remember doing this once because my landlord was unaware or pretended to be unaware of the reporting requirement.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The responsibilities related to TM30 forms and immigration reporting can often cause confusion for both landlords and lessees. Key points discussed include: 1. Landlords are generally not responsible for reporting a foreign national lessee who breaks their lease. 2. Whether a new TM30 is necessary when returning to the same residence after traveling abroad depends on local immigration office policies, which can vary. 3. The departure card (TM6) has been suspended for air travel but is still available for land border entries. 4. Ultimately, while landlords may assist with the TM30 process, the foreign national is responsible for ensuring compliance and may face penalties for any failures related to the TM30.
Tod *********
okay, well this turned in to the proverbial train wreck of a post that I can't keep an eye on anymore

I hope that
@Dan ********
got the answers he was looking for.

The correct answer whether you wanna hear it or not is CHECK with your immigration office

There are over 80 in the country and they each seem to do their own thing about TM30's ๐Ÿ˜•
Lyndon ************
In short

No

Yes

Yes

Landlord but you pay the fine
Ellie *******
1. There is no regulation regarding the immigration act to report foreigners leaving the address

2. That totally depends on the local immigration office. Some require you to do it every time you are back from abroad, some don't.

3. Tm 6 arrival/departure cards are currently suspended for only travelers entering Thailand by air.

4. TM 30 form is named "notification from for House-Master, owner or possessor of residence or hotel manager where alien has stayed". So one or all of them have the responsibility to report TM30.

Please refer to these posts by
@T**
about how to report if you are not a landlord. Those posts are dated old but still legit in Bangkok.

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Brandon ************
1. Why would the government care? This is a private matter between the landlord and the tenant. The ONLY date on a TM30 is date of arrival, it has nothing to do with duration of stay etc.

2. Every immigration office has different policies on this, and they change from time to time. You have to ask your local immigration. Most commonly is that you need to file a new one if you leave the country, but not if you travel domestically and return to the same address. But some offices want you to file a new one any time you spend the night away from home, and some don't care even if you leave the country and return to the same address.

3. TM6 arrival cards are temporarily halted for air travel, but are still being handed out at land borders.

4. The landlord or property owner is responsible for reporting arrival of a foreigner at their property. But that being said, the only person who will face any consequences for it not being filed is the foreigner, as they may be fined when going to immigration and also may be turned away and unable to use immigration until it's complete.
Ana ************************
@Tod ********
at least I paid paid the fine because the property owner is a relative of mine and the rent was low ๐Ÿ˜€
Ana ************************
They do if the property owner joins the immigration with you. It happened 2 years ago in Chiang Mai to me
Tod *********
@Ana ***********************
and at most offices it's YOU who pays the fine not the landlord
Ana ************************
The property owner will have to pay a fine of 1600 bath for not reporting, but if he doesn't join you to immigration, you will pay the fine
Brandon ************
@Ana ***********************
I've never heard of a property owner actually being fined. The reality is it's always the foreigner that is fined.
John ********
@Brandon ***********
immigration recently visited several hotels on koh phangan and fined them for not filing tm30s ...they were also thai owned.
Dan *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
I know of a landlord that was fined. Anna Maria is correct. However, if you want service from immigration someone needs to pay the fine so the foreign National may decide to pay if the landlord refuses. As far as why would the government care? They seem to want to know where foreigners are staying (or not staying) at all times. I think hotels and some condos use a computer system with a check in and check out date for this function and that is why I asked.
Brandon ************
@Dan ********
none of the various TM30 systems have a date to leave. Your next TM30 just replaces the previous one.
Tod *********
๐Ÿญ. ๐—œ๐˜€ ๐—ถ๐˜ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—น๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—น๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฑโ€™๐˜€ ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€๐—ถ๐—ฏ๐—ถ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜๐˜† ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ถ๐—บ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป ๐—ถ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ป ๐—ก๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—น๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฒ๐—ฒ ๐—ฏ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ธ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ถ๐—ฟ ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜€ ๐—บ๐—ผ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐˜ ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ (๐—บ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜๐—ต๐˜€ ๐—ป๐—ผ๐˜ ๐—ท๐˜‚๐˜€๐˜ ๐—ฎ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐˜„ ๐—ฑ๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€) ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ป ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ถ๐—ฟ ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐—ฒ?

NO

๐Ÿฎ. ๐—ช๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ป ๐—ฎ ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ป ๐—ก๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ป๐˜๐—ฟ๐˜† ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ป๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ถ๐—ฟ ๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—บ๐—ฒ ๐—ต๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐˜† ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ณ๐˜ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ป๐˜๐—ฟ๐˜† (๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ฑ ๐—ฎ๐—น๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ฑ๐˜† ๐—ฑ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ ๐—ง๐— ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฌ), ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ฎ ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜„ ๐—ง๐— ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฌ ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ ๐—ฑ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฒ?

That is immigration office specific, some say no need to re-file a TM30 some say you do re-file so check with YOUR office

๐Ÿฏ. ๐—›๐—ฎ๐˜€ ๐—ถ๐—บ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป ๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐˜€๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ฑ๐—ฒ๐—ฝ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐˜๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฑ?

The program was "suspended" effective July 1, 2022 so anyone entering AFTER that date doesn't get one and doesn't need to put that number on any applications BUT before that date (if you have a TM6) you use and provide copies of it

๐Ÿฐ. ๐—ช๐—ต๐—ผ ๐˜‚๐—น๐˜๐—ถ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—น๐˜† ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜€ ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€๐—ถ๐—ฏ๐—ถ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜๐˜† ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ง๐— ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฌ?

At the end of the day you are ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

You are the person that needs to have the receipt one was filed and you will be the person getting the fine for failure to file on time. I don't care what people say, YOU take the beating for not having one if it's required when you go to the immigration office NOT your landlord.. ๐Ÿ˜•
Joe ******
@Tod ********
Can you clarify please if I"m correct.

From what I understand, It's only businesses that fill out the TM 30. Many of the privat landlords never heard of that requirement. (In order to register for the TM30 online portal, you need to have a business number)

Whilst a tenant, he can't file a TM30 but fills out a TM28 if the landlord has not filed a TM30.

Further more, my understanding is that you only need to file a TM30 (TM28) if you permanently change address or trav to a different province, not if you just move temporarily.
Tod *********
@Joe *****
nope, not correct at all

ANYONE can make an account to use the TM30, business, private residence, even tenants

Tenants CAN file TM30's and in fact many offices don't do TM28 change of address forms anymore just the TM30

It is immigration office specific if you have to re-file a new TM30 when you return from abroad to the primary address where you had a TM30 filed

SOME offices say you don't, some say you do and some say you even need to file a new one when you return to your address from domestic travel
John ********
@Tod ********
landlords can also be fined tho ...2 thai hotels were fined on phangan last month for not filing tm30s ๐Ÿ™„
Tod *********
@John *******
it's smoke and mirrors and done just for show. The foreigner who needs the TM30 is the one who suffers the most
Dan *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
เธ‚เธญเธšเธ„เธธเธ“เธ„เธฃเธฑเธšเธ—เธญเธ”
Tod *********
@Dan ********
Tod is spelled เธ—เน‰เธญเธ” ๐Ÿ˜›
Dan *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
เธ‚เธญเน‚เธ—เธฉเธ„เธธเธ“เธ—เน‰เธญเธ”
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