What can I do if my daughter's mother won't sign permission for her to travel from Thailand to Ireland?

Feb 5, 2024
10 months ago
Timmy *********
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Hi all this is not an easy problem to fix but let’s try my daughter lives in Thailand she is half Thail and half farlang I’m trying to bring her back to Ireland for a 3 week holiday for a family wedding but the problem is that her mam won’t sign the forms I have been coming to Thailand for 25 years what can I do to bring her back to my country Tks for any help
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The poster is facing difficulties in obtaining permission from his daughter's mother to bring her to Ireland for a 3-week family wedding. He has been visiting Thailand for over 25 years and expresses frustration over the lack of cooperation from the child's mother, who refuses to sign necessary travel documents. Commenters suggest various approaches: obtaining legal advice, negotiating with the mother, waiting until the daughter is an adult, or inviting the mother to accompany them. There are also sentiments regarding how money could influence the mother's consent. The main issue revolves around parental rights, consent for travel, and potential legal avenues.
Angela *****************
Only in Thailand 555
Angela *****************
This is family ask her mother how much money she would accept l bet that would work 🤨
Timmy *********
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Nika ********
Ok you say it's for a 3 week holiday and then another post says she wants to live in Ireland. Sounds like a mediator needed and a family discussion with a lawyer present
Nika ********
@Timmy ********
wishing you all the best with this. I hope her mom can understand the importance of letting her go.to a family event and to embrace both nationalities

.
Timmy *********
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@Nika *******
yes it’s just a holiday for a wedding and when she gets to 18 she wants to come live with me in Ireland so this answer your question nika
Timmy *********
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I have done all this lawyer stuff 2 times already a waste of my money not her mama money she don’t have money
Matthew *******
If u r her dad on birth cert I would have thought she could get a passport from your home country

I clearly could be wrong
Scott *********
Is your daughter 1 or 24 years old
Aaron *******
Out of curiosity, I googled adult age in Thailand. 20 yoa. Is this correct, seems very high.
Timmy *********
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@Aaron ******
no it is 18
Paul **********
Integrity Legal has good lawyers that can help.
Julie ******
How old is she?
Timmy *********
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@Julie *****
16 going on 17
Albert ********
Is she 18? Doesn't she hold two passports?
Timmy *********
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@Albert *******
no she is 16 why would she want 2 passport an Irish passport is 1 of the best in the world to have
Timmy *********
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You assume wrong she want to live in Ireland
Albert ********
@Timmy ********
I assume if she wants to stay in Thailand.
Ann ************
How old is your daughter?
Timmy *********
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@Ann ***********
she is 16 years old 17 this year
Ann ************
@Timmy ********
buggar ….. one more year and you wouldn’t need consent 😢
Shaun ********
Your ex is waiting for a cash bribe. You should know the language here by now, they speak money.
Perry **********
How old?
Davide *************
Prendi un avvocato ed in queste occasioni bisogna andare dal giudice il quale chiederà direttamente al figlio se vuole o no! Ovviamente in tribunale. E ti daranno il consenso con l'obbligo di riportare il figlio nel suo paese d'origine. Ci sono accordi internazionali sul merito
Andy ************
Pay the mam it is Thailand after all, she has a price
Apple *****
Give the mom or granny some money they will not refuse 😅😅
Timmy *********
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@Apple ****
you are so wrong i tried many time
Apple *****
@Timmy ********
then are a one of a kind , you have a keeper there 👍🏻
Bernie **********
Nothing
Timmy *********
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@Bernie *********
what do you mean nothing ???
Michael *********
Contact TSL & Associates in Bangkok. For a reasonable fee they handle all of these types of problems rather easily. They handle all of my legal issues in Thailand.
Werner ************
Do you have a relationship with your kid? Any parental rights?

If not then not much you can do - if you do then contact a lawyer or get a court order

The last resort will be to come to a financial agreement with the mother, I assume the relationship is not amicable
Timmy *********
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@Werner ***********
I have. A GREAT relationship with my daughter I have come to Thailand 51 times to see my child
Werner ************
@Timmy ********
then you need to come to an agreement with the mother or file for court ordered parental rights - with an order for travel letter etc

What city?
Timmy *********
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@Werner ***********
korat up north Thailand
Timmy *********
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Maria ******************************
@Timmy ********
does your daughter want to go to Ireland with you?
Timmy *********
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Why****
My first question is... does your daughter actually want to return to Ireland and participate in the family wedding event? Or is it that you feel she should, therefore you are commanding the mother release her into your custody (assuming the daughter is of a minor age). There is a huge difference between requesting her presence and participation and commanding her presence and participation.

Is this simply a bitter battle between each parent where the child picks up the tab for their squabbling and pays for it deeply with emotional trauma?

There are too many variables within this question without knowing the history of the family dynamics. An accurate and meaningful reply to your query is at best a guess or at worst would be prematurely negligent and irresponsible.

This reply may not help you towards a solution but, at least it should stimulate your thought process into solving the problem in a mature non selfish fashion that has your daughters best interest at heart. Best of luck Timmy, You got this.
Steve *********
I guess your ex wife thinks you will not return her ! Best way is go talk to you ex wife and try work it out. Lawyers will cost a fortune and take forever with no guarantee you will win. Go talk to her and blow fliers up her ass
Andrew *********
@Steve ********
agree. Lawyers should be last option
Lars **********
Difficult situation but as several already stated, consult a family lawyer to see if there is any legal options.

My other advice would be to take the discussion with the mother, she is putting the relationship with her daughter at risk.

Depending on your daughters age, if she is over 15-16 you can try discuss all of you.

I wish you best of luck 🙏🏻
Timmy *********
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@Lars *********
I have done all

The lawyer stuff already

The mother just keeps signing the forms wrong and the whole thing about this is she don’t even live with her daughter my girl stays with her grand mother up north of Thailand my next trip in April

Is my 51 trip to

Thailand to see my daughter
Lars **********
@Timmy ********
sorry to hear that but your efforts and dedication to your daughter is awesome, all creds to you for that and i hope you will always have your daughters love for it 🙏🏻
บุษกร **********
Bring the mum along😅
Andrew **********
@Ti***
, worst case scenario, why not, at the last stage, invite the mother to come with your daughter and tell her to treat it as a free holiday. That way you’ll get your daughter to be with you and won’t have the worry of having the mother try to sabotage things for you. Once she’s, you daughter, in Ireland, as long as she has an Irish passport and enters Ireland on it, she is then under the protection of the Irish and not Thailand so you’ll have far more rights there than you do here in Thailand.
Phil ********
Pay her mother to sign the papers.
Christopher *************
Timmy , It would be much better if you added a lot more information, Your Daughter's age, were you and the mother legally married, are you paying support, when is the wedding ( it may already be too late to sort sort visas) etc, The Child will only be half Irish if your name is on the Birth Certificate?
John *********
Just wondering….have you been sending the mom money to help support your daughter?

If so, just tell the mom you won’t send money ever again and all of a sudden, she will cooperate.
John *******
It's a sad situation you find yourself in and i see where your coming from and obviously there is more to the story but thats a matter between yourself and the mother not for us to comment or concern ourselves about but it seems you are the reason she won't sign off unfortunately for you at this point in time the mother has the legal power and holds all the aces if she won't sign the paperwork than that's it for now if there is a legal avenue you can take iam not sure but legal matters relating to the law of the land takes time money and patience and only one winner every chance that may backfire on you and possibly ruin any future relationship or connection with your daughter and or the mother but that's your choice but if there is one thing in life I have learned when it comes to a thai woman and she has her mind set it's pretty much concrete and quite difficult to convince otherwise not sure it all worth it for a wedding Chokh di you gunna need it
Christopher *************
Not very much. Is you name on her Birth Certificate ,do you pay support?
Timmy *********
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@Christopher ************
your answer to both your questions are both yes
Ya *****
@Timmy ********
do get a lawyer to fight for your right to bring her back with you. This will not be easy and will cost you. If good your name is in the certificate. And she is only 16 and will need her to sign on the passport application. If not she will not bale to get a passport or other type of document done. You are at our limit as a foreigner.

And by giving money to ur ex-wife will not solve this issue and it will be a bigger headache in the future and it will be her weapon of choice to stop you from seeing your daughter and you will have to give her more and more money.

Best way is to get a lawyer to get the rights to your daughter.

Take care.
Christopher *************
Don't get into a dog fight and is a wedding really that important?
Johnny ******
Just bring both over
Albert *******
The mother probably feels like you don’t deserve to show her off at a wedding if you’re NOT a grand part of the little girls life consistently, and I’m not talking about only money . In that situation I’d have to agree with the mother, sorry . So without more details about your connection to your daughter and her age , we all can just make general assumptions based off the stereotype of a greedy Thai baby mother when they’re two sides to every story . 😏
Coilean *********
Hey Tim does she hold an Irish passport? If so that's the first obstacle overcome. If so like others said invite the mother or offer her a few quid to enjoy herself or buy gold. If that does not work it's not worth going the legal route it probably makes things worse to be honest. Good luck buddy I hope it works out for you and your daughter.( Up the rebels 🇮🇩)
Timmy *********
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@Coilean ********
the embassy kept it because when I went to renew it the mother signed the wrong address 3 times so now it is in the embassy
Coilean *********
@Timmy ********
Ok your sort of goosed than. The ex is obviously getting good advice from some where. But the embassy has to give her a passport if she is a citizen but the mother won't sign the release to travel. If the communication lines are cut with the motor you probably have to wait till she is eighteen sad I know. Just an excuse to get out of damp Ireland for a holiday in Thailand.
Us *****
Bro, you can't expect her to sign for nothing. She wants something, so just give it to her. Money solves everything, just negotiate with her. I am sure you know her better than any of us.
Ken **********
There is a reason why the mum dont want to sign the paper and only u know how to resolve this
Maria ******************************
How old is your daughter?
Timmy *********
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@Maria *****************************
she is 16 and I have paid child support all of her life
Maria ******************************
@Timmy ********
ah ok.. I was asking her age becasue if you reach out to the airline company and ask their age limit for teens travelling alone she might be OK to "pretend" to be travelling to the UK alone.

My son age 17 travelled with his friend and his mum from Norway to Thailand and back with out any problems this Christmas. In theory my son could have been going without parental concent! 🤷🏼‍♀️

Again I was told to ask the airline company directly what age they allowed teens to travel by themselves..

OBVIOUSLY if mum doesn't allow her to go,literally and physically it would be hard as she could charge you with kidnapping unless you did literally send your daughter to the UK alone and you could come after or go before hand? 🤔 could that work 🙄
Gary ********
Give money works every time or take a chance on her passport only
Hilary ******
Bring the mother also. ?
Shaun ********
@Hilary *****
that's a no no when she doesn't seem the easiest, the trip would have to be all about her
Wolfgang *******
I was in the same situation and I invited the mother too and bought her an airplaneticket as well. Problem solved!
Brett *****
A good agent would surely help here.
Andrew *********
Offer her money and remind her future payments can easily be cut off. It would be nice not to have to play that card, but it’s what they understand.🤷🏿‍♂️
Timmy *********
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I don’t owe any money to anybody in Thailand I have supported my child since she was bor
Colin *********
@Timmy ********
good on you for financially supporting the raising of your daughter. A lot would do anything to get out of it.

I'm not going to get too personal because I don't want you, or anyone else to get the wrong idea in such a wicked world where there's so many predators, but can I ask if your daughter is a teenager, or not yet? Asking that from the angle of your daughter possibly being old enough to put some 'pressure' on her mother to allow her to visit you.

While I don't have any experience in this, nor legal knowledge, other than that, as much as you might not like the idea, politely 'threaten' the girl's mother with stopping the financial support. This support that you're providing, may have been of great help over the life of your daughter. Her mother may not want to lose it unless she has a decent income of her own. If that doesn't have any effect, you could try threatening to take legal action for part custody. How that would work between the two countries, or even if Thailand authorities would cooperate, who knows. Maybe some legal advice within your country and maybe Thailand as well, might be necessary.
Timmy *********
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I hope so but it is not easy as you know you are dealing with thai people
Andrew *********
@Timmy ********
sorry your thread got hijacked with non-sense about you owing your wife. Of course we assumed you were doing the right thing. Maybe now you can use that to your advantage…
Bart **************
@Andrew ********
I don't think you can just stop paying the money you owe. She'll have the means to get her money.
Kev *********
@Bart *************
owed by concience is not the same as owed by law
Andrew *********
@Bart *************
which type of situation are you imagining where the child' father owes payments to the mother? In Thailand I've only ever heard of fathers here sending money to support their children as it's the right thing to do, not because of a mandatory child support system like we have in the west.
Kev *********
@Andrew ********
that's correct.
Bart **************
@Kev ********
no of course it's not. No one can become father of a child without paying their fair share. And she will have the legal ways to get it.
Matthew *******
@Bart *************
you clearly do not know anything about Thailand

Better not to comment
Kev *********
@Bart *************
by law in Thailand a father isn't required to support his child
Andrew *********
@Bart *************
you don’t get out of your country much do you? Maybe you should consider foreign rules being different.
Bart **************
@Andrew ********
not sure what planet you're from, but yeah on this one this is pretty universal stuff indeed. Like Thou shalt not steal. Exceptions always exist, but we're not in Somalia here are we.
Kev *********
@Bart *************
you're only a young boy so I'm sure you'll be forgiven for being naive.
Bart **************
@Kev ********
are you sure I'm the naive one here and not you. Countries can't allow men to become fathers without bearing the consequences. They may in the Irans and Somalias of this world, where it is not yet understood that women are human beings and have rights too, but I'm fairly sure Thailand isn't part of that crew.
Kev *********
@Bart *************
carry on young lad. You'll learn. Its naive of you to think other countries don't have different laws to your place of birth.
Bart **************
@Kev ********
I think it's naive of you that men can walk away after begetting a child. And I just don't believe what you say about this not being law.
Kev *********
It's you that's naive to think men can't just walk away from a child here in Thailand. I'm not advocating it's the right thing but I am telling you it's not madatory to support a child you've fathered in Thailand.
Kev *********
@Bart *************
you need to expand your horizons beyond De Goorn described as a little village in Netherlands. So, if the laws are the same internationally why are Thais driving on the opposite side of the road to what people in Netherlands do?
Bart **************
@Kev ********
wish you a nice day 👍
Marianne ********
@Bart *************
unless the mother and father were married at the time of the childs birth, the father has, by law, absolutely no obligation to support the child. But he also has no rights towards the child.

Everything is up to the mother.

Is it morally great?

No.

But it is the law here in Thailand and there is no consequence to him stopping the pay to the mother. And honestly, if the mother does not let the child go to see the fathers family, I think it is halfway justified.
Kev *********
@Marianne *******
even if they were legally married there is no legal obligation for a father to support his child.
Bart **************
@Andrew ********
I don't think there is any country where you can get away begetting a child without paying for it. Maybe in Iran, where getting raiped is the worst crime they know of.
Cliff *********
Punctuation would help….
Timmy *********
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@Cliff ********
you don’t seem to be a nice person if you don’t understand this situation then don’t be in a group that you haven’t got a clue how to help people
Wolfgang *******
@Timmy ********
You reprimand him for his grammar errors. So YOU are nice? How did YOU help him?
Wolfgang *******
@Cliff ********
If you have a problem to read and understand this, you are not the brightest star in the sky.
Kev **********
Fordged signature
Bart **************
@Kev *********
you still need to take the kids with you. Odds are she will have them signalled as taken, and then you can't fly them out, with any letter.
Ken ********
@Kev *********
trust you, 555
Stuart ***********
A bribe to the mother would seem your best option.
Frank **********
The mom is probably afraid that you will try and keep her in your country. Unfortunate situation.
Jon ********
Even the foreigners refer to themselves & family as farangs 😁
Steve *******
@Jon *******
cause it seems to be the way it is.
Kev ********
Wave some money 💴 at the mother 👍
Ste *******
Dennis ***********
A bribe is just a can opener,she will claw/demand more
Dennis ***********
@Kev *******
she will just ask for more
Kev ********
@Dennis **********
hopefully not too much of a greedy bitch. They certainly know how to be cruel.
Thomas *******
Nothing you can do, up to her
Wolfgang *******
@Thomas ******
You have no clue at all, man. He is the one who holds the joker in his hand, not his wife.
Thomas *******
Greg *********
No
Declan **********
Outside of getting a lawyer there is nothing you can do. You will have to wait until she is an adult.
Alma ***************
@Declan *********
that's what I said..lol!
Wolfgang *******
@Declan *********
Your answer shows that you have never had to deal with such a situation and therefore you have no experience. You should not give advice on this here!
Bart **************
Aie, that's a tough one indeed. Consult a family lawyer.

To my understanding in this situation you strangely can get more done as divorced parent than as married parent. As a married parent the rule is simple and you need the other parent's consent, and so a no is a no. As a divorced parent there is a (difficult) path with court orders and the like. A family lawyer should be able to tell you if I'm correct and how to achieve.
John *********
@Bart *************
will not be cheap my pal had same problem used his son as a pawn to black mail him, some very nasty

women out there.
Terry ********
@Bart *************
agreed. Have to wait until she’s an adult OR give the mom the money she wants instead of hiring a lawyer. Either way she’s going to demand money.
Timmy *********
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@Bart *************
I am divorced
Bart **************
@Timmy ********
sorry to hear that. But then at least you have the legal path at your disposal. But it's gonna cost $$$.

A family lawyer would be the starting point.
Alma ***************
Wait till she's a. Adult
Timmy *********
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@Alma **************
that’s great for you to say but why don’t you fly to Thailand 50 times to see my child 😡😡
Wolfgang *******
@Alma **************
Bull shit. There is always a better solution!
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