What visa options are available for moving to Thailand and starting a business?

Oct 11, 2024
5 days ago
Nadia *********
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Hi all,

this is the first time I'm writing here.

Me and my husband, we're planning to move to Thailand from the UK to start a new life there.

I'm 48 and I'm a Music Therapist and Counselor, but I'm also a bus driver.

My husband is 40, he is a chef but he is disable.

I'm trying to understand what kind of Visa we can get in order to work and live there.

I would like to start my own business as well, but I'm really struggling to understand what I can do to move there.

Thanks to all who kindly will give information aboutšŸ˜Š
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The user and their husband are planning to move to Thailand and are seeking advice on visa options to work and start a business. They express interest in establishing a music therapy practice and face challenges due to their professional backgrounds. Many comments provide various visa options: the Non-Immigrant B Visa for business, the Non-Immigrant O Visa as a dependent, and the possibility of the DTV Visa for remote work. Additionally, they are advised to consider local regulations regarding starting a business, including the need for a Thai partner and capital requirements. Overall, the conversation highlights the complex processes involved in moving and working in Thailand.
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Ƙyvind *************************
Welcome to Cambodia..mutch better
Radius ******************
Cannot work here
Waldi ****
Iā€™m originally from Poland in uk nearly 20 years and I fully understand why.. good luck, I love Thailand and also preparing myself to move there..
Geo ******
Put it off for 9 months and take a course with a diploma at the end of it for teaching English...International schools pay good salaries which go up considerably after a while.

.they also pay for accommodation and set you up with an agent they use on a regular basis...2: international teachers together you can live like kings after around 2 years. starting a business is dodgy.not many make it pay...if you do your customer base should be Thai people there's 66 million of them to sell to..get any idea of a a bar or catering for foreigners...you would be hard pushed to survive
Lisa ************************
Tore *********
Thailand is a place to spend money, to retire etc. In your situation its not realistic.
Nadia *********
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@Tore ********
do you know me?šŸ˜‚
Tom *****
Peut-ĆŖtre faut-il considĆ©rer aussi l'option du Cambodge
Ann ************
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Lee ******
Lee ******
Bryan *******
Welcome, and congratulations on your exciting plans to move to Thailand! Itā€™s wonderful that youā€™re looking to build a new life there, and itā€™s natural to feel a bit overwhelmed by the visa options. Thailand offers several visa types that might fit your needs, depending on your goals for work, business, and your husbandā€™s situation.

First if you havenā€™t already take a year to travel to Thailand and Southeast Asia first to see if itā€™s a right fit.

Here are some visa options and suggestions that may help you both:

1. Non-Immigrant ā€œBā€ Visa (Business Visa)

ā€¢ Who itā€™s for: Entrepreneurs, those wanting to start a business, or those working for a company in Thailand.

ā€¢ What it involves: Since youā€™re interested in starting your own business, the Non-Immigrant ā€œBā€ Visa might be the best option. To qualify, youā€™ll need to either secure a job offer or set up a Thai company. If youā€™re starting a business, youā€™ll need to show that your company is properly registered and meets certain requirements (e.g., employing Thai nationals).

ā€¢ Process: This visa can be applied for at a Thai consulate in the UK. Youā€™ll need business-related documents (proof of company registration, tax ID, etc.) if youā€™re starting your own venture.

2. Non-Immigrant ā€œOā€ Visa (Dependent or Volunteer)

ā€¢ Who itā€™s for: Spouses of Thai nationals, retirees, volunteers, or people supporting a dependent (in your case, possibly your husband).

ā€¢ What it involves: While this visa isnā€™t primarily for business, itā€™s often used by individuals who volunteer or need a visa due to personal circumstances, like caring for a spouse.

ā€¢ Suggestion: If your husband qualifies as disabled and you need to support him, you might be able to explore this visa. You may also be able to volunteer while living in Thailand, which could give you time to explore business opportunities.

3. Non-Immigrant ā€œEDā€ Visa (Education Visa)

ā€¢ Who itā€™s for: People studying Thai language or enrolled in another education program.

ā€¢ What it involves: If either of you wanted to start by learning Thai or another subject, this visa allows you to live in Thailand while enrolled in an educational program. Itā€™s not a work visa but can be useful if youā€™re figuring out your next steps and want to get acquainted with the country.

4. Retirement Visa (ā€œO-Aā€ or ā€œO-Xā€ Visa)

ā€¢ Who itā€™s for: People over 50 who want to retire in Thailand.

ā€¢ What it involves: Since youā€™re close to the qualifying age for a retirement visa (50), this might be an option for you in a few years. You would need to show financial stability (proof of income or savings), and it does not allow you to work, but it could be a long-term option if youā€™re thinking ahead.

5. Smart Visa

ā€¢ Who itā€™s for: Entrepreneurs, specialists, executives, and investors in certain industries (e.g., tech, healthcare, education).

ā€¢ What it involves: The Smart Visa is a newer option that offers long-term stays for people working in targeted industries. If your business aligns with one of these sectors, this could be a good option to explore.

6. Work Permit

ā€¢ If you plan to work as a Music Therapist, Counselor, or even start your own business, youā€™ll also need a Work Permit in addition to your visa. The process involves having a Thai company sponsor your work permit or establishing your own company. Some professions (like in the medical field) may have additional requirements for certification.

Additional Suggestions:

ā€¢ Consider Consulting with a Thai Immigration Lawyer: Starting a business and navigating visas can be complex. A local immigration lawyer could help guide you through the steps, especially regarding setting up a business and understanding the work permit process.

ā€¢ Explore Business Opportunities in Your Field: As a Music Therapist and Counselor, you might find opportunities to start your own practice or work with wellness centers, schools, or even hotels. Thailand has a growing interest in mental health and alternative therapies, which could be an excellent niche for you.

ā€¢ Research Disability Services for Your Husband: If your husband has specific needs due to his disability, researching local support services or organizations in Thailand may help you both settle in comfortably. Some visas take into account the need for medical or personal care.

Important Note:

Itā€™s critical to have all your documentation in order when applying for any visaā€”this includes financial proof, business plans, and letters of support (if applicable). Also, rules can change, so itā€™s a good idea to check the most current regulations through the Thai embassy or consulate.

I hope this gives you a clearer understanding of your options. Wishing you and your husband all the best as you begin this exciting new chapter in Thailand! šŸ˜Š
Nadia *********
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@Bryan ******
the best answer I had from this post. Thank you so muchšŸ˜Š
David *********
If to difficult try Cambodia i changing there from Thailand in March way less hassle and cheaper and 7.5 interest on fixed term deposit in the bank
John *******
@David ********
Cambodia randomly is more expensive
David *********
@John ******
well i invested my savings of $100,000 at 8.75% in a Cambodian bank for 60 months Thailand was 1.5% so i will be living rent free in Cambodia and having lived in the Philippines/Thailand/Vietnam/and Kampot in Cambodia over the last 10 years i can tell you Cambodia is cheaper to live
John *******
@David ********
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John *******
Nadia *********
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@David ********
I will consider it as an option thank you
Mick **********
The reason why most dumb western countries are becoming unaffordable. Its all the insanity. Going woke, going carbon free, going climate change, going population diversity. We are all sheep getting corralled.
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Divya **********
You have limited options here to be honest. And it's really going to be hard finding a job here. With your qualifications, I would advice you to first contact/email the International Schools in Thailand. Show them your resume, past experience, your music work and explain how you can be a good Music teacher or a Music Counselor and how you can benefit the students. Create a good video resume, upload it to youtube and include the video link in your email. And then pray some school would be interested and get back to you.

Your second option is to start your own business as a Music teacher/counselor or open a restaurant where your husband can work as a chef. This route is more risky and might involve a lot of money depending on your business plan/idea. Get in touch with a Thai Lawyer to understand what licenses would you exactly need for your business. Having a prior business experience, I can tell you that just setting up a company and getting work permit and visa would cost you around 150K THB. Then every month around 80K-100K THB as operating expenses not including rent and utility (salary for the 4 Thai people that you need to hire to be eligible for a work permit and visa + Lawyer fees to oversee the account and file taxes).

Another alternative within this second option is to find someone who already has a small business here and become his/her business partner or co-owners of the business via investment and then apply for visa and work permit.

Your third option is to learn some digital/online skills and become a freelancer/digital nomad/remote worker and then get a 5 year DTV visa.

Anyways, it's not gonna be easy and you need to be careful every step of the way. When it comes to money and business, people can be very dishonest and will backstab you with a smile in this land of smiles.

Your fourth option is to wait 2 years until you become 50 years of age and qualify for the retirement visa. But you do need the funds required for the retirement visa. If you don't have the funds, an agent can help but the agent fees will be around 30K-40K THB for 1 year visa. But you cannot legally work on this visa (unless you're working online for foreign clients or have an online business and keep a low profile, it's a grey area).
Tijana ****************
All is possible, but know as mentioned before in the comments that is not easy to find the job. That is the best option, to get employed by Thai company, then they will deal with your visa and rest.

To run your own business/ to open your own company you need 2 mil. Thb capital, and 51% company shares owned by Thai citizen/s. On top of that if you want to employ yourself in your own company by the Thai law, for one foreign employee you need to employ also 4 Thai citizens (good accountant can help with arranging that but that is additional cost: accounting and employeesā€™s taxes and insurance). Also you will need a lawyer to assist with opening the company and add to that work permit cost that is around 60-70k thb if accountant/ agent do it for youā€¦ ( if you do it yourself, is cheeper but absolute hell).

All in all everything is doable, but it costs a lot šŸ˜

Other option is elite visa, not really sure but I think is around 1,5 M thb.

Wish you good luck šŸ¤ž šŸ™‚
Nadia *********
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From a simple request post obviously you can't know what resources a person has, but also very obviously the comments are the most disparate and many even nonsensical... but I thank anyway those who have instead explained and written exactly the information I requested without presupposing anything.ā™„ļø
Bonnie *********
@Nadia ********
Your OP was pretty funny, and it seems you want to move to another country having never visited there.
Nadia *********
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@Bonnie ********
I'm not posting my life but only a question... as we say in Italy, asking is allowed, answering is courtesy... if the post is not interesting or you have nothing constructive to write you can just move onšŸ˜
Bonnie *********
@Nadia ********
Have you visited Thailand is a valid question.

And you could have simply overlooked my question and comment. Funny how that works both ways.
Moon ********
Sounds exciting

All the best on your new journey šŸ‘‹šŸ½
Rosa **************
As a us citizen

Do you need a visa?
Steve ********
Rosa **************
Martin *********
Oh, very nice. Do you speak Thai? ļæ¼
Nadia *********
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@Martin ********
No, but I currently speak 4 languages ā€‹ā€‹and am starting to learn Thai too
Shwe ***
Thailand is welcome everyone,you gonna make it. I would try enter on tourist visa 60 days first, then extent every months for 4 months. during the tourist visa . you gonna learn many things by meeting people or find out by yourself.
Pieter **************
I'm a retired busdriver myself and only thai native can have a thai busdriver license, I tried myself to get one, car and motorcycle is no problem, but no license for bus. Foreigners are not allowed to work as busdriver, it's a protected job for thai citizens only
Phil ***********
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follow lots of these tutorials on youtube. then try your hand at
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making some web sites and doing some freelance projects from home. quit ya jobs, save up 10,000 sterling, get a dtv visa and you have 5 years in Thailand hopefully. Bus / Chef is 100% no, Music Therapist isn't a thing ive heard of here but sounds like u could make a web site to do that online too.
Kevin *******
Open a music therapeutic bar and restaurant ! Job done ! Lose all your savings then go back to old blighty ! Seriously just come for November till march as after that the weather is intolerable ! Good luck !
Nona ********
@Kevin ******
Probably good advice
Andy *******
Itā€™s easy to move there, but they will not let you work the way you want to, write to our Embassy in Bkk.
Braulio *********
A dream that is n ot well considered.....T I T
Denis ********
Thailand is a country for Thai people, they put up with foreigners as long as they spend money there, setting up a business or getting a job there very hard
Molly ******************
@Denis *******
I agree Thailand is protecting itself for Thais but I disagree with you. Entirely about mindset. Many farangs succeed amazingly here. With the right mindset.
Bonnie *********
Have you ever visited Thailand?
Nathan ************
Have you ever visited Thailand before?
Nadia *********
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@Nathan ***********
I will do for 3 months next year for my annual leave, and I will do it again to be sure before to move
Molly ******************
@Nadia ********
Just a thought - if you get 3 months holiday annually and paid well now, why donā€™t you guys stick it out there and stash a good ā€œnest eggā€ of money for nowā€¦ come every year for five years for three months and slowly build the futureā€¦ when youā€™re both 50+, come to Thailand on the retirement visa and then start a business with a Thai you like & trust or offer music lessons for cash for exampleā€¦ there are ways you can go about things ā€œunder the tableā€ or legallyā€¦ Iā€™m not advocating for illegally but thereā€™s always loopholes in Thailand and lawyers to help etcā€¦ šŸ™šŸ™ Definitely spend as much time as you can here before you really take the leap! Good luck! šŸ¤žšŸŒˆ And ignore the rude ppl on your post - you learn to block out the bitter negative ex-pats šŸ˜šŸ˜
Greta *****
You can't do much as foreigner in Thailand, unless you marry a local. Since you are already married that's not an option for you.

And it's " My husband and I" , not "Me and my husband "...
Tore *********
@Greta ****
now explain how ā€œMe and my husbandā€ is incorrect English. Tf lol
Greta *****
@Tore ********
It should be 'My husband and myself" or "My husband and I". Like "The kind and I". Not "Me and the king" but you obviously know better since English is NOT your first language...
Greta *****
@Steve *******
But she might be able to busk as a musician...
Steve ********
hahaha maybe she should stop the whining an look for things to be grateful about in her life. Merely a suggestion.
David **********
@Greta ****
busking is illegal for foreigners!
Greta *****
@David *********
Well it was just a suggestion. I'm running out of them...
Greta *****
@Nadia ********
Not sure what you mean by that but ok...
Tore *********
@Greta ****
you tried to correct her perfectly acceptable English to British English (?)
Greta *****
@Tore ********
See above
Nadia *********
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@Greta ****
sorry, I'm not British... luckily!
Steve ********
@Nadia ********
Luckily? Heads up Thailand really doesn't need more bus drives or chefs.
Nadia *********
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@Steve *******
don't worry, I won't do these jobs, it would be enough to just reread the post a little better and respond with more kindness and empathy instead of being rude and absolute, I'm honest however I didn't expect more than this, someone kindly is providing me with the information I was looking for. I just wonder, if it's so difficult, strange that you are all there, I have many doubts, or many of those who comment do not live in Thailand or it is not as impossible as you say and it's just that as in many other countries, foreigners ruin everything.
Steve ********
@Nadia ********
maybe read your post ripping an entire country and calling the inhabitants lazy before you play your victim card. The country's unemployment rate is 4 %. That's hardly 'all the locals being lazy, is it? I built two businesses before moving overseas and my entire family and friends have never taken a penny from the state. Can you and your disabled husband say the same?
Nadia *********
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@Steve *******
last things.. I speak because I have experienced these things first hand, if you don't know people you should avoid attacking and making offensive jokes or comments that are not constructive and not relevant to the post.
Steve ********
however you try to play it you are a bigot. It's simple. if you class an entire country's population based on an experience with a few people, what would you call it? I had people from a certain Asian country ring me up trying to scam me.What would you say if I loudly proclaimed that every person in that country is a crook and a thief? Anyway I have zero time for whingers and bigots no doubt you will be spouting about the Thais a few months after arriving.
Nadia *********
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@Steve *******
my "disabled" husband is only now taking ADP, after giving for 10 years and being treated really badly at his workplace, where he was also called a bastard and left out in the rain when he asked to go home and was suffering from colic and couldn't even stand up. Now he is taking ADP because he lost his sight and can no longer work. I don't tar everyone with the same brush, but we have only met very bad people, even in hospitals. If you are a worker good for you, you are one of the few who does not live on benefits and lives off those who pay taxes. I also want to point out that I have also accused people who come from my country, and there are many of them, who live on benefits and do nothing from morning to night and on top of that they also receive money from their country of origin without declaring anything either in the UK or in Italy. I hate these kinds of people, I have always hated them and always will. Of course, there are some who deserve benefits, but most of those who do deserve them are usually working their way up to a living without relying on government help.
John *******
@Nadia ********
the two main ways (in my opinion) that foreigners are here are those on retirement visas, which require you to be 50 years and older and now those on DTV, which are remote workers, etc. you then have the teachers.
Annie ************
@Steve *******
she didn't start it. She was merely asking for help and some purist corrected her grammar.
Annie ************
If you have a bachelor's you can teach English.
Darren *********
@Annie ***********
Yes and no. You can get a visa, work permit, and teaching council approval for a limited time - but that's getting harder. You now have to complete and pass the TCT's 7 module program. It's specifically designed to stop people rocking up and teaching without any formal training (TEFL's are something but nowhere near enough) .
Nadia *********
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@Darren ********
no problem, I can't teach English, it's not my main language and I couldn't do it
Darren *********
@Nadia ********
I've done it for several years here, it's hard work šŸ˜‚ check out the requirements for a retirement visa. Basically, you need to keep 800,000 baht in a Thai account for most of the year. *you can dip down to 400,000 baht for some of the year. You CAN keep that money in Euros/pounds/dollars in an international account with one if the Thai banks OR you can show the required monthly income (which is a but of a pain) going into a Thai account for a year. As for your younger spouse - unsure if he could attach himself to your visa (as a spouse) for a retirement visa - this would be my question in your situation. And, details of visa requirements are readily available - you don't need an agent - just a LOT of patience and someone who can speak Thai. Some DO use an agent in-country when they are already here and 'work around' having the required capital for a retirement visa. It's 'legal' but a bit of a grey area - can cause complications later if you go down the proper route.
Joe **********
@Annie ***********
It has to be a bachelor's in education
David **********
@Joe *********
that is just not true, I wish it was but any degree will do.
Annie ************
@Joe *********
nope. All she has to do is get a TESL certificate and her bachelor's in anything.
Joe **********
@Annie ***********
Years ago yes but not anymore I can assure you, we lost some good teachers because of this. If your degree has education on it such as bachelor sports education that is fine otherwise no.
Alan *******
I would try the nearest Thailand.consulate to you initially, they will put you on the right track they are normally very very helpful and the advice will be exactly what you require, good luck
Pranom **********
Hello,

Welcome! Itā€™s great that youā€™re considering moving to Thailand to start a new life. Hereā€™s a breakdown of the visa options and pathways you can explore:

1. Non-Immigrant B Visa (Business Visa) ā€“ This visa is suitable if you plan to work in Thailand, either for an employer or by starting your own business. Since youā€™re interested in opening a business, you would likely apply for this visa. After establishing your company, you can apply for a work permit to legally work.

2. Non-Immigrant O Visa ā€“ This is often used for family members of Thai nationals, but itā€™s also available to retirees or those who are accompanying a spouse. Your husband might qualify for this if he wonā€™t be working initially due to his disability.

3. Retirement Visa ā€“ Since youā€™re 48, you can consider this visa when you turn 50. You need proof of financial stability, such as savings or a monthly pension, to qualify. While this visa doesnā€™t allow work, itā€™s a good long-term option for residency. You can apply for a work permit later if you decide to start a business.

4. Starting a Business ā€“ Thailand welcomes foreign business owners, but the process can be complex. Youā€™ll need to register your business, possibly with a Thai partner holding 51% of the company, depending on the industry. There are specific licenses depending on the type of business, so if youā€™re looking into therapy or counseling, youā€™ll need to check the regulations for those sectors.

Itā€™s best to consult with a Thai legal or visa expert who can guide you through the detailed steps based on your specific plans and situation.

Good luck with your move! Feel free to ask if you have more questions.
Nadia *********
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@Pranom *********
May I ask Retirement Visa at 50 years old? I thought it was as other countries, at 67
Pranom **********
@Nadia ********
yes 50 years old up
Nadia *********
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@Pranom *********
thanksšŸ˜Š
Pranom **********
@Nadia ********
youā€™re welcome ka
Janelle *****
If you hold American passport you can use the treaty of amity
Beverly **********
@Janelle ****
They are from the U.K.
Tony *********
@Beverly *********
thought Nadia said she wasnā€™t British?
Nadia *********
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@Beverly *********
we are from Italy, living in the UK
Beverly **********
@Nadia ********
Okee dokee. So NOT a Yankee.

The Amity Treaty makes this easier for Americans in that respect, starting a business.
Judy **********
Agreed. Too many people think they can move to Thailand and work.

Unless you have a business shared with a Thai local, or your existing employer sets you up in Thailand, you cannot work here, unless it's online.
Brian ********
Thereā€™s a guy on YouTube called Paul Lee, heā€™s very knowledgeable on these kind of questions your asking check him out and reach out to him good luck
David *******
After living in Thailand for 5 years

Starting your own business is probably the only way to go if you have the funds

You will need to open a business where you can get two work permits

Obvious

Open a small bar / restaurant if your husband is a chef
Angelo ***********
If you are really good in Music and like to try: I would try to find a school, e.g. an international school, and become music teacher.

Regarding the other comments: you do not need a lot of money to found a company. They are mixing up registered capital with "upfront costs", yes you need a Thai partner, 51%. Depending on province more than 1 partner.

Yes, one can work as a chef. No idea why the nay sayers are so uninformed. However bus driver is a restricted job. And no: you also can not drive a cab, bolt, gap etc.

Good luck.
Kerry *******
I would contact international schools. Aside from qualified music teachers (for which you would usually need a teaching qualification) most good international schools will have music specialists that offer specialist coaching / tuition for students.
Nadia *********
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@Angelo **********
I've got a degree in piano and I'm a composer with an already published album, my husband has a degree in classical guitar
Angelo ***********
P.S. if you get a work permit, Non B visa, then side hustles are allowed since a few years and you can give private classes to kids or adults.
Darren *********
Take a few holidays here first - travel around and see where you like. Have some fun. When you hit 50, and meet the financial requirements for a retirement visa, then do that. No need for a full on commitment straight off - be smart, figure it out, then get on a retirement visa at a later stage.
Beverly **********
@Darren ********
Solid advice.

Only two years until 50. That's a blink of an eye. In the meantime, visit and then if you fall in love with Thailand, on that visit...prepare, prepare, prepare.
Kate *******
Finding suitable ways to work on-line is the best way to be honest. Then you can get the DTV. Also, if your husband visits the UK once every three months then he can keep his PIP too so that can at least help to cover the cost of trips home to see family.
Nadia *********
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@Kate ******
I don't care about my husband's ADP, If I move to another country I don't see the point in continuing to receive money from another where I no longer pay taxes...
Kate *******
@Nadia ********
thatā€™s up to him and itā€™s a horrible and hard process to go through to get it back once youā€™ve let it go so I would recommend doing a visit back every three months for at least the first year, to keep it until you know for sure the move is working out and is definately still what you want long term.
Tony *********
@Kate ******
why would he get PIP when not living in the UK?
Kate *******
@Tony ********
because heā€™s still a UK citizen and still disabled. Trust me itā€™s a really minor silver lining, donā€™t be one of the people that gets bitter about a disabled person having a small bit of help in life, believe me, weā€™d trade it with you any day!
Tony *********
@Kate ******
Hardly a huge problem in the grand scheme of things. Iā€™m just surprised it can actually be done
Andi ***********
@Kate ******
Well said šŸ‘
Ernesto ********
A lot of red flags.
Ryan ********
Open a hostel and be a chef in there, also hostel bar
Ko *****************
You try to open restaurant and your husband is doing as chef.
Keith *********
@Ko ****************
Start with a large fortune and end up with a small fortune if you are lucky .
Cissi *********
It is hard for foreigners to find jobs in Thailand since a lot of proffessions are reserved for Thai citizens... it is not impossible, but hard.

You need to find a job where the employer handle the documentation needed to get a work permit and support your application for a Non immigrant B visa (you need a job to apply for that).

Another option is to find a job outside Thailand that allows you to work remotely from Thailand (or start your own business working online with non-Thai clients). Then you can apply for a DTV (Destination Thailand Visa).
Angelo ***********
@Cissi ********
That is wrong. There are only roughly 20 restricted jobs. She is Music therapist, so: obviously she can work in that job.

She can not work as bus driver. Thai massage specialist - unless she is a physio therapist - then she can, sculp buddha sculptures, and so on. There is actually a LIST of restricted jobs, which you can google. And list got cut from roughly 35 to about 20: YEARS AGO.

If you are a specialist: you can work in what ever you want. Provided you find a job or make your own company.
Cissi *********
@Angelo **********
so what exactly is wrong about what I wrote?

I didn't write she could not work as a Music Therapist... I wrote that it is hard to find a job as a foreigner. And that she needs to find a job where the employer handle documentation for work permit and support in the Non imm. B visa application.

Btw, I am fully aware of the list of restricted/prohibited jobs and the Alien employment act.
Angelo ***********
@Cissi ********
"since a lot of proffessions are reserved for Thai citizens... " this part is wrong.
Cissi *********
@Angelo **********
ok that is your subjective opinion. I agree that the list of prohibited jobs have been considerably downsized, but there is still a list. I could have used the wording "SOME proffessions" instead.

...and I just chose to mention that list to point out that it isn't "that easy" to find a job as a foreigner in Thailand. I could have mentioned other things such as the minimum monthly salary requirement depending on nationality etc.

The OP is trying to figure out what kind of visa they can get in order to work and live in Thailand and other than using the words "a lot" instead of "some", I think my comment/reply is giving a couple of suggestions to just that -

1. Find a job where the employer supports work permit and documentation to apply for a Non-Imm B visa.

OR

2. Find a job where she/he/they can work remotely from Thailand (a foreign company with non-thai customers) or start their own company to do remote work etc.
Tim *********
Nadia I'm sorry, people are right when they say you can't easily do what you want to do, to live in Thailand. You might find jobs as English teachers if you get a TEFL qualification, but teachers are not well paid here.
Robert ********
@Tim ********
they are over worked as well
Kev *********
@Tim ********
A TEFL qualification on it's own isn't enough to get a legal teaching job. Teachers need a minimum Bachelor degree to work in a government school. You might find a teaching job in a private school but I doubt if you'd get a work permit (with no degree). If the OP or spouse have a degree and get work, the husband/wife may be able to come as a dependent.
Riz *******
Why do you want to leave UK? People pay thousands of pounds to shift to UK.
Stephen *******
N I believe in England all my life I can't wait to get out
Jazmin *******
@Riz ******
uk is cold , everybody is miserablešŸ˜†
Riz *******
@Jazmin ******
šŸ˜‚ Every place has pros and cons. Thai is hot mostly during day time, airconditioning is often needed. UK is more costly for sure than Thailand, but then income in UK is also more than Thai. Massage is super cheap and super good in Thai though ā˜ŗļø
Sarah ******
@Jazmin ******
to be fair ... Summers in the UK can be great šŸ˜ƒ
Christopher *************
@Sarah *****
yes there was one , in one year lol
Elly **********
@Sarah *****
What summer? šŸ˜‚
Jazmin *******
Tony *********
@Jazmin ******
everybody? šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚
Jazmin *******
@Tony ********
well nearly šŸ¤£
Tony *********
@Jazmin ******
it may be cold but itā€™s still great here. Mind you, it can be even better, weather wise, elsewhere šŸ˜‚. Iā€™ll soon find out when I join you over there
Janelle *****
@Riz ******
the food is disgusting
Riz *******
@Janelle ****
I love both British and Thai food. They are very different but unique and tasty in their own rights.
Janelle *****
@Riz ******
but why beans on toast that's just not ok
Riz *******
@Janelle ****
can go for egg with toast or may be noodles with noodles šŸ˜œ
Sarah ******
@Janelle ****
can't argue with that. Totally uninspiring food, everything coated in breadcrumbs or pastry..tasteless stodge!
Stuart ***********
@Sarah *****
utter nonsense.

Let me guess, you think we speak with an accent like 'corr blimey, strike lite maaaaate' too!

You can buy any food in the UK including Thai food in thousands of restaurants and take away places.
Sarah ******
@Stuart **********
thank goodness for all the foreigners and their food otherwise there'd be nothing but chips and baked beans for choice šŸ˜†
Steve ********
@Sarah *****
what a hate-filled racist scrote you are
Sarah ******
@Steve *******
just stating facts šŸ˜
Steve ********
@Sarah *****
So was i about you. Good luck taking your entitled hate-filled rhetoric to the next country you move to.
Stuart ***********
@Janelle ****
uninformed comment, of course it is not.

If you believe the nonsense on the Internet you will think that all British people eat is beans and fried breakfasts!

You can get food from pretty much anywhere in the world in most places.

The food in the UK is good quality with excellent restaurants everywhere. Of course if someone wants trashy food they can find it, the same as the USA.
Annie ************
@Stuart **********
Oprah said it's terrible so she takes her own chef when she goes to the UK. But who listens to her? šŸ¤£
Stuart ***********
@Annie ***********
is she the one involved in the Puff Diddy scandal? Perhaps she's afraid someone might want to poison her for other reasons!
Annie ************
@Stuart **********
hey, you might be right. She was also good friends with Weinstein and Bill Cosby šŸ™„
Janelle *****
@Stuart **********
Iā€™ve seen many interviews with Thai students who went to the uk and theyā€™ve all said the food is horrible
Angelo ***********
@Janelle ****
It is horrible if you can only afford Thai prices or a little bit more.

When I was in 11th grade in High School, we had a relaxed english class with our teacher.

She asked: "What particularly do you like to know about England/UK?"

When it was my turn, I asked: "What do they actually eat there?"

Her answer: "you do not want to know!" "If they can afford it, they eat Indian or Pakistani or Bengal, sometimes Tamil"

That was 1985 or so ...
Christopher *************
@Janelle ****
only because they wanted thai food all the time
Stuart ***********
@Christopher ************
I thought the same thing and Thai food is expensive in the UK, so as students they probably ate horrible low standard food.
Stuart ***********
@Janelle ****
as Tony stated, they went to the wrong places.

There are thousands of authentic Thai restaurants amongst every other type of food available.

I dislike traditional UK food as well as it is bland, so I never really eat it or cook it.
Tony *********
@Janelle ****
theyā€™ve been to the wrong places then.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Riz ******
I have my reasons... one of them is that I'm not British , so it's fine to work, but I'm tired of working and paying taxes to pay benefits to people who don't want to do anything with their lives except live off the government. I left my country some time ago for this reason, hoping that the UK would be better, and instead, in addition to being treated very badly (even worse after Brexit), I am exploited and not valued for what I do.... I think it is a valid reason to leave the UK, despite having an excellent salary and not living badly financially speaking.
Riz *******
@Nadia ********
I can sympathize with you but why do you think that you won't have to pay taxes in Thailand? Quality of life is good in Thailand as it is in UK, same goes for the people. I can say that because I have been to both countries several times. If you don't want to pay taxes and save your income then consider a tax free place like Dubai, Qatar, etc. Perhaps Thailand is better for those foreigners who got good income coming without much work like pensions, investments, etc. Most difficult aspect is the Thai language, don't forget. You will live there for 20 years and still won't be able to talk or write in Thai while most of Thai people can't speak or understand much English.
Angelo ***********
@Riz ******
At the moment she has no income in Thailand. So? Why worried about taxes? And when she has income: she pays a fraction of what she paid in UK.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Riz ******
when did I say I don't want to pay taxes? I just said I don't want to pay benefits to those who don't want to do anythingšŸ¤·
Derek **********
@Nadia ********
In what way are treated worse post Brexit?

Did you get your residency sorted post-Brexit? By that I mean, did you ensure that you have the same rights Pre-Brexit?

(assuming you are an EU citizen).
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Derek *********
I was treated badly because I'm not British, I won't go into details because I don't think it's the case... I've always been in order here in the UK, I have settled status and I respect rules and laws as I would in any country.
Derek **********
@Nadia ********
I am so sorry to hear that.

As a UK national with Premanent Residency in an EU nation pre-Brexit I have not been treated any differently by anyone or any organization government or non-government.

I actually benefited largely from Brexit as if I had not gotten myself under the Withdrawl agreement I'd only be allowed out the country for 2 years before I lose my PR status.

Now I'm allowed out for 5 years and only need to return one day before the 5 year deadline and for only one day.

There is the slight inconvenience of renewing the residency card every 10 years and staying for about a month or three until that is in my hand.

Have you gotten yourself under the Withdrawl Agreement?

N.B As a UK national I am unfamiliar with what settled status means.

Before you jump to Thailand or where ever it is important to consider what your pension rights are both in UK and Italy.

Your work record you could have (hope you did) take with you when you moved from Italy to the UK as it was during the time that the UK was an EU member.

I am unsure if you can take your UK work record and transfer it to Italy post Brexit, but when the UK was in the EU you can take your work record from the UK to any EU member nation and have your work record follow you.

What I'm getting at here is ensuring that you and your husband are not missing any days or rather years worked when it comes to retirement and getting at least government pension.

The UK, for what it is worth has voluntary contribution scheme from which you can pay into while abroad. You can also backdate (backpay) any missing years for a maximum of 10 years.

Although I do hear that is changing (possibly has changed already) to 6 years maximum at a time.

As far as employment goes I certainly know that you can be abroad and employed on a UK contract and pay your tax and contributions to the UK and thus be eligable for a pension from the UK.

Wheather or not you can do that from Thailand I don't know. Many of the UK tour guide and reps in Italy, France, Spain, Turkey, Greece, Portugal etc and live there year round are on UK contracts.

Same with many British long haul truck drivers doing routes in Europe to the UK but living in another country.

Keep an eye on your future pension rights and perhaps sort out any work records, past and present between Italy and the UK and which country has the best pension and conditions* before you leave.

*Retirement age, does Italy give an annual increase for those that reside outside of Italy (The UK gives no rise to pensioners not living in the UK).

You have a lot to think about.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Derek *********
Thanks for your contribution šŸ˜Š In Italy I have never had anything and I have nothing to transfer. I wouldn't take even a cent there, because all the money an Italian may have put aside is taxed and stolen in a thousand different ways thanks to the disgusting government we have and the great ignorance that is rampant among my fellow citizens... In the UK I have already accumulated 10 years of contributions plus private pensions from the various jobs I have done, but I don't know if I will get a pension when I am 67, this is because I am not a British citizen, at the moment I have the same rights but in the future who can ever say? It depends on who runs the government. In Italy I would get the minimum pension, which is possible to transfer to other countries, in the UK I don't know how it works. I have several plans to implement for different situations, in one of these I am also considering taking citizenship and buying a house so I can return without having constraints. With settled status I can be absent for no more than 5 years, if I were to lose it I would have to apply for a visa and I would no longer have any rights.
Derek **********
@Nadia ********
I'm not 100% on this but the UK the minimum contribution period is 10 years which would give the right to it at a pro-rata of the full rate.

I think, emphasis on think, all you need to do is return to the UK for one day every 5 years (before 5 year is up, i.e 1 day less than 5 years) and that resets the clock.

I'm basing that on having read the withdrawl agreement. I certainly know that it applies to me and is correct as I confirmed with the EU directly via their website.

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You are basically in the same situation as I am in regards to maintaining residency status. I go back one day every 5 years just to keep it active.
Lenny *******
@Nadia ********
the grass is not greener on the other side too. Everything depends on us and not the country we live in
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Lenny ******
sure, but why do I have to work to support those who don't want to do anything? Where I live most of the locals are drug addicts and alcoholics, the families are large thanks to fostering which gives money and also allows you to have a house paid for by the council, then there are immigrants like me who work to pay for all this... I didn't do it in Italy and I won't continue to do it here. To clarify however not only the locals, but also my fellow citizens are pretty disgusting here and many even scam... I'm getting sick and it's not good, I want to live my life as I want, I don't take anything for granted, but I'm looking for a place where I can feel better, I know it's difficult to change, I've already done it many times and one more doesn't scare me.
Annie ************
@Nadia ********
girl, I'm rooting for you. Do some indepth research. Go on vacation in Thailand, see how the locals live (don't get tucked into the expat retiree mindset), meet the locals and network. You deserve to explore this dream of yours. Just be prepared.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Annie ***********
of course I will do before to move, I'm planning a travel of 3 months, than probably again for more, I will move when I will be ready to do it.
Sarah ******
@Nadia ********
I happen to share your sentiments 100% . Enough home grown English happy to live off the taxpayers. I think educated foreigners are beginning to see that and quite rightly going elsewhere. šŸ˜‰
Edward ******
@Nadia ********
do you know what the average wages are for Thai people that obviously speak the language fluently. Many earn less than $15 (us) a day. Exactly what special skills do you possess that make you worth significantly more than that?

Iā€™m not rude Iā€™m honest. Iā€™m here as a retiree on a pension. The Thai economy is far from booming actually experiencing deflation.

I think people largely have false expectations as to what they will find here.
Markie ******
@Edward *****
grass is always greener
Lenny *******
@Edward *****
exactly.
Edward ******
@Lenny ******
my wife is Thai and she operates a small restaurant. Itā€™s successful and she owns a nice small home and is sending her son to private college. She even bought a new car. Iā€™m very proud of her but no one Iā€™ve ever known works as hard and I can say with some degree of certainty she earns less than the person planning on coming here does. In another 2 years my wife will be able to retire comfortably and she will definitely have earned it.
Christopher *************
@Nadia ********
and you have been to Thailand before?????
Christopher *************
@Riz ******
uk full of ilegal immigrants
Riz *******
@Christopher ************
May be it is time to let people come there legally, work and pay more taxes for the retired people.
Christopher *************
Markie ******
@Christopher ************
60m people in uk and in 2023 35k people claimed asylum..fortunately they are facts which some want to ignore and some politicians love to get votes.
Christopher *************
@Markie *****
not true
Martin *********
@Riz ******
lol. U mean pay 1000s to get there illegally to claim benefits
Tim *********
@Riz ******
cost of living
John **********
You will both have trouble finding work in Thailand. You can't drive a bus. You're husband can't be a cook. If he's a chef with an international reputation maybe.
Angelo ***********
@John *********
The husband can be a cook. You are silly. He does not cook Thai dishes, but foreign dishes, facepalm. Or do you think the French and Italian restaurants or Indians are Thai cooks?
Janin ******
@Angelo **********
, If they want to cook themselves, still the rule from Thai helpers is obliged. 90% of foreigners who have a restaurant and cook themselves, are employed by companies overseas. (All the big hotels). You write as if it is so easyā€¦.it isnā€™t!
Angelo ***********
@Janin *****
Because I know it is easy. And you don't. E.g. married, requirement for four workers, drops to two, and on request: it drops to one, which is your spouse. So ... plenty of international cooks in their own kitchen: all over Isaan.

Obviously sooner or later they higher some waiters ...

As I said: your half knowledge is completely irrelevant, as the husband does not plan to work as cook, as he is disabled.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Angelo **********
unfortunately or fortunately, it depends on your point of view..., most of the people who comment on my post don't know anything about my life, my resources and my life experience, so I don't worry about them, I'll just keep the information I need and move on with my research and plans. Anyway, just to say, people who work as a bus driver or chef are not just bus driver and chef... fortunately I have a lot of resources to spend on a visa.
Janin ******
@Angelo **********
, I know different restaurants where Thai cooking French, Italian and even Indian cuisineā€¦.
Angelo ***********
@Janin *****
Yes, and? I know plenty foreign cousin restaurants where a foreigner is chef or cook. You are trying to argue about something that is not relevant for anyone here.
Edward ******
@Janin *****
absolutely
John **********
@Angelo **********
big difference between a cook and a chef
Angelo ***********
@John *********
yes and? Nevertheless he can cook.
Andi ***********
You could get the new 5 year visa DTV. Online work only though from non-Thai clients/company.
Jacob ********
@Andi **********
exactly why I'm finishing my BA in data sciencešŸ¤£šŸ¤˜
Andi ***********
@Jacob *******
Good choice!
Christopher *************
@Andi **********
yes drive a bus on line ffs
Brian ****
@Christopher ************
There are drone operators working remotely, why not bus drivers? Think positive!
Phyllis ********
@Christopher ************
yes they possibly could not change ..condemned to life as a bus driver forever.. who knew lol
Angelo ***********
@Christopher ************
Why so angry? Bus driver is a restricted job for Thai. So?
Christopher *************
@Angelo **********
angry ----- see realistic --- alot of you are dreamers ---- seen it all before here ---- carry on know alls
Kate *******
@Christopher ************
you have no interest in helping or doing anything but ridicule. Just move on.
Christopher *************
@Kate ******
Kate shut up ---- all I said was that they need to be realistic , i live in thailand --- seen so many people come and go
Andi ***********
@Christopher ************
obviously they get online work not drive a bus. Dcffs
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Andi **********
I saw the list, maybe I can have a chance as Music Therapist or as Musician, but as freelancer not with a no Thai job contract
Christopher *************
@Nadia ********
you need a work permit --- from a company or start a business etc ,,,
Henrik *****
You need to do it online then, to get the DTV.

Working in Thailand with a workpermit, you also har to get 50.000 Baht in salery.
Andi ***********
@Nadia ********
yes, freelancer working online is a great choice. There are a lot of options available via online work so it is possible. Ignore the naysayers. Look through the threads and you can see many ways freelancers have moved to Thailand with the DTV.
Christopher *************
@Andi **********
look at their post again , chef bus driver etc on line work šŸ¤”
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Christopher ************
look better again...I'm bus driver because I'm not doing my job...
Andi ***********
@Christopher ************
They can retrain. I know cab drivers who have moved to Thailand working online. Do not have to be stuck doing one job for life.DTV is an option.
Christopher *************
@Andi **********
fine --- just go ahead quit the uk and come - ignore information you don't want to listen too šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
Andi ***********
@Christopher ************
I quit the UK years ago for Tokyo and will move 2025 to Thailand with the DTV. Have no idea why you so negative. It is 2024 people have 2 or 3 careers in their life not just one. The OP has skills that can be transferred to an online career.
Christopher *************
@Andi **********
me negative ,,, your dreaming , just making people understand it's not as easy as some of uou suggest it is , ,,,, by the way I worked all over the world haha,,,, but Thailand is not easy ,,,, people have to understand it's not easy for all here
Andi ***********
@Christopher ************
Why not say it is not easy but it is possible?. She knows the difficulties of moving to another country. I never once said it was easy I said she has an option. You seem to be very overly dramatic as well....
Christopher *************
@Andi **********
I have said its not easy read it pal then shut up
Mathew *********
@Christopher ************
After reading your comments, absolutely zero of what you have said is in any way helpful at all, Just a load of negative nonsense, go have a walk or something before you have a stroke or worse
Kate *******
@Mathew ********
a lot of expats say the biggest downside of making the move is the expats like him, sadly there is far too many of them now.
Christopher *************
@Andi **********
yer right AH
David *********
You canā€™t work here, you can open your own business but need to have 51% Thai owners, and have between 5 million baht in reserve
Dylan *********
Jacob ********
@David ********
ya also literally if you work remotely they literally have a 5yr work remotely visa thats not hard to get in Thailand for foreigners..
Braulio *********
@David ********
I think the business needs 51% Thai ownership...and no proxy...
John **********
Sasi ************
@John *********
this is true; Thai partnership must be a majority.
Angelo ***********
@David ********
That is wrong. Up to 5milion signed/registered capital: you need nothing.
Greg ***********
@Angelo **********
for opening a registered company, 2 million baht are required
Angelo ***********
@Greg **********
Up to 5M registered capital no obligation to pay anything into the company. For bigger companies, it is a percentage. But unless you plan to run a shop selling sports cars or yachts, it barely makes sense for a foreigner - oops - alien.
Greg ***********
Angelo ***********
@Greg **********
No. They are REGISTERED capital. Learn the definition of words. You do not have to pay it into the company.
Christopher *************
@Manuel ********
yes but be realistic, their chances of getting a job that pays any sort of realistic salary is very low even if the job is not on the restricted list
Manuel *********
@Christopher ************
also not true. I know plenty of people that have 200k salaries im also earning better here then in the EU
Christopher *************
@Manuel ********
šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
Janin ******
@Manuel ********
, if you know a police man have
*****
and a highly skilled professor in a well known international university earns that is one out of thousands. A friend of mine ā€œsaidā€ he earns 120.000 and I spoke with his boss, who said his salary was far below thatā€¦.donā€™t believe everything you hear ā€¦
Christopher *************
@Manuel ********
and what are these people doing ? Your totally unreasonable
Manuel *********
@Christopher ************
they working in tech it was just an example. But a music therapist sounds (I have no idea what they do) very niece and if it works out can give you a proper salary I guess ? Iā€™m just tired of people stating ā€œyouā€™re never going to get something Blablablaā€ the OP is old enough to not be delusional but itā€™s not impossible as you say.
Christopher *************
@Manuel ********
read my first post ---- alli said was it's difficult and it is ,,
Christopher *************
@Manuel ********
you live in cuckoo land , a bus driver etc or chef getting 200k , it's not going to happen
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Christopher ************
I said what I'm doing in UK, but I didn't say I will do it in Thailand...
David *********
@Nadia ********
2nd line in your introduction : Me and my husband, we're planning to move to Thailand from the UK to start a new life there
Christopher *************
@Nadia ********
well uou won't go from an Astronaut to a train driver will you
Annie ************
@Nadia ********
I don't think your music therapy or bus driver experience will help you in Thailand BUT your holistic therapy experience could be something you can use. Thailand attracts that kind of clientele.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Annie ***********
thanks, I've got a holistic therapy degree as well
Kool *******
@Nadia ********
you need to be licensed in Thailand to do that. Also concerning your husband, any kind of commercial driving, including bus driving, is restricted for Thais only.
Annie ************
@Nadia ********
I think that's a niche you could fill. Maybe take a vacation first for at least a couple of weeks. The problem with a lot of expats here is that they live like tourists. Telling people they need at least $2500 a month to live. That is so not true. Locals live off $300 a month, if that. One could live off $500 - $700 if they live like the locals. That's actually a comfortable amount, especially if you're not into the bar scenes. Good luck to you and your husband.
Angelo ***********
@Annie ***********
And in a small village super easy. You can always relatively easy go to a bigger village for vacation, and live at a cheap place.
Annie ************
@Angelo **********
which small village do you recommend?
Jacob ********
@Annie ***********
2500$ a month is literally living like a king lol
Annie ************
@Jacob *******
right? But that's what they tell people. It's crazy.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Annie ***********
thank you so much
Sarah ******
@Nadia ********
If a qualified counsellor, you could offer that online to clients.
Christopher *************
@Nadia ********
fine good luck , but you will find it hard to be honest as most people that live here know
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Manuel ********
you mean the B visa, right? I need to find a sponsor before to go or is it possible to find a sponsor on site?
Angelo ***********
@Nadia ********
You can find a sponsor on site. But depending on some other rules, you might have to leave the country for a few days, and apply for visa in an embassy outside of Thailand, and then come back. But - most of the time it should be possible now to do it without leaving.
Nadia *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Angelo **********
yes, I read it, after 180 days I can ask for extension or go outside and come back again for other 180 days :)
Chris *******
@Nadia ********
no totally incorrect.

As a tourist your may stay 60 +30 extension

Then you leave and repeat till they stop you.

If you have a non-b visa it would be 90 days then extension of 1 yr , ALL depend on the company you work for.

Wages will be low unless you have a serious career to offer.

Many non-b work will require proof of a degree also.

It can be done within reasonable expectations.

Unless you are financially sound, I would not recommend just pulling up and moving without a plan and an offer.
Manuel *********
@Nadia ********
correct non immigrant b or ib you can only apply to this visa with a offer letter from a company when they hire you so in that case before
Manuel *********
@David ********
bro what ? Ofc they can work here what are you talking about ?

Apply for jobs they sponsor the documents for a work permit bound to a non immigration b visa. Have a look at the Thai reserved jobs every other job not on the list is fine.

For the work permit you have to have the job offer and the documents from the company your working for
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