What is the difference between a border bounce and a visa run in Thailand?

Mar 25, 2022
3 years ago
Tod *********
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Useless Trivia for the day

The difference between a border bounce and a visa run.

People usually interchange the terms 'border bounce', and 'visa run' with no issues

BUT

I'm here to tell you they are two completely different things.

BORDER BOUNCE

When the land borders were open (back pre-covid-shit-show) a border bounce was going to a border, stamping out of thailand, stamping in and out of another country, turning around and stamping right back into thailand to either enter the country on a visa exempt entry (which you are allowed two by land in a year) OR to activate another entry on a currently valid multi-entry visa.

NOW with the land borders closed a border bounce means you FLY to a country that's open (meeting the entry requirements there) then fly back to thailand (meeting the entry requirements to get in here too). This is to enter on a visa exempt entry

VISA RUN

This is where you go to another country and BUY a visa of some type from the thai consulate there before you come back to thailand. Most embassies/consulates have a turn in the application in the morning one day, pick it up the next afternoon (business days). So that means you're staying in another country a few days.

SOME thai consulates have a list of countries who cannot apply for visas OR who have long processing times (up to one month) so check the website of the consulate you're using BEFORE you wing your way there thinking everything will be fine.

It appears the thai consulate in Kuala Lumpur is hard as nails right now in issuing visas to people, so make sure you read the requirements on the website and MEET them or you're not gonna get a visa from them. There are no reports of the thai consulates in Penang or Kota Bharu Malaysia as far as issuing visas

Right now Singapore is one of the easiest (as you applying online using their proprietary online application process and can find out if you're approved before you even leave thailand :O )

There are no reports from the thai consulates in Vietnam as far as visa issuing at this time

RE-ENTERING THAILAND

One other thing I will touch upon and that is comin' back IN to thailand (especially if you have a lengthy stay history here during the covid 'lock down' (since March 23 2020)

A half plane full of foreigners was denied entry over the weekend comin' back from Phnom Penh (most had been here 2 years or so) and the ones that got in were grilled for a good while.

Remember an immigration officer at passport control can ask you for proof of funds (20K baht or the equivalent which has to be shown in CASH), proof of onward travel during the number of days you'll be stamped in for (on every entry but a Non-Immigrant type visa) and they can say you need to show the onward travel to the country of your passport origin if they want to :O. They can also ask for proof of lodging once you get out of Test&Go or quarantine,

SO if you have a lengthy stay history over this covid period are gonna border bounce or visa run BE PREPARED when you come back to get put thru the wringer getting stamped back in.

Right now the denial of entries are happening at both Bangkok airports (Don Mueang & Suvarnabhumi). There are no reports of people being denied entry flying into Phuket OR to Chiang Mai.

Sorry this was long, hopefully it was helpful
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The post explains the distinction between a 'border bounce' and a 'visa run' in the context of travel to Thailand. A border bounce involves crossing into another country briefly and returning to Thailand, often to activate a new visa or enter on a visa-exempt entry, which is now done by flying due to land border closures. A visa run, on the other hand, is when one travels to another country to apply for a visa at a Thai consulate, often requiring a stay of a few days. The author highlights current challenges with various consulates, entry requirements, and the importance of being well-prepared with necessary documentation to avoid denial of entry upon returning to Thailand.
Andrew *******
Thank you Todd, very informative / great post 👍👍👍
Eric *********
What's next, Todd? You gonna tell us there's a difference b/w a visa exemption and a via on arrival? 😆

As always, thanks for the info.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Eric ********
surprisingly I am writing an "entry stamp tutorial" right now 😛 Called "Crash Course on Entries Without a Visa 😛
Neus ********
We need a
@T**
’s podcast with “useless” trivia (which is not useless at all).

Thanks for all your shared knowledge!
Eva *******
Thank you Todd. Just to check if you fly via Bangkok but arrive for instance in Phuket, you would yiu only have to face the Phuket immigration and not Bangkok? 🙏🏽
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Eva ******
that I don't know if you clear passport control in Bangkok or Phuket, but I'd sure fly straight to Phuket if I could
Eva *******
@Tod ********
thank you
Peter *******
Thank you
@Tod ********
🙏
Philip ****
Thx for the info , but maybe it would also be useful to have an overview WHAT land borders are currently open again? I mean for individual travelers coming INTO Thailand? As far as I know, it’s just Sadao right ?
James ********
@Philip ***
but you CANNOT LEAVE Thailand using those borders
@Tod ********
mentioned.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Philip ***
You can ENTER thailand from Lao at the Nong Khai border crossing and you can ENTER thailand from Malaysia at the Sadao border crossing. That's it right now,

YOU CANNOT EXIT THAILAND BY LAND AT THIS TIME.
Ryan ********
I thought the 20k requirement for a visa waiver stamp, not using a visa?
Ryan ********
@Tod ********
anyway, I was only asked once, at a land border back in 2006.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ryan *******
proof of funds can be asked for ANY entry
Wind *************
Thanks for all the info. Good to know about the way it is handled in S'pore.
Mark *******
Thanks as always Tod! I will try to get a tourist visa from Phnom Penh in may so I will update you how it goes when I do! Hopefully restrictions will get more relaxed by then - but maybe I’ll just fly into Phuket if I don’t get a visa approved!
Veniamin **********
ัThanks!
Raymond *********
Great post Tod and very informative
Stephen ********
Out of curiosity, if the answer is known, were they denying arrivals with Non-Immigrant O and B visas, or was it primarily Tourist and Visa-Exempt arrivals that they were turning away?
Brandon ************
@Stephen *******
it's TR and exempt. They have no interest in denying long term visas and extensions because those people have the proper visa for their stay.
Eva *******
@Brandon ***********
even if you re enter on tourist after but were previously on non b with covid extensions?
Brandon ************
@Eva ******
then you run a very high risk of being denied entry
Stephen ********
@Brandon ***********
Thank you. I imagined that was the case, but just wanted to double-check.
Scott *******
I don't think that's useless trivia. The amount of people that will argue the 20,000b rule is myth is unbelievable . And these same people come to Thailand many times in a year but still have no clue of the rules and regulations . Thank you for raising these different subjects today maybe some will take note

What would we do without you Tod ?. Keep up the good work
Martin ********
Thanks for this I learnt a lot from reading this Tod although not much use to me in my situation. It’s explained very well and I found it informative and interesting. You learn something new everyday.

Tod The Guy That Knows He’s S**t when it comes to Visas and Immigration🇹🇭🇺🇸🇬🇧🇹🇭👍🏻👌🏼💪🏼😉
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Martin *******
accept no substitutes !!

often imitated never duplicated 😛
Martin ********
Jay ***********
Thanks
@Tod ********
By the way does Chiang Mai airport now have international flights arriving do you know ?
Jay ***********
@Christine ****
thanks ! Hoping for Korean air eventually. I got used to not flying into Bangkok
Christine *****
@Jay **********
as far as I know… scoot fly direct to Singapore… only Spore. Not heard of other international flights
Gee ********
knowledge post.

It's was Interesting to hear about Singapore Visa Run issuing visas
Giovanni ****************
I fully agree on your comment about the Thai consulate in Kuala Lumpur… harder than diamonds
Robin *********
I will fly to Saigon, Ho Chi Min first weekend of April to get a tourist visa in Saigon, travel the country for a week and return before Songkran. I have an appointement for Tourist Visa at Saigon early April, which you need to book IN ADVANCE, When I made the appointement in mid March that month of March was allready fully booked, so people might need to book about 2 weeks in advance. Just showing up at that consulate is NOT possible.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Robin ********
thank you for that update (y) report back on how that visa run goes if you will
Robin *********
and: I will do that trip together with my Thai girlfriend, hope that will help 😉
Dale **********
Where can I find the information on how long it takes to get visa in Cambodia at the consulate
Sam *********
The never ending issue of getting a visa. Some people seem to have no problems at all and some people seem “visa cursed”
Sylvia ********
Excellent information I will pass on
Fred *********
As usual, spot on and timely information.
John *****
Tod's useless could be a life saver for some people. Thx Tod.
Olli *********
THX Mate!
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