Answered6 years ago
Is it a good time to move to Thailand or should I consider alternative destinations like Colombia?
Not trying to be negative. But I have finally realized that although Thailand is in my heart, it just ain't worth it. Instead, I have finally come to my senses and will go to Columbia for 2 months to wait out Thai lockdowns....then I'll come.
ATTN: PHUKET LOVERS! I LEFT OUT THIS DETAIL IN MY ORIGINAL POST: My biggest concern is completing my ASQ in BKK, but then not be allowed to enter Phuket. Which is a problem because to me Thailand = Phuket. I'm not a Bangkok dude at all.
I tried very hard to make my move in Jan. '19, but when I realized that Columbia requires a PCR test with no quarantine & no complicated visa. What really pushed me over was that Columbia is alive: there is still lots of nightlife and lots of people on beaches.
So, if you have a girlfriend or a business then go to Thailand. For the rest of us, I think its too early &, like I said, not worth it.
I sincerely thank the admins of this excellent group along with people who gave me advice that I need to get my insurance, book my ASQ, etc.
See y'all in early April & remember: NYC has proven Lockdowns don't work.
ATTN: PHUKET LOVERS! I LEFT OUT THIS DETAIL IN MY ORIGINAL POST: My biggest concern is completing my ASQ in BKK, but then not be allowed to enter Phuket. Which is a problem because to me Thailand = Phuket. I'm not a Bangkok dude at all.
I tried very hard to make my move in Jan. '19, but when I realized that Columbia requires a PCR test with no quarantine & no complicated visa. What really pushed me over was that Columbia is alive: there is still lots of nightlife and lots of people on beaches.
So, if you have a girlfriend or a business then go to Thailand. For the rest of us, I think its too early &, like I said, not worth it.
I sincerely thank the admins of this excellent group along with people who gave me advice that I need to get my insurance, book my ASQ, etc.
See y'all in early April & remember: NYC has proven Lockdowns don't work.
Answer summary
The original poster expresses frustration with the current situation in Thailand due to ongoing lockdowns, highlighting concerns about completing the mandated ASQ (Alternative State Quarantine) in Bangkok and potentially being restricted from traveling to Phuket, their preferred destination. They mention plans to temporarily move to Colombia, which offers easier entry requirements and a vibrant atmosphere, contrasting it with Thailand's current state. The exchange in the comments features multiple opinions on the best travel options during the pandemic, with some advocating for patience and others suggesting alternate destinations like Mexico or Colombia due to Thailand's complexities.
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Reg ********
Bangkok is a hotspot at the moment.
Todd *********
Lol. Be prepared for some disappointment at Phuket
Neal **********
Do we have to announce all our plans now?
Today im going for a bicycle ride and then to cousins house.
Today im going for a bicycle ride and then to cousins house.
Eddie ********
Asq is easy Netflix a laptop some exercise equipment passes in no time get a nice a room with a terrace .. I would sooner goto a country that are trying than one that don't care .. I have a house in South America and Thailand.. I'm in Thailand now for a reason
Mark *******
Can somebody tell what I need to get into tialand in English please fit to fly covid test 72 hours before flight hotle to quairtine.. Then I have a address to stay at
Mark *******
Think I will take a chance on getting in tialand
Antoine *******
Of course
Steve *********
Well your right telling people to lockdown and not enforcing it does not work... But on the other hand look at Australia.. Locking down and enforcing does..
JD ********
@Steve ********
Sweden has done it correctly. No lockdowns - did not kill their economy. Their Covid-19 numbers after 11-12 months are quite favorable. Ricky *********
OP@Steve ********
Hi Steve, Didn't they totally close their borders? I'm curious because I usually fly via Sydney when I want to chill in Hawaii. But when I left Thailand during lockdown, they wouldn't let me. THAT'S WHY I ENDED UP IN NYC. So, its a very sore point for me: Hawaii was/is total cool. Also, are they still closed? PLSreply if you know for sure. Thx.Steve *********
@Carlo ***********
They are closedJD ********
The Thai Lockdown and Border Closing, Severely limiting entry was a Disaster. The Thai Government tried to turn the entirety of Thailand into a Gigantic Hotel Quarantine Room.
The REASON for the huge Covid-19 Breakout in Samut Sakon and thousands of cases emerged was because the Thailand isolation kept Herd Immunity from forming in the Thai population. And the isolation is the reason that Covid-19 is spreading all over Thailand from the explosive Migrant Outbreak.
The REASON for the huge Covid-19 Breakout in Samut Sakon and thousands of cases emerged was because the Thailand isolation kept Herd Immunity from forming in the Thai population. And the isolation is the reason that Covid-19 is spreading all over Thailand from the explosive Migrant Outbreak.
Terary **********
I don't know. Current regulations are similar the past regulations that seem to have worked. I think the Thais know what they are doing.
Good to know about Columbia. My second choice destination was central/south America. Good luck to you.
Good to know about Columbia. My second choice destination was central/south America. Good luck to you.
Ryan **********
Columbia is on lockdown down
Your allowed out an hour and a half ever other day
Your allowed out an hour and a half ever other day
Brad *******
Joseph Soto, this encapsulates me feelings at present.
Lance *********
British Columbia ? Or the country Colombia?... being able to spell the country properly might help when searching for a flight...
Ricky *********
OP@Lance ********
Ha! No buddy, this place is decimated. In NYC, social life is all there is! Btw, I regret making that statement about Vancouver. Only Canadians are allowed, and I'm not Canadian (I was born & raised in Toronto.- get it?). Thx Lance *********
@Carlo ***********
I’d imagine anywhere you are would be complete hell.. enjoy 😉 Ricky *********
OP@Lance ********
Yes, I always gets that wrong. Hoping on a plane expecting to land in ColOmbia and ending in a hell-hole like Vancouver would indeed be truly be disappointing. I'll be careful.
Rima ****************
NYC proven lockdowns dosent work? Thailand Lockdown in March and after that was no infections as Thailand could contain it. If you do it early and properly like Thailand then yes, it works. Mask, checkpoints, fevers, sanitize everything never seen a country sanitize like Thailand, SMH to the rest! Restrict boarders with quarantine...
Ricky *********
OP@Jay ****
Yes, but there were a lot of rebels! Worse, many 'non-rebels' thought they were complying, but let their guard down just once in a while. Anyway, I wish I never brought up Lockdowns, we are powerless anyway. Ricky *********
OP@Jay ****
Good morning, Jay. 1. Not qualified to give you life advice, but I think I'm older than you, so I will anyway: "Life is Short & NYC is not the place for SocialPeople/Freespirits). 2. But I am qualified to give you advice on the New York Thai Consulate. I am preparing a post explaining after I check with my attorney. Don't do anything until you read what I have to say. As a fellow NY'er, you can PM me w/questions. Good Luck.Ricky *********
OP@Rima ***************
1. No. I was in Thailand at the time: lockdowns started on March 29th -my departure date. When I arrived NYC - everything had been closed for weeks. 2. Do lockdowns work? Off-topic and an inane subject (inane because we have zero input-zero). But we are here to generate traffic for Zuckenberg, so I'll answer it: some argue that Thailand success was due to closing its borders (as you mentioned). In the USA/Canada, you can still enter without a PCR test and they expect arrivals to religiously follow quarantine rules - which goes against behavioral theory. Nobody has provided another explanation for why we have experienced the most severe lockdowns in the world from March to present yet we still have highest infections rates. But like I said, we have no choice and the Lockdowns, effective or not, make people feel more secure & protect the politicians.Rima ****************
@Carlo ***********
but I'm against lockdowns if it's not Thailand since it worked hereRima ****************
@Carlo ***********
yeah that's what I mean Thais followed it religiously and most farangs followed... As an effect. That's why it worked here, and not in western. It's the people...Ricky *********
OP@Rima ***************
My reply was not very clear. In short, I get it: you are saying.... unless you can do lockdowns properly, they can't possibly work. Our miscommunication was that I am focusing on NYC -where the cops only enforced legal biz lockdowns & ignore the following (this is just an FYI, btw): 1. "Covid Speakeasy's (underground clubs TONS of them in boroughs), private poker dens etc. 2. Personal violations/backyard parties in the boroughs (ie. Bronx, Queens, etc). My old neighborhood of Astoria was rocking' when I was last there in early December. I would have videos it but I would get punched out for sure. So to finally be clear....My complaint (which I shouldn't have mentioned on this board) was that the Mayor knows this. The Governor (idiot Rich Kid -the Italian Trump) knows this. But they still act like it is a solution. Again, I know that they don't know what else to do since there would be riots if 'they' imposed effective lock measures. Yet, small business are dead. Hope I was clearer, and one more time: WE ARE POWERLESS. Its like sayin' "Hey the Vietnamese seem like nice people' during that stupid, f*cking war in the 1960s. Whoa -gotta go Sanford & Son is on. Thx.Rima ****************
@Carlo ***********
I was in lockdown in Thailand the whole time and afterwards was an oasis of Covid free-ness and could live almost normally. I only said the Thai one works and doing it early since when they lockeddown was low in cases and when it was over was 3k confirmed ones. The rest didn't do it properly or to late, since Thai followed I religiously, MASKS, sanitizie EVERYWHERE. I have a feeling the west just tried to not obey anything and that's why it failed. They thought it's bullshit and went against it. I were in both continents. Europe and Thailand. I'm back in Thailand now.Ricky *********
OP@Rima ***************
Yes, I get it now!JD ********
@Rima ***************
The Thai Lockdown and Border Closing, Severely limiting entry was a Disaster. The Thai Government tried to turn the entirety of Thailand into a Gigantic Hotel Quarantine Room.The REASON for the huge Covid-19 Breakout in Samut Sakon and thousands of cases emerged was because the Thailand isolation kept Herd Immunity from forming in the Thai population. And the isolation is the reason that Covid-19 is spreading all over Thailand from the explosive Migrant Outbreak.
Rima ****************
@JD *******
idk if u watch the news but there is no such thing as herd immunity anymore with Covid. It doesn't work. U can be immune for a few months but that trial dosent work since not everyone gets Covid anywas. I was in Europe I went everywhere and after 6 months I had 0 covid, not in blood (immune) or positive test, same with friends and family. Regarding herd immunity, Have u seen my country Sweden? Have u seen UK, it mutated?The new wave in Thailand happend because there was no covid here and they crossed ILLEGALY. I L L E G A L L Y. Not supposed to, not allowed. It's 4500 active confirmed cases as of yesterday.
Ricky *********
OP@JD *******
Interesting point. But they talked about "herd immunity" as a hope for NYC until @ June. Then they realized it 'ain't happenin''. Haven't heard that term since. Please note that I am simply reporting -I do not understand the mechanics of herd immunity. More relevant (& supporting of your point: I read that 'Herd Immunity" doesn't work when you have constant int'l arrivals, like NYC (trust me, screening is a joke -my daughter came from Canada over xmas college break and they didn't even ask her for her test results (not PCR-cheapo drug-store kit). But honestly, it's an inane point: we are truly powerless to change anything. Rima ****************
@Carlo ***********
well that's why it didn't work Carlo, they didn't do a proper lockdown. A lockdown WILL NEVER work if you don't go full on.
Simon *******
Where abouts are you ?
Mark ***********
Colombia has alot going for it. The culture beats Thailand hands down, on a dozen different levels.
Todd *********
@Mark **********
it’s a great alternative for people who can’t get into the cool countries now also. But for people who failed to recognize the incoming storm last March... their choices are now limited 
Jared **********
@Mark **********
I mean that’s pretty relative for everyone, I would take thailand over Colombia 10 times over, but I’m still glad and think it’s worth going there. It’s a great option for people who don’t want to hassle with thailand right now, that’s for sure
Philip *******
Colombia is no Thailand.
Why not consider Mexico over Colombia? Better beaches, better food, good cost of living, and more to offer compared to Colombia.
Keep in mind, Colombia hospitals are overwhelmed and running out of basic supplies — such as oxygen.
Why not consider Mexico over Colombia? Better beaches, better food, good cost of living, and more to offer compared to Colombia.
Keep in mind, Colombia hospitals are overwhelmed and running out of basic supplies — such as oxygen.
Av **********
I love colombia its like thailsnd 20 yrs ago
Av **********
3rd culture kid...daughter of hippies/activists
Av **********
My bff is from Colombia we met in bkk when i was 15
Av **********
@Carlo ***********
lol im scilian new yorker who moved to thailand at 12...35 now :)Ricky *********
OP@Av *********
Strange. I guess even I can be wrong!Av **********
@Carlo ***********
nopeRicky *********
OP@Av *********
Wait a minute....ya know what I think? I think you are Columbian!Av **********
@Carlo ***********
yes it is not a place for first time travelers for sure! Ricky *********
OP@Av *********
Not to worried. I've lived some truly dangerous NYC neighborhoods over the years. You simply develop a sixth sense. I have not carried a gun since middle 1990s. Kidnappers don't worry me because they won't do anything unless they know who you are. Overall, my last & only trip to Colombia (1992 -still a teenager) showed that if someone does drugs or hires sex workers, then they are likely to get hit. But I'm a good boy. So, I ain't too worried. Like you say 'be on guard' which is 2nd nature after 40yrs in this hell of a city.Av **********
@Todd ********
right ! Todd *********
@Av *********
Thailand is now is like Thailand 20 years ago
Falcon *******
agreed! good move.
Jared **********
NYC locked down after it was too late
You shut the barn doors BEFORE the animals get out, not after
Colombia is fun though but a whole different vibe
You shut the barn doors BEFORE the animals get out, not after
Colombia is fun though but a whole different vibe
Ricky *********
OP@Jared *********
1. Naw, its after. Closing the barn door beforehand only makes sense if you value or care about the animals. Almost 90% of NY'ers are poor, living day-to-day & have no voice. I truly & honestly believe that the gov't doesn't care. 2. Vibe. That's the only problem: I love Thailand's vibe. Thx.Jared **********
@Carlo ***********
I’m from MA I saw first hand what happened, there was no lockdown before it was too late. We had a completely incompetent president for this problem. Ricky *********
OP@Jared *********
Lately, I've noticed that my problem is that I've been around a long time. I have little faith in government agencies. They have failed in crisis after crisis. Fire 'em - Hire 'em , whatever! Its really time for me to leave society and make music & cartoons. Thanks for the Colombia advice. Don't worry, I'm a good boy.Jared **********
@Carlo ***********
i agree with most of your points, and plenty of people still fighting minimal safety precautions The US had a Pandemic Response Team, that trump fired in 2018, pretty reasonable that a different president wouldn’t have done the same. He made a bad situation worse, but any president would have still struggled.
I’m in thailand now at least for a few months, but the US is definitely a hot mess.
Colombia is a great country just stay up the news and be smart.
Ricky *********
OP@Jared *********
Honestly dude, there is nobody who hates that Trump bitch more than me NOBODY. But can you imagine what would happen if he employed China's solution to stopping the COVID spread? There would be chaos (& not just in Black areas). Or even Thailand's solution, like telling an American that he has to quarantine Thai style? Out of the question. But nothing else seems to work. There is so much to work with regarding this idiot that there is no need to blame him for inactions that no president would ever do. Doing so might help get you laid at a BLM rally, but it just feeds the pro-Trump people. Anyway, I'm leaving' USA for good...do the best you can up there. Thx.
Kd *********
Go to Colombia to get robded at gun/knife point or your ass getting shot. Nope. Not me. Thailand is better in every way.
Emilio *******
Then Columbian booties though hahahaah
Dónáld ********
@Kd ********
ignorant. It can happen anywhere. Especially in dangerous zones. Kd *********
@Donald *******
oh ignorant my ass. 15 years in Thailand it never happened. 2 weeks i south america and you get robbed 2 times.Dónáld ********
@Kd ********
it is more frequent in South America but still happens in South East Asia. Lucky you 
Michael ********
@Kd ********
you have been there then ?Todd *********
@Mic****
clearly the answer seems to be no. But fear owns people. 🤷♂️Michael ********
@Carlo ***********
Cold here as well. Have a good dayRicky *********
OP@Michael *******
Oh, I get it. Sorry dude. And yes, the best way to keep politics off this board is not to write an essay about it. Its f*cking freezing here & don't want to go outside...so I have nothing to do. I'll be good from now on. Thx!Michael ********
@Carlo ***********
that was a joke about trump as he called me a pervert. Lets please keep politics off the pageRicky *********
OP@Kd ********
Hi, I'm a dad so I'm constantly giving people advice on issues that I am sure about.... UNDERSTAND THIS: people are constantly looking through FB profiles. Some are just casual like Mike @Michael *******
, others are just sales people and then there is the scary category (too huge to list). I have been on FB since day one & earned a great living writing fake news (I stopped of course), I thought I knew all the tricks. But in 2019, while in Koh Tao, I finally visited the Dark Web....I learned that my tricks were a joke compared to the algorithms you can buy right now -cheap & easy to use also.Ricky *********
OP@Michael *******
Hi Mike, I too didn't really like Kd Eryarar comment. But evaluating someone based on whether they are a Trump supported is a little immature. As you get older, you will realize that politics is a game. People voted for an idiot like Trump because they are suffering & don't know what else to do. AfricanAmericans voted for Biden because they don't know what else to do. Its sad that most people easily conform. Perhaps these two easily verifiable points will help you: 1. Trump has never changed his views...ever. And until 2014, he was a valued and accepted member of the Democratic establishment. 2. In 1990s, Dem supporters hated GWBush..blamed him for everything. The Repubs hated Clinton, blamed him for everything. A Dem/Rep in a bar was a dangerous combination...But a quick YouTube search will reveal Bill Clinton & George W. Bush talking about their close friendship (do it man, do it now!!). Get it? Yes? Good! No? You will sooner or later. (Sorry, I'm a writer)Michael ********
@Kd ********
and you never answered question about whether you had been to columbiaMichael ********
@Kd ********
No you made brash unfounded statement was just checking to see if you were trump supporter as wellKd *********
@Michael *******
haha in my profile?? :) anyway are you a sneaky pervert checking people s accounts and following their lives and asses around? Sounds weird my friend :)Michael ********
@Kd ********
its on your profileKd *********
@Michael *******
wow what a sneaky moron :) do you also listen to neighbours house like a sneaky pervert to check what are they doing? And how did you find out that i m from Turkey?? :) what a loser :)
Alexis **********
@Carlo ***********
the fact that you once carried a gun , is so sad and worrying ..you guys have some wiered country and society Ricky *********
OP@Todd ********
Only been there once as teenager a long time ago. I learned this at the time: If someone does drugs or hires sex workers, then he will likely be ripped off & beaten down if he retaliates. As a grownup, I learned that these same people never mention that they were buying drugs or hiring a 14 yr. old for sex, they always leave that part out!Ricky *********
OP@Kd ********
I want to go to Thailand. But not if a lockdown keeps me out of Phuket and stuck in a locked down BKK apt. That was my only point. I know for a fact that if someone does drugs or hires sex workers, then he will get hit for almost for sure. If you don't then its no big deal. I've been a New Yorker since late '80s. So I am used to dudes f*cking with me once in a few times a year....you just get used it (I don't even carry a gun anymore). Enjoy Thailand dude.Michael ********
@Todd ********
Yes and i checked his profile he is from Turkey. I have been robbed in Turkey but never in South America 555
Steve *********
Buena suerte in Colombia! I spent some time there when Uribe was still President. It's a beautiful country with stunning women.
Steve *********
Carlo - F***in' hell, I had no idea. Thanks for the info. I've never wanted to visit the Middle East and now I hate it even more. lol
Ricky *********
OP@Steve ********
Thanks! But man, I had two Colombian gf's in the 1990s. They are too aggressive for me. (I'm a nice, refined Canadian dude (kinda like that Brandon kid on 90dayFiance. Anyway, I can't wait to go, it really does have it all (kinda like Thailand). Thx. 
PJ *****
@Carlo ***********
posso dire , dopo 10 anni a Pattaya che le donne thai possono essere molto agerssive...sono solo lupi vestiti da angellini...Comunque non ho avuto ragazze colombiane X fare il paragone. In bocca al lupo
Ricky *********
OP@Ross *****
1. I have never & never will pay for sex (I don't pass judgement on those who must -"do whatever you need to do if ya can't chat them up -it ain't easy!"). 2. Holy F*ck man....the Middle East? No gawdamn, f*cking way. My roommate in college was Iranian & I went to his wedding in Dubai (or was it Qatar?-whatever) years ago (1999 I think). Couldn't wait to leave! As you know, non-Muslim men must always defer to Muslims. I simply cannot do that. It was a miracle I wasn't arrested. I recently heard that my buddy's family (Iranians who hate Arabs) still talk about me -it was that bad. On day 3, my buddy's cousin was assigned to keep an eye on me & he kept me on his villa by the pool (he had Canadian beer!) My friends who live there fascinate me...sure the money is great- but it can't be worth it. Thanks for the advice though. Wait, "Ross Rowe" ??-I think I met you.....did you move to Ao Nang in early Feb 2020? 
Ross ******
@Carlo ***********
then go to Eastern Europe then not South East AsiaDubai is open now no quarantine and plenty of Russian women
PJ *****
@Carlo ***********
about Russians girls I agree with you...😉Ricky *********
OP@PJ ****
Scusa il mio italiano. Sono di seconda generazione. Non ho esperienza con le donne tailandesi. Non ho mai visitato Bangkok. A Phuket ci sono molte belle donne russe. Grazie!PJ *****
*agnellini
Steve *********
@Carlo ***********
I had the same impression. They're always testing you, forcing the man to be macho. I'm happily stuck in Pattaya; it suits me better. But it's important to have male friends because I need people I can TALK to.
Doreen **********
@Carlo ***********
Brandon is the worst! 🤣
Durrant ********
Thailand are more interested in rich tourists now so you won't be missed..
Ricky *********
OP@Durrant *******
What? How dare you accuse a New Yorker of being poor? Do you not understand how materialistic we are? It's the worst thing you could say to one of us. FYI, my ASQ was at Anantara Pool Villa Resort ($8,000 paid in full). Doesn't that kinda qualify as rich? Actually, you are probably right...they won't miss me: the deposit was 100% non-refundable (I'm not kidding btw, still can't believe I paid it....problem is that NYC detiorates intelligence over time-& I've been there off/on since the late 80s! ). But you are 100% right about Thai's new tourism focus. I have mixed feelings. On one hand, being able to visit a country for a few months should be a fundamental right. Especially since Thailand is so perfect for backpacking. On the other hand, there are a lot of lowlife Farangs who are unwelcome in there own country & used long stay visas to pollute Thailand. But its wrong to block long stay tourist just because some of them are lowlifes. Anyway, I'll be back in April '21...I love Thailand (actually just Phuket, but whatever).
Karim ***************
@Carlo ***********
When was the last time you visited Phuket? Since this whole Covid malarkey began, it’s not at all what you remember it as. The only area that’s tolerable, is Phuket town.... Everywhere else is a ghost town!Karim ***************
@Carlo ***********
I was born Naples (Bacoli) so, I understand that calling of the sea. Yes, Patong is a ghost town. But I was actually referring to all Phuket. I like to do all the adventurous activities as well but, I also like to eat a meal at a nice restaurant or, stay in a nice hotel. Many have shut up shop and are waiting for the return of the Farang. Just be aware of that, ok.Ricky *********
OP@Karim **************
Let me put it this way: I've been to Phuket twice for months at a time: Went to Patong once (ended up punching out some 70 yr old Dutch pervert wierdo-almost got arrested!), never been to Bangla, never been UKexpat capital Rawaii. But I've done lots of mountain biking, kayaking, hiking and most important: swam everyday for 2hrs and chilled on the beach for unknown hours. THE POINT: I really, really wanted to go now because biking is easier & friends tell me that the water has NEVER been as clear! I respect people who enjoy the urban stuff & yes, they should stay away, but it ain't me! Thx (my whole family except me was born in Naples -I wish they never immigrated!) Thx
Darren *******
@Durrant *******
or they don't want to let Covid in en masse like other countries have...
Oliver ********
Obviously if you want to travel during the pandemic it's easier to visit countries that don't care about controlling the virus' spread. What that means for your health and the health of those you interact with on your return is another matter.
Ricky *********
OP@Oliver *******
I am not offended by your remark. I know that there are a lot of young people who couldn't care less if they spread COVID since it only affects old people. As for me specifically: I can't prove to you over FB that I am an extremely empathetic person. I would never put anybody in jeopardy. 2. I don't know you. But I know some people are unduly afraid of COVID & "need" the peace of mind that Lockdowns & travel restrictions provide regardless of their efficacy. Or maybe you are a retired virologist with an extensive background in statistics and Brownian mathematics. But I suspect that we can ALL agree that unless a country is willing to do what China did in Q2 2021...lesser restrictions don't seem to work (based on my town of NYC -most severe, longest lockdowns worldwide, yet highest infection rates. Why not trust that I am a good boy who will use his head! 
เอ็ดเวิร์ด *******
@Carlo ***********
You say it only affects old people. I am sorry you are losing your job as chief statistician in the Trump government....NOT.Oliver ********
@Carlo ***********
mask wearing and real quarantine of the infected or potentially infected (including new arrivals at the border) are the real keys to keeping the virus death numbers down. social distancing is just an added extra protection (although it is adopted as an inferior substitute in western countries where for some reason they don't want to follow the basics that worked so well in the far east). it wasn't my intention to judge you for choosing to travel during this time (i'm not a saint) and sorry if it came across that way, just a reminder to be aware of the potential consequences.
Todd ***********
@Oliver *******
Seems like most in this thread are just thinking about partying and not the realities of the world today.Ricky *********
OP@Todd **********
Ya. I not one of them. But I want to me. Don't you wish you partied every night in your life before COVID?!Todd ***********
Columbia has one of the highest rates of covid in the world... much higher than in the USA.
Mark ***********
@Todd **********
total nonsense. The US has a comparable rate of deaths per capita, over 8x the number of total deaths, 13x the total number of cases, and a 30% higher number of deaths per million. And the US is reputed to have food health care. I dispute that contention adamantly. But, Colombia is high, being 11th in the world with nearly 1.8 million cases. Not a proud record at all.
For those of us who are already here, happy to be here in Thailand. Would I jump through the hoops, if I was not here. Likely not. Thailand IS NOT the center of the known universe.
Ricky *********
OP@Todd **********
HI Todd, nice to hear from you again. I am one of those "ScArY Asymptomatic people that the world fears. I have never had a cold or flu in my life (mom was same way). So, COVID & other avian/swine agents don't scare me. Plus, everywhere has much higher COVID than Thailand. Thx.
Anton ******
Todd *********
@Todd **********
lol. Wrong Todd ***********
@Todd ********
check for yourself...***********************************************************************************************
Todd *********
@Michael *******
dude is whack lol. Todd *********
@To**
i did. Thanks for proving my point 
Michael ********
@Todd **********
you know this link just proves you wrong, right.?
Andy *********
Yes. We were getting everything lined up for Thai OA visas. This latest lock down has put a stop to our plans as well. Maybe in 2-4 months.
Braulio *********
I don’t feel your comment is negative. With the ASQ, COE, Fit to Fly, RT-PCR requirements combined with the recent outbreak of Covid infections it does not make sense to visit now. Exercise patience , get a vaccine and plan a trip under better circumstances
Lars *****************
It’s lockdown in Bogota now, my girlfriend in Columbia told me today when i spoke to her😰
Ricky *********
OP@Lars ****************
Hi, Yes I heard. But I am not looking for a "no-lockdown fantasy land". I simply want to get out of NYC's severe, no-end-in-sight lockdown. I can handle Colombia's version, no problem. The Thai version scares me only because I could be trapped in BKK (which I hate) & unable to get to Phuket (which I love). Thx for info.
Danielle ********************
*Colombia
Alison ********
PERFECTLY said!
Ricky *********
OP@Alison **********
Really? Thx! Surprising since I was f*cked up on ganga/alcohol when I wrote it. I'm a full time writer, maybe I should do it more often.Alison ********
@Carlo ***********
really! It’s exactly how I feel. You nailed itRicky *********
OP@Alison **********
I will consider telling you the full story. I writing it now to send it to my best buddy Phil since my kids & friendsvdon't care about what my daughter calls "Your Tropical Troubles" Its a tragic tale, you'll cry for sure. Thx.
Gene **********
Everyone starting to go to Mexico from USA! Now Mexico’s numbers are spiking!
I am with Carlo! Psychologically broken not being able to travel
I am with Carlo! Psychologically broken not being able to travel
Ricky *********
OP@Gene *********
What? You must fight on! Nothing will stop me. Here's an example: did I mention that the NY Thai Consulate lost my Cdn. passport & green card? Didn't bother me a bit. I'll apply for a new one on Monday and be in Colombia on Jan 18.Todd *********
@Ge**
Americans have wisely been jumping the ship for many years now. The mexican govt greatest immigration problem is the deluge of american retirees. Ricky *********
OP@Todd ********
Question About Mexico: When a fellow Canadian told me that Canada was #5 on the list of "World's Easiest Countries to Emigrate to" I had to verify it & while doing so, I was shocked to see Mexico was #1. I asked a Mexican dude I know & he says they want USA/Euro cash BIG TIME. But I don't know anything about Mexico & just took his word for it. If you have a moment can you please tell me what problems they are having with American retirees. Very curious.Ricky *********
OP@Todd ********
So its cultural. I can totally see that, I thought it was financial. Look forward to reading the article. Thx.Todd *********
@Ca***
what I’m referring to is that there has been a large influx of American retirees (baby boomers especially) creating a good sized ripple in some expat towns. There are many, many expats in Mexico and it is very simple to retire there. (I am permanent resident there and retiree here in Thailand -at least for Covid) but shift often and spend summers in Europe. I don’t think it’s really a huge ‘problem’ but it shifts the character of their culture. I met an older Mexican lady a few years from Ajijic who had moved from her lifetime hometown because ‘too many Canadians’ had arrived. 🤷♂️ this article is old but explains the ongoing issue**********************************************************************************************************************
*******
/21/mexico-has-its-own-immigration-problem-american-retirees/Ricky *********
OP@Todd ********
Yes, everybody with a decent bank account is leaving Canada & USA once their kids get into college. The cost of living is ridiculous. Canada is nationwide nightmare. In USA: years ago, NYC was the only ridiculously expensive place. Now its expensive everywhere: Seattle, LA, Boston, Atlanta -not worth it. Florida was kinda Ok prior to COVID, but all the rich people left NYC during the lockdown and now its f*cking expensive. Zero hotel rooms avail. Please stand by for an unrelated question:Todd *********
@Ca***
agreed really. They leave Canada and USA for higher quality of life. And if the investments can sustain you, would be difficult to justify the absurd cost of living there. I left Canada for food almost 8 years ago. Tried Arizona initially, but has its own issues. Many Wonderful alternatives out there for sureGene **********
Thanks for your post! My heart is also with Thailand! I looked at Colombia 2 months ago. Still seemed a little hassle at that time! I def will take another look! Would love to visit!
Ricky *********
OP@Gene *********
I also looked at it 3 months ago & felt the same way. Then Thailand opened for O visas & I forgot about Colombia. A good info site is Medellinguru.com (for general info, even if you are a beach/Cartegena dude.) I can report that there is no quarantine if you have a PCR test. If you don't you have to be quarantined until PCR tests come back (@3days) -but its way better to get it before you leave. The 90 day visas are no problem. The only problem now is finding a reasonable priced short stay apt. Its not as booked up as Florida, but its close. Good Luck.
Adrian ********
Feeling sorry for all thai people so many will loose everything
Todd *********
@Adr***
luckily they are smart, innovative and hard working. And have adapted fast Darren *******
@Todd ********
alas those outside of Thailand don't appreciate this and think they're all going to die...Todd *********
@Dar***
that seems very true. People will be stunned to learn their money has less value than they perceive. Especially for societies whose sole focus is the relentless pursuit of 'more'.
Pascal ********
Better you stay where you are as you will not be happy with some of the restriction we have here. New York?? the nest of ........
Ricky *********
OP@Pascal *******
Yes, well put "New York?? the nest of...." You can add a lot of nasty groups in that space!Since March it is truly hell-we have the most extreme lockdowns measure anywhere in the world (except for China of course). Worse, everyone knows they ain't workin' but there is no end in sight. The only city I have ever loved is unrecognizable. Anyway, you are right: if I am trapped in BKK & unable to make it Phuket, I definitely won't be happy. Thx.
Daniel *********
You are not negative what you are is Factual
I love Thailand too but these type of restrictions and Isolate 14 days when I come to Australia too much to bear!
I love Thailand too but these type of restrictions and Isolate 14 days when I come to Australia too much to bear!
Ricky *********
OP@Daniel ********
Hi, I can definitely understand why people are dissuaded by the ASQ. But I have no problem with ASQ: I paid in full for a One Bedroom Pool Villa with 100% free access to private pool & patio (Anantara). My Thai buddy was even going to stash a 2week supply of ganja in it for me. So I was really looking forward to it! The problem is that Qatar cancelled all flights into Phuket (bast*rds) & I am scared of being trapped in BKK if they block travel to Phuket like the did earlier in the year. And I am a Phuket lover, BKK hater. Anyway, at least you live in Australia which is an awesome place. ThxDaniel *********
@Carlo ***********
Ok yeah we are so lucky even if they lock you down with 6 or 7 cases , Re- Thailand its hard not to go but we need to be Patient
Reiner *********
Recognized as one of the best countries by the Who ....not understand what you question
Stéfan ********
@Reiner ********
too many restrictions for visas, problems with flights and expensive quarantine. Unless you have wife/girlfriend/family/job, Thailand is a pain.Reiner *********
Their are so many easy visas for thailand ...just have a look what fits to your ideas their is NO restrictions to come to thailand
Ricky *********
OP@Reiner ********
I don't have a question. I am simply warning Phuket lovers that now is not the time: Mymessage is that: you can get into Thailand, do your ASQ and then be stuck in Bangkok if they prohibit travel to Phuket (like they did last time). For dudes that love Bangkok -sure, go why not? But there are lots of Thai lovers who can't understand why people go to Bangkok in normal times (I don't pay for sex, btw) -especially if its locked down. That's all I was trying to say. Btw, I thought getting a visa would be easy...but the NY Thai consulate lost my Cdn passport & US Greencard...even though I sent it UPS & the tracking # showed it was delivered. A quick FB search showed that I am not the only (you can check if you care). Thx.Carrie ********
@Reiner ********
the restrictions.. unless you're of age to go for a retirement visa...??? thoughts?Reiner *********
@Carrie *******
you have no clue what you are talking about 
Josh ***********
How does Cambodia / Philippines look in comparison to Thailand for short term tourism ?
Stéfan ********
@Josh **********
no tourist visas are given at the moment in Cambodia and everyone must quarantine.Todd *********
@Jo**
same. It’s not happening. SE Asia is locked downGarrett ***********
@Jo**
Philippines is closed like Vietnam. Not sure about Cambodia 
Jaye ********
I think they are implementing lockdown to plan for the vaccination ceremony that starts next month.
Ricky *********
OP@Jaye *******
There is going to be a ceremony? Probably will be. We did one in NYC on Dec 22 I think, but few vaccinations since (huge controversy here, but luckily for Cuomo/deBlasio, the Washington riots overshadowed it)Todd *********
American has proven stupidity and inactions don’t work Carlo. That’s all the world sees.
The decision time to be in Thailand was Mid-March 2020. Pandemic was closing in fast and of one failed to recognize the gravity of the situation, they likely failed to act.
Mexico and Colombia remain good options for inexpensive, fun places with far less restrictions for entry in place. Good luck. 2021 is likely to look much the same as it does now for entry to Thailand
The decision time to be in Thailand was Mid-March 2020. Pandemic was closing in fast and of one failed to recognize the gravity of the situation, they likely failed to act.
Mexico and Colombia remain good options for inexpensive, fun places with far less restrictions for entry in place. Good luck. 2021 is likely to look much the same as it does now for entry to Thailand
Larry ******
Come to Mexico. We're partying like it's 1999.
Ricky *********
OP@Larry *****
That was my other option. But I've never been there and I don't know a soul.Ricky *********
OP@Larry *****
Isn't he that old white dude who had that TV show? I don't watch the news.....Btw, your name is Mr. Love, so you shouldn't either: its 8:30Pm on a Saturday & you are in Mexico: get yourself into a bar! Enjoy! Larry ******
@Carlo ***********
I'm gettin' old. Trying to keep it to once a week. My work is more lucrative on the weekends.
Brendan ********
@Larry *****
1k dead again today, i'd pass 😅Brendan ********
if you're looking for a regular Thailand holiday experience maybe it's not worth it. For me it's perfect, I don't really go to bars etc. I just want a hotel by the sea, thai food, swimming, sun and relax with less people around for a few months.
Ricky *********
OP@Brendan *******
Me too. I agree 100% But here is what I left out (I will change the post, btw-thanks!): I only like Phuket. If I fly/ASQ into BKK, then I run the very real risk of being forced to stay there since they locked out Phuket last time. In hindsight (aka 90 minutes ago) that prospect pushed me over the edge. If I was a Bangkok dude, I would probably still go. ThxRicky *********
OP@Brendan *******
Ya I know. But policy is dynamic in response to changing events. I just can't risk & neither should anyone else who is a Phuket lover. I must add that I am happy that you are promoting Thailand & Phuket. I am disappointed that more people are not. For example, there is no reason why Qatar/Emirates don't stop in Phuket on the way to Bangkok to give people another choice for ASQ. I even wrote a whole article on how Phuket can get at least some short stay tourists (repeat ShortStay-ie 2weeks). When one of my sources for the article (a UK expat Hotelier in Karon) asked "What is the subject for your article?" he responded: "Ha. I can tell you that mate, different groups own the hotels in BKK versus Phuket. And the BKK people dominate Thailand." (I should add that nobody bought the article!) Enjoy the clear water/quiet roads/awesome food & all the little things, buddy. Thx for reading.Todd *********
@Brendan *******
agreed. It’s been an absolutely incredible to be here Carrie ********
@Brendan *******
yes, and good, inexpensive massages!!!Todd *********
@Carrie *******
there always was Carrie ********
@Todd ********
agreed... maybe 2022! let's hope!Todd *********
@Car***
they definitely haven’t lost their skills during Covid. And will be interesting to see what the new norm brings. And seems increasingly unlikely that happens in 2021Carrie ********
@Todd ********
yes...the 2 times I have been, pre covid... look forward to the world returning to ....well...the new norm!Brendan ********
@Carrie *******
if they're open, if not no worries.Carrie ********
@Brendan *******
true!
Derek *********
Thanks Carlo.
Ricky *********
OP@Derek ********
I tired man, trust me I tried. I did everything..insurance, ASQ paid in full, correct flight..everything. Plus, I didn't even bring up the fact that the NY Thai consulate lost my Canadian passport & green card -that will be in my next post!Derek *********
@Carlo ***********
Please let me know more about Columbia, please and thank you. Derek *********
@Carlo ***********
I understand too well. Best of luck getting your important documents back. Good luck to you. 
Milo ****
Colombia is a great alternative right now. It's an awesome country anyway. The only downsides when compared to Thailand are rampant crime and less important, mediocre food
Milo ****
Don't play defense! Don't act tough! If it happens, cooperate and be grateful you made it alive
Ricky *********
OP@Milo ***
Yes, way more than Thailand. But I'm a New York'er! I am accustomed to dudes testing me once in a while. I I know Euro's think NYC is safe, but they only go to Manhattan (which isn't really NY anymore). The boroughs are as bad as ever..most crime isn't even reported. Btw, my Colombian buddy in NY told me where to get a gun in Cartegena -I said "No way, I always play defense on foreign turf. Thx for info.Milo ****
Safety could be an issue. Food is just ok, but nothing like here
David *********
@Milo ***
yes I was wondering about this need to be safe and good food
Peter ***********
If it wasn't for my beautiful caring wife & family of 11 years... I wouldn't be here.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
Anne ********
@Peter **********
Out of interest, where would you be?Peter ***********
@Anne *******
honestly at this moment in time i don't know Carrie ********
who knows if lockdowns will be done by April anyway? I don't think so. Not to be negative either...
Steen **********
@Carrie *******
not Open in This year Maby 2022Rima ****************
So Thailand lockdown 2020 March untill mid /end May :) now same numbers. I think 2 months. I'm going by statistics. So why wouldn't it be done in 4 months? If Thailand knows how to lockdown and do measurements cuz seems to me only Thailand follows them!
I think Thailand will be back to normal in March
Just like last lockdown
I think Thailand will be back to normal in March
Just like last lockdown
Steen **********
@Rima ***************
Yes 2022Rima ****************
@Steen *********
she was mentioning lockdown not a quarantine for arrivals. 2 different things. That will happen when Covid is safe. Is all about using the right words!! It's not so hard😜Carrie ********
@Rima ***************
that'd be great, until they open up again!Rima ****************
@Carrie *******
are u talking about Thai lockdown or allowing people in without quarantine?? It's 2 different things. Allowing people in without quarantine won't happen untill it's all safe with CovidRicky *********
OP@Carrie *******
I am starting to accept that you are right. For Free Spirits/Social People, Lockdowns are hell. But for a lot of people its not that big of a change: people have been addicted to screens for years, people use Amazon & not retail stores, etc. Also, OCD/Anxiety disorder people love 'em (tons in my family!) So, politicians will continue to snap into lockdowns. Dang.... 
Paul *****************
@Carrie *******
this Year Lockdown Not finit. Thailand covid up now Schools Restaurants Ferry Begin closing. Red Section everywhere. For normal Tourist without Qurantäne maybee begin 2022 again. So sad Situation now.
Carrie ********
@Paul ****************
yes, I just saw a school at which I contemplated applying to teach is currently closed due to covid...
Nick ****
Colombia, not columbia. Also I have some friends who are currently there and they are saying it's not a good time to go there now as a tourists. They have major restrictions including pico y cedula meaning you can only go to shops etc on odd or even days depending on if you license or passport number ends with an odd or even number.
Ricky *********
OP@Nick *****
Hi, I always misspell that and I'm a writer. And I had a Colombian girlfriend?!? Anyway, I hear ya. But I am not looking for a paradise...I just want to get the F*ck out of NYC. I don't think people outside of New York realize how severe the restrictions are here. The city I love is dead, maybe I'll send you a video. Thx for the info.
Massimo ************
@Nick *****
absolutely right,I live in Cartagena and we are going through though time not a good time to travel here for sure.Garrett ***********
@Ni**
Pico y Cedula only applies to supermarkets, shopping malls, and banks. It does not apply to restaurants, parks, our tourist attractions like museums. In my opinion it's one of the best times to go traveling because there's hardly anyone else around. All locals. 
Paul ********
Im in Thailand now after doing asq. I think you have made the right decision.
Danny *******
I've never understood why people were busting their butts to come here except when there was family involved. There are just too many other places like Columbia to vacation.
Ricky *********
OP@Danny ******
I'm a great person to answer that: "I do not know" My boys in the Caribbean have been telling me for months: "Go to Mexico/Columbia" Why didn't I listen?...All I can say is that NYC is no place for a cool dude & 9 months of severe lockdown has affected me psychologically (100% serious). So, maybe the answer is that f*cked up people can't always think straight. I'm so happy I came to my senses (the NY Thai Consulate losing my passport was the trigger...details on my next post. Thx
Reiner *********
Well....it seams you not understand what a lockdown is....as you have been here , you should no you could and can go to buy everything , go in restaurants or to the beach.....well ...yesterday 212 new infections .....and Columbia ?
Garrett ***********
@Rei***
And? How many people died yesterday from car accidents?Lau ************
@Garrett **********
definitely the road fatality cases need to be prioritized as well. But fatality rate for covid is a concern when it comes in big scale, further more it will occupy all medical resources availableLately my home country Malaysia not doing well, the lockdown gone since last Sep, even though the international travel still a ban but domestic travel allowed. End up right now we have consecutive 30 days with 4 digits new cases. Next week will lockdown again.
Reiner *********
@Garrett **********
well thanx ...what does this have to do with the virus or lockdown.....dream whatever you think ...it seams you have no clue what’s going onRicky *********
OP@Lau ***********
1. I'm asympto..I have honestly never, ever had even a cold in my life (my mom is same way). Plus, COVID is EVERYWHERE..its just that since most people only get a running nose, nobody notices. Not happy, I'd rather be in Thailand!Garrett ***********
@L**
Colombia's lockdowns aren't ridiculous though like Thailands. Bogota is currently in a 4 days lockdown, bars are closed and people are encouraged to stay inside. Police and military are in the streets, but you can still go get take out and travel anywhere in the country. Reiner *********
@Garrett **********
well it seams to be you not understand the reason of a lockdown....we did not have a total lockdown here in thailand as you should know....now. Only the very high risk areas are locked to conserve the virus ...and it works ...... but as an American i understand that freedom is more important than health of all ...as we have seen just some days agoRicky *********
OP@Reiner ********
Whoa. I thought you were German. I don't get your point since NYC has had the world most extreme lockdown for the longest time, yet we have the highest infection rate in the world. But 'whatever', I'm 50 yrs old...time for me to leave society to focus on my music & artwork along with banging' welfare moms..
Erik *******
@Reiner ********
Not so free. I planned to go to Phuket from Bangkok next week and now I cannot !!! Unless I do a 14 days strict quarantine at hotel when I arrive !!!Reiner *********
@Peter *****
wrong ...this is a fake news.....only 2 small areas are locked down.....some others have strong restrictions but the rest of thailand ......is free
Seán ********
Months? What you on about haha. Thailand is in semi lock down since last week. Before that the last lockdown was back when all this started at the start of the 2020.
Garrett ***********
@Rei***
Thailand's been locked down for how many months? How's that worked out so far?Paul *****************
@Lau ***********
oh Lock down comming soon toGarrett ***********
I've been in Colombia since November. The cost of living here is surprisingly cheaper than Thailand, the weather is better, and the nature is something else. 90 day visa exempt, that can be extended for another 90 days for $50 online. Very simple, very welcoming.
Mustafa ******
Medellin was my favorite. Cartegena is a party/vacation city so I wouldn't recommend staying there for long periods of time.
Ralph ************
Even former crime ridden Medellin is nicer....
Ralph ************
There are much nicer places in Colombia than Bogota. Cali for example.
Pip ************
@Garrett **********
What about the female action are there girlie bars and how do they compare with Thailand? Paul *****************
@Garrett **********
sounds better than Thailand. Ricky *********
OP@Paul ****************
No. I had a Columbian girlfriend when I was younger. I went there and the people aren't as nice as in Thailand -not even close. Dudes are as aggressive as the Caribbean dudes-not cool. Stick with Thailand!Ricky *********
OP@Garrett **********
I think walking around with a pretty Columbian girl was an issue. Plus it was back in the early 1990s. Not worried at all, like I said I'm a New Yorker. FYI, of all the places I've been, Kingston, Jamaica was the only place I felt 100% on guard. I was working as a diver there for 4 months, so it got really tedious after a while. ...but that was in early 1990s also.Paul *****************
@Carlo ***********
i wait until Situation better and travel Thailand again when Quarantäne free. Since 20 Years Holiday 6 weeks Every Year. Miss Thailand and the Freindly Peoples there. Number One in World. Garrett ***********
@Ca***
Maybe it depends where you are. I'm in Bogota and haven't had any issues with anyone. There are lots of homeless around, but never met anyone aggressive or rude. 
Robert *********
I think until just recently, the majority of people trying to get here were returning to families or GF they hadn't seen for a year. I agree with you - I live here and operate a restaurant so I need people here - but for general short term tourism with no long-term plans, I wouldn't be rushing here right now. Give it another 3 months or so.
Ricky *********
OP@Robert ********
Thanks Robert. But I ain't no tourist I applied for a RT visa & was/am planning to stay for years & use Thailand as my base. All we can hope for is a miracle -hang in there, bud. ThxPaul *****************
See you in April 2022. This Year all no good for Tourist travel Thailand without Qurantäne Sure.
I not travel Thailand until Situation better and no Pay 15 Days Jail Qurantäne in Bangkok Control at Government pay Big Money lose Time to.
I not travel Thailand until Situation better and no Pay 15 Days Jail Qurantäne in Bangkok Control at Government pay Big Money lose Time to.
Ricky *********
OP@Paul ****************
I'll be there in '22, trust me. As an FYI, I paid in full for ASQ-no refund! (I always admit doing idiot actions -it helps me cope!) Thx
Benjamin ******
Great advice. Thailand isn't open to general tourists right now
Ricky *********
OP@Benjamin *****
But I'm not. I got a retirement visa! Definitely, definitely not open for general tourists! Thx.Activity
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