What are the pros and cons of returning to Thailand with my son after a divorce in the UK?

@คริส ***********

I registered the marriage with the uk embassy if I remember correctly as I needed to register my daughter as well for British citizenship

@Martin ********

I've been to the UK about 8 times and it gets worse and worse each time. I had it the last time when they added a service charge at the restaurants. The UK has the 2nd most exodus of millionaires for a reason. It is a horrible place to live.

@Daniel ****

, if you lack an understanding of how the legal system works, you should refrain from commenting. It is disrespectful, especially considering the seriousness of the situation.

I outlined the specific Thai laws governing this matter, provided links to legal resources in Thailand, and detailed six scenarios illustrating what could go wrong.

Tldr:

The wife can file a baseless petition and have the father & childs passport seized while a court case is pending.

If the Thai court has not been properly informed, they retain the right to:

1.) Protect their own Thai national, "the child."

2.) Review the information & ensure that, from their perspective, the child’s best interests are fully considered.

One argument could be that the family’s current instability due to the child being separated from the mother necessitates prioritising the child’s stability, which may involve remaining with the mother.

Scroll up if you would like to read my full detailed explanation and analysis.

@Daniel ****

You have no clue, Daniel. This reply is only for the benefit of those reading your reply. I won't argue with you further.

@Dave *********

Not sure why you’re sending me this link. My comments were based on what happens or can happen in Thailand, regardless of UK or any other country’s laws.

@Giovanni ************

Typo. I meant “most.”

@Giovanni ************

it means there's violent thugs in every Thai family

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@Radost *************************

@Gaius ********

We see and hear situations all the time, with the police and legal systems around the world. The individual who contacts the police first and provides the most information is often the one believed.

Therefore, it is advisable to ensure that all relevant facts are documented in Thailand while the child is still a minor, to mitigate the risk of any retaliatory action by the mother.

I presume David has a strong and clear case; however, individuals can still cause significant difficulties by filing a petition in court before your side has been heard. It is, therefore, prudent to present your case to a Thai famliy law firm, in order to pre-emptively safeguard against such scenarios.

Recommendations

@David *********

Would best Preemptively take Action.

Notify Thai authorities of the custody arrangement and divorce to prevent surprise legal actions.

Consult with a Thai family lawyer for guidance on local laws and processes.

Documentation:

Gather and present evidence supporting your capability and rights as a custodian.

Address potential claims from the mother proactively.

Legal Representation:

Retain a Thai family lawyer experienced in cross-jurisdictional custody cases.

Legal Provisions in the CCC

Section 1566 (6):

Parental power includes managing the child's residence and movement. Courts can intervene to protect the child’s welfare.

Section 1520:

In divorce cases, courts can overrule & decide custody and impose conditions, including travel restrictions, to ensure the child's best interests.

Legal Considerations &Scenarios

Best Interests of the Child:

The Civil and Commercial Code (CCC) and the Child Protection Act require that custody decisions be made with the child's welfare as the primary consideration.

Example:

If the mother presents evidence that the father is unfit (e.g., due to neglect, abuse, or substance misuse), the Thai court may reassess custody arrangements, regardless of existing foreign rulings.

Thai National Priority:

If the child is a Thai national, protecting their welfare within Thailand becomes the court's responsibility.

===== Scenarios Where Thai Courts can assert their jurisdiction =====

1.) Welfare Concerns about the fathers Care

Even if claims are fabricated, the legal process could result in delays and require the father to address them in court. (Thai Court has the power to seize passports during proceedings)

Suggested Action:

Pre-emptively consult a Thai law firm before travelling to ensure proper documentation is provided to Thai authorities.

2.)Parental Rights Violation:

The mother could argue that her parental rights were violated in the UK, appealing to Thai courts for custody reassessment.

3.)Jurisdiction Over The Thai Nationals:

If the child spends extended periods in Thailand, Thai courts may assert primary jurisdiction. Foreign rulings can be deemed irrelevant.

4.) Non-Participation in Hague Convention:

- Thailand is not a signatory to the Hague Convention. (and many other international legal agreements)

- The mother can initiate a case if she can prove shared custody or that the child was removed without her consent.

5.) Equal Parental Rights Under Thai Law:

The mother can argue she was deprived of her legal rights as a parent.

6.) Emergency Custody Petitions:

Filing an emergency petition highlighting the above arguments could lead to immediate restrictions, such as surrendering passports and imposing travel bans.

Sources:

Civil and Commercial Code (CCC):

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Child Protection Act B.E. 2546 (2003):

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Summary of Custody Laws in Thailand:



Further Reading on Thai Laws:

These are the two dominant legal Frameworks Governing this scenario:

1. Civil and Commercial Code (CCC), Book V, Title II (Family Law):

Governs parental power, custody, and child welfare provisions.

2. Child Protection Act B.E. 2546 (2003):

Aims to safeguard children, particularly those at risk of abuse or neglect.

Both laws relate to child custody cases involving Thai nationals. They emphasise the child's best interests, which take precedence over rulings from foreign jurisdictions.

@radost

Are you stating it's bullshit that the Thai court has the ability to override a foreign ruling?

Or are you expressing disbelief because you are unfamiliar with Thai laws or have not read them?

I implore you to refrain from making unhelpful comments, especially during a serious matter. Dismissing these concerns with disrespect undermines the gravity David's situation and fails to acknowledge Thailand's rigorous approach to family law and child protection. Thai courts prioritise the welfare of Thai nationals, regardless of foreign rulings.

I'll go through the laws & cite the codes, laws & scenarios which can be played out below.

@Mike ************

well that's reason enough

Why do you need to know?? Its none of your/our business whey they divorced. Dont just send me an angry face! Explain!

@Andrew *******

yes show it and it's accepted - just like in my country - but he said without doing anything and that's wrong. It isn't automatic like it would have been if you didn't have to do anything

@Aaron *****

if they are told about it which they are not

@Aaron *****

true..same as in Canada..divorce is allowed no matter where you got married

@Clarke ****

you know that for sure? Where I come from the authorities have no idea about a Thai marriage if I don't register it myself. And Thai authorities don't give information about a divorce to other countries. I think you are wrong