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Can I apply for the DTV visa through the Hanoi consulate after attending a cooking class in Thailand?

Mark *********
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Hi all,

I've read a lot of posts regarding the DTV and I just want to clarify something as it seems a little too easy.

I can exit Thailand to say Hanoi, book a cookery class in Thailand, apply for the DTV through the Hanoi consulate online as long as I show them my entry stamp, then I can get a 5 year multi entry visa?

It can't be that easy could it?

If anyone can say I'm talking nonsense, then please put me right 😄
Answer summary
The post discusses the feasibility of applying for a Digital Tourism Visa (DTV) at the Vietnamese consulate in Hanoi after attending a cooking class in Thailand. While some believe the process is simple, there are varied opinions on necessary documentation and embassy requirements, such as proof of funds and class attendance details. Therefore, while it might appear straightforward in theory, practical experiences may vary depending on individual embassy protocols and specific visa rules.
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Mark *********
Mark *********
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All, if anybody gasnt seen this its a great interview

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Alfred *****
Alfred *****
@Mark ********
yup this video cleared up lots of questions
Zoe ******
Zoe ******
Someone said you have to show proof of residency like a lease or utility bill from the county you reside in.
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
@Zoe *****
That is for the online application. Nonresidents can apply in person in Hanoi, Vientiane, Phomn Penn. Entry stamp in the passport used to show residency.
Bob **********
Bob **********
I’ve read posts that said cooking and boxing are excluded ???
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
Bob D'Andrea Each embassy has their own Interpretation of the cultural activities and length of time acceptable. Contact the embassy you will apply from to see if cooking and boxing are ok
Maxim ***********
Maxim ***********
@Mark ********
Yes, and even tho it appear too easy, it's been this easy forever in most other SEA countries. For example, in Cambodia, it's very easy to work as a foreigner and get 12 months extension every year. Vietnam is also easy. But Thailand was lagging behind.
Graham *******
Graham *******
So little is understood about this visa. "look before you leap, still waters run deep"!
Alfred *****
Alfred *****
@Graham ******
Retired Working 4 U just did a video in which the Thai foreign affairs person met with Chris and explained in detail about DTV
Graham *******
Graham *******
I think u need the 500k, I can see a lot of opportunity for fraud with booking some kind of course. take care.
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Graham ******
for the $500k, have bank of mom and dad transfer the money in for a day and that’s it. Crazy
Andy **********
Andy **********
@Todd ********
The objective of this new tourist visa is to increase tourist spend (forget the guff about investment). They'll soon know if it's working, rather than giving a way for tourists with no money to live on the cheap.
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Andy *********
the system in this case definitely seems primed to be gamed. But I’m sure Thai immigration is well aware. If there is an easier, more lenient, less expensive long term visa on earth… I haven’t seen it.

Bright minds will pack up their job in the west overnight. Why stay and overpay for lower quality of life if you are making good money. And yes, it’s a great way to game the income tax in their home country also. Win-win. The gates are wide open now
Graham *******
Graham *******
@Andy *********
they will scrap it, crazy idea
Andy **********
Andy **********
@Todd ********
It should do, but on this group, I have seen lots of questions about how people can game the system wit fake bank balances, fake jobs, or signing up to ridiculous cookery courses. You say stealing bright minds from western nations. They are not. None of these so called bright minds will benefit Thai industry, because if they do, we'll they need a work permit for that. The revenue generated by the bright minds will go to the western nation, essentially at Thailands expense. It's almost Colonial, where British people worked in India, but hardly really for the betterment of India. I suspect many of these dtv holders will work to make sure they never pay a baht in Thai income tax. One result of an IT contractor living for less money in a developing country, is that he/she will undercut someone going for the same gig, but who wants his kids to have a decent education and not being afraid of being made destitute due to illness. And expats are not immigrants. See loads of them in the Middle East, 30, 40 years living in Kuwait, but never a Kuwaiti. I wouldn't be surprised if Thailand imposes quotas like they do for work permits. And there will always be a lingering suspicion that some DTV holders are taking work away from Thais, unless the government starts actively monitoring the activities of these foreigners.
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Andy *********
it should assist with tourist spend and really take advantage of stealing bright minds from western nations with the allure of a much better lifestyle and lower costs. A five year 'residency' visa will also facilitate a wave of long term immigration... I think. And yes, we shall know soon enough how well it working. I think Thailand is dramatically undermarketing a superb visa in the global picture
Chris *****
Chris *****
@Graham ******
fraud galore. So easy to make all that’s needed.
Mark *********
Mark *********
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@Graham ******
thanks, will do.
Mark *********
Mark *********
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BELOW WAS THE POST I READ FROM A LADY WHO HAS DONE SOME DIGGING.

DTV Application Embassy Hanoi:

Got an email with the answers to my questions. I own a company so didn't ask how it works with employment contracts. I also did NOT ask about the funds because thats obvious to me how to proof that.

1. Visa processing time approx. 3 working days

2. notarised company registration papers as proof of work

3. document that shows booked doctor appointment

(asked about soft power as well)

4. visa stamp in passport accepted as proof of location

If anyone applies in the next weeks or months, I'd love to hear how it went. Planning on going to Hanoi mid November.

Cheers ☺️
Clare ******************
Clare ******************
@Mark ********
- I’m also keen to find out about Hanoi as due there late August.
Cliff *********
Cliff *********
@Mark ********
what is the doctor appointment for?

Los Angeles embassy does not mention this.
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Cliff ********
not my appointment, copied the post of someone else.
Andreas *********
Andreas *********
@Cliff ********
soft power reason "medical"
Myles *******
Myles *******
U need to show 500k THB in bank account as well I believe
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Myles ******
I've got that in Thailand, but it's my understanding it can also be in any bank, say the UK.
Alfred *****
Alfred *****
@Mark ********
yes , not necessarily to be Thai bank account. Watch , Retired working 4 U , where Chris met with the Thai foreign affairs and clarified most of the queries everyone was having .
Myles *******
Myles *******
@Mark ********
yep I meant to add or equivalent!
Rene ******
Rene ******
Even for regular tourist visa hanoi has/had a lot of requirements. Good luck :)
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
You need to ask the embassy where you want to apply. Some embassies have said you need proof of 3 or 6 months of classes to apply.
Mark *********
Mark *********
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@Brandon ***********
ok Brandon thanks, yeah that's the best approach.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Mark ********
And whatever you will find out... you are more than welcome to post it here... :-)
Chris *******
Chris *******
@Stephan **********
no, once you are issued the visa you are entitled to multientry.

No proofs needed.

IF you apply for an in country extension there may be requirements as to purpose and Financials.

It is not completely known yet but the answers to that are imminent.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Mark ********
Nope... I highly doubt it. I also wouldn't be too surprised if they would cancel it before the first 5 years are over... if too many people try to play the system...
Mark *********
Mark *********
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@Stephan **********
that's what I've been thinking, can't be that easy can it.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Mark ********
Sure... take your time... every little piece of information is helpful.

One of the next big mysteries will be if you have to prove your "soft power" for an extension or even for a reentry. Needed yes/no? I can't imagine that they will accept 5 years cooking classes or doctors appointment... 🤔🙄

But... time will tell...
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Stephan **********
will do, I'm just doing some info gathering at the minute, I travel a lot so maybe look at applying in around 3-4 weeks.
Chris *****
Chris *****
Is it even offered in Hanoi? I can’t find a thing on the website
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
@Chris ****
it is, someone posted about contacting Hanoi Embassy and what is needed to apply in person there.
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Chris ****
just what I've read on a previous post.
Rob *******
Rob *******
Will the soft power activities have to be pre booked for 180 days ?
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Rob ******
no idea, doesn't sound like it from what I've read from other posts.
Rob *******
Rob *******
@Mark ********
i want to do muay thai again but i wont be in the same place for 6 months. unsure what the requirements are
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Rob ******
good to hear.
Rob *******
Rob *******
@Mark ********
nobody gets forced to spar
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Rob ******
yeah I'd like to do that for fitness, just don't want to get punched. 🤣
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
@Rob ******
You have to contact the relevant embassy.They differ in their application criteria.
Frank **********
Frank **********
In theory yes, in practice time will tell since it is still new and up to each individual Embassy.
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Frank *********
thanks Frank
Frank **********
Frank **********
@Mark ********
good luck. Hope it works for you.
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
I think you apply in person in Hanoi with your entry stamp and all the other required docs.
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
@Ma**
Someone posted recently about applying at Hanoi. Takes 3 days to be approved there.
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Andi **********
probably the same post I read. Just seems a bit too easy. You think it's face to face rather than online?
John *******
John *******
@Andi **********
- Not about if you are a resident of the country or not. Instead related to if that Thai embassy in that country uses the e system. I believe none of the embassies in Southeast Asia use the e system, so that would apply even if you a resident of that nearby country. A tourist in USA could use the e-system to apply via the Thai embassy in DC though.
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Andi **********
yeah will do, I'll report back 😊
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
@Mark ********
Yes, that is the normal for non residents applying in Embassies outside of Thailand. I have looked at applying at Laos and it is similar. Online in the country you are resident in outside of Thailand.. You should contact Hanoi for how long the course should be. A day maybe ok or 3 months may be needed
Mark *********
Mark *********
OP
@Andi **********
thanks Andi, I'll maybe investigate further through the Hanoi consulate website

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