What are the most affordable options for a US citizen planning to move to Thailand by age 40?

Sep 5, 2024
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Shawn *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
So I’m currently 34 and a US Citizen. It’s my goal to live in Thailand full time by the time I am 40. What are the best options to make this happen with the least amount of money necessary?
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A US citizen seeks affordable options to live in Thailand by 40, leading to discussions on visas like the Digital Nomad Visa (DTV), costs of living, necessary monthly income, and recommendations to save and prepare financially. Expat perspectives highlight living expenses, the importance of budgeting, and the potential need for income through teaching or remote work. Key points include suggestions to visit Thailand beforehand, the long-term requirements for citizenship, and the idea of living frugally versus enjoying a more comfortable lifestyle.
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Tim *******
Honestly it is doable. I am 42, my wife is 38, we have been living here for almost a year now. We all have views about money but really it is all about how you choose to live and what is important to you. We are speanding between 2000 to 2500 a month and we are living a good life. Just come here, find an area that works for you. As for a visa, the DTV is your best deal at the moment
Shawn *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tim ******
thank you for the feedback I appreciate it
Tulip ********
Marry a rich Thai woman.
Ian *********
I’d save every last penny you can, save it all spend almost nothing in the states while you are there. And focus your energy on a career that pays you in USD but you can work remote in Thailand. 6 years is plenty to figure that out, but they will want you to have income, even if you have a million saved, they will be more focused on you Atleast making 1600 ish USD a month.
Jeff ********
Not happening.
Xjwhudkwhry ********
what an ambitious young man...
Tim *********
win the lotto!!!
Joshua **********
Join the military now.(should have enlisted at 17) Go serve 20 years, buy at least 1 duplex at each duty station. When getting out make sure every injury is documented to get 100% disabled from the VA. So after 20 years you’ve got a pension, disability check and rental income from at least 10doors. That’s how I did it and what my son’s working on now.
L.E. ***********
Idk what you're looking for. But I'm shooting to have a fixed income for retirement between $4,000 to $5,000 a month to retire and travel throughout Asia. That's a lot of money into investments, so save every penny you have and put it into investing, because social security doesn't kick in til much later and that money wouldn't be enough by the time you're that old to use it. Hustle hard for 6 years, make the most money you can make then you can go. I heard a lot of people get on by qith $2,000 a month there. And if you're real cheap on everything, possible to live there with $1,000 but it sounds like a miserable existence tbh
Aake **********
Aha, I go to Thailand and live there, stupid fools
Patrick ********
Wait 6 years and post again
Ken ***********
It really does depend on your current financial status and your education level and work history. If you have saved a substantial amount of money and can use very little per year and allow it to grow through investments for your retirement. Also, if you have a college decree and good work history you might be able to find a job with a good salary.

In your 40's is part if your best income years and Thailand just doesn't have much professional opportunities.
William ************
Oh Dear !

Be careful especially in terms of money and where it goes , special attention needs to given to your love life because for sure you will have lots of attention afforded you . Slowly Slowing in everything would be best . Good luck
Mark ********
If money is the issue,don't bother. You will run out at some point and penny pinching has no joy or support for Thailand.
Morris *****
Your main issue is money so instead of trying to run away from it, you should use these next 6 years to learn a high-income skill that you can utilize in Thailand or remotely to be able to generate you an income by the time you move.
Felipe *******
Depends on what you want and expect.

If you like eating out western food, drinking a lot, and women, expect 100k to 1 million baht per month.

If you don't drink, like to cook, or find cheap open markets, and dont drink more than a six pack a week, a few women a month, you can do 45k to 70k baht per month.

This is Pattaya prices.

If you move to more rural areas of Thailand, prices drop.

If you move to an area with more westerners, prices rise.

More rural means less people that speak your language and will depend more on Google translate.

You should come for about 6 months to decide what you want, what you are willing to accept, if you like the weather and heat, language barrier acceptance, financial abilities based on your finances, female/relationship expectations, food acceptance, etc.

Everyone is different and expect or accept much different things. Test drive. I just did mine for 9 months and it's been a wonderful learning experience.
Dan *******
Make a lot of money in the next 6 years...even with cheap rent and food..it really adds up. Good Luck
Johnny ********
Open a Thai bank account and keep a large amount of money in the account without touching it when and then when you make them that amount, you could move it around in and out, but don’t forget to keep a large amount of money in the account for more information so you understand
Alain ***************
I recommend spending a few months here before even thinking of permanently moving here. I had multiple 3 month-visits and changed my mind about places to live multiple times. People ruined their lives before. I have a decent pension and don’t live in luxury but a good life. I’m not thinking about getting citizenship though
Carlos *********
Better get your tofl and a degree.

Then you can come make 350bht per day as a teacher.
Luke **********
By the sounds of it you have a dream , you need to do a hell of a lot more research and live in a fantasy land in your brain 👀👀
Bob **********
Stay home if Harris gets elected she’s going to give the country away but if you really want to live here I would say at least an income of $3000 a month and at least 500,000-1,000,000 invested
Jeff ********
@Bob *********
dum dum want gum gum?
Bob **********
@Jeff *******
I prefer gummy bears strong gummy bears if you even know what they are 😎😎😎
Jeff ********
@Bob *********
you’re a fool. Shaddup dunce
Bruce *********
@Bob *********
I can invest $500.
Bob **********
@Bruce ********
Send it that will make a good night out
Bruce *********
Think about this carefully. I have met several people who were gung ho about living fulltime in the "Paradise" called Thailand. Even knew 2 people who sold their homes and one his business and home to move here. Several regretted it. Some couldn't handle the weather. For others it was to much of a culture shock and they couldn't assimilate. One even moved here who didn't like Thai food and hated all seafood. He didn't do to well with him blowing his monthly budget on eating Western food every day. Also it's not all drinking and girls every night. A lot of guys have this fantasy of living here on $1,000 a month or have a small pension and they couldn't control themselves and all the money went to girls. When the money runs out it can get pretty scary here. Best thing is to maybe come here for 6 months or a year and see if you like it.
Craig *******
@Bruce ********
they're obviously a bit stupid, weather,food,etc, if they can't handle the basics and still go there's no hope for them
Don *********
Buy 2 Bitcoins today. In 6 years they are likely to be worth around USD1m.

Deposit these coins on an exchange that offers crypto secured loans (Binance, Bybit etc) and then start to draw down your living expenses whilst holding your Bitcoin.

That’s it - basically the Bitcoin is likely to grow much faster than you can spend it here and you should be able to continue to increase the loan. Of course the more you expect to spend the more Bitcoin you will need to hold.

Not for everyone I realise 🙂
Steve ********
Buy 2 Bitcoins, doesn't sound like a good financial plan to me.
Don *********
@Steve *******
have you noticed that the value of hard assets (real estate, gold, shares) keeps rising very fast, yet wages are hardly changing ?

This is because most central banks around the world are printing money in huge volumes - this is known as currency debasement. A dollar from 2014 is worth less than 30 cents in real terms today, due to currency debasement and inflation.

Bitcoin is another hard asset, rapidly being adopted by banks, pension funds, corporations and individuals as a store of wealth with finite supply. Huge demand + limited supply = (you figure it out)…
Don *********
@Steve *******
a little old but you can get the idea
Bruce *********
@Steve *******
It has been the best financial plan over the past 13 years. What are you talking about?
Angelo ***********
@Don ********
That does not help regarding his visa questino not the slightest.
Don *********
@Angelo **********
the OP didn’t ask anything about visas 🤔
Angelo ***********
@Don ********
He did: "Thailand Visa Advice - And Everything Else" And you should place your bit con scams elsewhere.
Don *********
@Angelo **********
please settle down - no mention of any Visas that I can see.

Bitcoin is publicly available from thousands of sources, including mainstream banks these days - why would you consider my comments any form of scam ?

Happy to refer you to multiple sources of education on the subject - this is a good start:

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Angelo ***********
@Don ********
This is a Thailand Visa group. So obviously he asked about Visa!
Don *********
@Angelo **********
I doubt he’s asking about visas 6 years in advance, but either of us could be right. Peace and love
Jo **********
live in Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai or Issan. Avoid Bangkok, Phuket etc much higher costs. You asked about the least amount of money so this is an answer
Zev *******
I’m sure this has been said but I am 45 not 40 like your goal and I started investing a lot about 15 years ago. Save your money let it grow give us Perfect your investment strategies the safest more profitable for many decades now is index funds. I waited till now so I could have a very healthy budget. I’m not moving my life across the world to be confined to my condo.
Kirsten *********
Citizenship is really tough to get. Even people married to a Thai, working here for many years who’ve learned the language struggle to get citizenship. As for coming to live here, at your age there are these options: 1) find a job with an employer in the country before you come, go through the non immigrant visa and work permit. 2) if you’ve had a high paying virtual job for 2 years and an ongoing contract, you can apply for LTR visa (also available to wealthy immigrants) no work permit though so no chance to get onto PR. 3) go on DTV visa which is 6 months a year for 5 years but extendable within the year at extra cost. Again no lead to PR 4) take a student visa. again no lead to PR 5) come to Thailand and form a business with a Thai partner and with paying for 4 Thai employees work in your own business. 6) be very wealthy and buy an elite visa but no lead to PR
Wynter ******
You have to have a remote job, because as you know you can not work there , unless you marry a Thai woman.
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
that is not correct.
Wynter ******
@Bart *************
by the way you can not own property in Thailand as well ,it would have to be in a Thai name. Everything I am telling you can be googled.
Wynter ******
@Bart *************
there are some jobs that advertise for Americans to come to a foreign company to work, because they have a joint agreement with the USA, who are s going to tax you, because you are a resident of the USA, or Canada, but to just come to Thailand to find a job, want happen, plus you will definitely get very low Thai pay. Thailand can not tax you . You would have to become a resident of Thailand. People that get work visa, if you Google they marry a Thai. I am curious what job you think you can get in Thailand?
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
you are very poorly informed.

It may not be trivial to work for Thai companies, but it is definitely possible, depending on what kind of job it is. You may get very low pay or you may get a decent salary, again depending on the job. And yes if you work in Thailand you are regarded a resident. And obviously Thailand taxes you, and no one else.

All of my friends and many in this group have found a job in Thailand. It alienates me that people think that marrying a Thai woman is de facto necessary for that. There are people who work in Thailand through a marriage but that is only a very small group. You have not found this on Google. You made it up.

The last remark is again false. You can own property in Thailand. Why do you keep making things up like this? You think it's funny?

I must ask you to refrain from trying to help others in groups like this. You are not helping. You are spreading misinformation and to a level goes far beyond a little mistake here or there. I must assume that you do it willingly.
Wynter ******
I said you can work, but the Thai company has to have agreements with USA because you are a usa citizen, not Thai. But I am done debating, other people in this group have tried to get jobs too, they couldn't.
Wynter ******
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
yes that's the point I made. I made it because you just said pretty much the opposite. So thanks for proving yourself wrong.
Wynter ******
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
I find it also weird to involve the land ownership matter in a topic about working in Thailand. It's not related.
Wynter ******
@Bart *************
you said I was misinformed ,I gave you proof
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
you gave me proof of my points and against your own.

Not sure what I should advice you now. Glasses? Doctor? But something needs fixing.
Wynter ******
@Bart *************
, no I said you can work if the USA has a agreement with a global company, or just like English speaking teachers are recruited. With the requirements, which is the first thing in the list. So unless you were, not understanding or paying attention, I said you just can not go to a Thai company and go to work you would need to have the foreign company agreement, and or work for a global company.bit would be very hard to get a work permit.....just like in the USA , lots of requirements, that is why they marry to get work permit.
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
you're making progress, but you're still wrong. NO, you don't need a foreign company agreement. Working for a Thai company is not easy but it is entirely possible if you and the job qualify. Your screenshot said it also. Have you still not read it?

If you know people who married for getting a work permit, if those people even exist, which I doubt, I wish them sanity.
Wynter ******
@Bart *************
you need a foreign company to , or you need a Thai company to sponsor you, but what Thai company will do that.? What type of job would you get? This mute because only that 1 percent can. I was offered a job in South Africa, through a global company, but because I didn't want that continent didn't take it. But good luck, let us know if you the 1 percent.
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
marrying does open more options on the work front indeed, but there still is an extensive list of prohibited jobs.
Jeff ********
@Bart *************
you are sorely out of touch with reality
Bart **************
@Jeff *******
if you also think working for Thai companies is not possible, unless you marry a Thai woman, it does not make me out of touch with reality. It makes you out of touch.
Jeff ********
@Bart *************
you clearly don’t get what or why I said what I said. Goober. Dumb kid.
Bart **************
@Jeff *******
you must be one of the poor fellows whom I just wished sanity up above. Poor you.

Have a great life with your fake marriage. Hope you'll eventually be alright.
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
you can get a job at a Thai company if you qualify. What kind of company? What kind of job? Well a machine learning engineer at Agoda would work. And that really isn't the only thing.
Bart **************
@Wynter *****
land indeed. You said property.
Jairus ***********
Get a job and work visa there.
Terary **********
When I came, 10 years ago, one-way ticket cost about $800. You could live in a template and eat rice... That is the cheapest way.

You have 6 years. In that time I would focus more on finding an income more than finding discounts.

Some younger people come here with the intention of working for a living. I think minimally skilled expats earn about $1000 - $1500 a month, teaching or scuba instructor... Those are pretty much the only two jobs you can do, unless you have some very unique skills (doctor specializing in something and you are recognized as the worlds best, they may let you practice your specialty - but I have not yet seen that).

$500/month gets you pretty good place in Bangkok near no transportation. 750 may get you a decent place near transportation.. Or ride a motorcycle... If you are ok with eating only rice you can probably survive on a dollar a day... Then everything additional costs more. I think you will find $1000-$1500 is enough to get by for awhile. You will have to choose, air conditioning or save for emergencies. You will not have enough money for both.

My advice to you.. Save every penny you can for the next 6 years and/or spend the 6 years finding a job that can be done remotely, or spend the next 5 years acquiring the skill you need to find a job that can be done remotely.

Craigslist and bahtsold.com are good sites to do some rental window shopping.
Mikki ***********
Bitcoin
Andy *********
Invest , U need income & passive income - dividend’s, ETF’s, options, crypto , etc
Martin *****
Onlyfans
Pete **********
@Martin ****
reminds me of the only fans Southpark episode 😆 🤣 😂
Paulo **********
Thailand is becoming expensive , they will slowly close the gap , sure somethings are cheap but what price do you really pay ?
Zev *******
@Paulo *********
this is no joke. I’m moving from the US but my yearly budget will be the same mainly because I want to be out doing things more whether it’s restaurants night markets island hopping scuba diving, private lessons to learn Thai.
Peter *********
If you become a cheap Charlie maybe possible 😉
Bart **************
Apply for a job in Thailand.
Sven ********
Stay out of the tourist spots, they are only good for a weekend trip if you live here. Find a good lady with her own job and she will help you to save Money. Find a lady with a max 5-8 years age difference if you want a good relationship at the age of 40.Thai lady's who not are not "keeping up with the Jonneses" types are the best and very frugal. If you can not live on 50.000 baht per month here in Thailand then you're 🫣

Thai culture is about good life, food and family, not about possessions.
Sam **********
@Sven *******
age isn't an issue. It's about how they are raised. I'm 39 mine is a village girl who's 21. Never any issues with trust or money. Works the farm and keeps to herself.
Jeff ********
Sam **********
Sven ********
@Sam *********
it happens yes 😉

For me age is important, especially with Thai Lady's because they need more time to act like adults 🤭

I'm 40 myself and i don't see myself having a serious relationship with a 20 years old who have zero real life experience. But that doesnt mean it can work for others👏
Conny **********
Learn to live on a dime in the US and save as much as possible in an index fund.

Learn to travel cheap.

You are going to need 300 times your monthly budget. Geo arbitrage gives you advantages. A starting point can be numbeo.com .

Learn to live like a local. Remember that most Thai live on less than 400 THB a day.

Even in a relatively expensive place like Hua Hin you can find rooms for 3.000 THB as a foreigner. Breakfast 20 THB, lunch 30 THB .
Michael ****
I bro, dont take haters serious and these laughing smilies.

So my idea for you would be, hustle in America until 40, safe as much money as you can. The more the better!

Do your TEFL, and start teaching since you are native speaker it should be easy for you.

In best case you can buy a little low class condo, so you don’t have to pay any rent. Keep fighting for your dream, it’s the right way to do as you plan it. Don’t rush, prepare for the right moment in the near future. 👍
Sarah ******
@Michael ***
Good advice but don't assume that just because someone is a native speaker that can just do a TEFL and teach. For example, I have come across many UK natives who have appalling English grammar and spelling!
Jake **********
@Sarah *****
oh of course. I was simple saying if you have a very good grasp of the English language then you don’t need a TEFL. TBH it all boils down to if the student likes you. 80% of people looking for tutoring are looking to improve their conversational English anyway, so there is no need to be an expert with punctuation.

I have tutored many people in the past, mainly Polish, and it’s not hard. You just talk to them and correct them when they make a mistake and explain why we don’t say that certain thing that way.

If you want to learn to be good enough to teach conversational English online then I don’t think a TEFL will help either, firstly it’s a lot about your personality and secondly you’re better off just researching yourself.
Jeff ********
@Jake *********
you’re missing the main point of having a certification is standards. Period.
Michael ****
@Sarah *****
yes you are right. Of course teaching isn’t the right thing for everyone. Was just an idea which came to my mind.
@Jake *********
agree, this option sounds very good as well. DTV is for sure one of the best ways to go, before able to get the retirement visa.

Working remotely for a western company is usually as well the higher income source. But we don’t have any infos about his personal background.
Terary **********
@Sarah *****
I have "appalling English grammar and spelling!" and I taught for a couple of years. I did a crappy job but I doubt my students missed out on anything. Teaching in government schools doesn't require you to teach (all students will get passing grade, regardless of merit), it simply requires you to baby-sit, make sure the students don't hurt themselves or the property, and look like a teacher -- that is all that is required.
Jake **********
@Michael ***
Being American he isn’t a native speaker 😂

I’ve found TEFL makes very little difference when you come from the country of origin.

More money to be made tutoring online and once again don’t need a TEFL.

Not only this but the DTV visa allows for online nomads, which is the way go, that gives you 5 years.

You’ll need 500k baht in a bank account that you just don’t touch, then your home free
Jacob ********
Don,t even think about moving here until you learn Thai. Your chances of finding work here are about nil so get that out of your head.
Zev *******
@Jacob *******
I am moving to Thailand before the end of the year. I don’t speak Thai, but I also, don’t need to work in Thailand . However, I think learning the language is really important and I will be getting a tutor once I arrive. I was going to move to Brazil and have been studying Portuguese for a couple years but everything there is much harder as far as getting Visa renting bank accounts. I found Thailand to be much more accommodating to foreigners.
Jeff ********
@Zev ******
shutup you have 4 Facebook friends fake profile ass
Zev *******
Jeff SchottI set up a Facebook account years ago never really used it, but I realize I need it living and a foreign country as it will be a huge help. I think you might want to invest in anger management lessons if you get triggered so easily for no reason yikes.!! anyways, you can keep commenting, but I’m going to ignore you too much bad energy from you
Jacob ********
@Zev ******
Happy that you are willing to learn. You will be joining a very small group of foreigners that made an effort.
Zev *******
@Jacob *******
my original plan was to move to Brazil, but visas are really way too difficult. I had been studying Portuguese for a year and a half but I’m hoping I can find a good class or tutor to help me with Thai. I actually very much enjoy the challenge of learning a foreign language. I haven’t really challenged myself intellectually since College. I really do think it makes you feel much more part of the country and the culture
Jacob ********
@Zev ******
There is no way I would have survived in Thailand for over two decades not being able to understand my surroundings. I would have died from stress and loneliness. Never consider moving here if you are not willing to learn the basics of the language. Here is a link to a YouTube channel that will give you idea of Thai.
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Shawn *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jacob *******
not once did I say I would work in Thailand.
Kirsten *********
@Shawn ******
you say your goal is citizenship. To gain citizenship you first need PR. To gain PR you must work in the country and pay taxes a minimum of 3 years…
Jacob ********
@Shawn ******
That seems to be a common theme lately. Not sure where many are getting their ideas from. Just jump on the plane and start work tomorrow is the latest fade. And don,t worry about speaking Thai there is English everywhere in its latest incarnation reboot. I think YouTube idiots that can,t count to ten in Thai are the cause of most of the misinformation and rumors as usual.
Paulo **********
@Jacob *******
I’ve been living in Thailand for just under a year I highly recommend to learn the Thai language
Jacob ********
@Paulo *********
Try explaining that to the 99.999% who refuse to. I have heard about every excuse possible. Learning Thai saves time, $$$ and much less stress understanding your surroundings not walking around in a bubble for years lost.
Paulo **********
@Jacob *******
makes your stay more pleasant too
Jacob ********
@Paulo *********
Everything is so much easier to deal with besides most Thais enjoy small talk just being friendly and curious. How many foreigners have you approached lately that looked welcoming enough to say hello to? I rarely ever approach foreigners for numerous reasons. Thais no problem feel very at ease around them.
Tom *******
My advice respectfully Mr
@Cr***
, and I do not think it has been mentioned yet.. Start learning to speak Thai language. This would be a good project for you to work on while you are chasing this dream. I am 3 years into studying Thai and still have a long way to go. Of course … visit as often as you can while you plan your future. Get a feel for The Kingdom and all it has to offer. Chok dee Krap! (Good luck)
Terary **********
@Tom ******
I have been here 10 years and I know maybe 10 words in Thai. Knowing Thai isn't necessary but probably there are benefits. Personally, I find it better that I don't speak Thai when the police pull me over. It seems they don't really want to take the time to try to explain stuff in English, so the bribe remains pretty low. If they could explain that I needed to pay more for this or that, I might have to pay more.
Shawn *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tom ******
ขอบคุณนะเพื่อน
Rob *************
You start by doing extensive research by typing the same question into Google. It will give you multiple links but click on the official Thailand Immigration site and it will break down all the necessary Visas available to address your age and how much money you need.

After you read it all, you can post your next question here if you don’t understand something.
Shawn *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Rob ************
thank you for telling me to google it. That’s helpful
Rob *************
@Shawn ******
you’re welcome. 😜
Frank *********
All I can say is WOW … 🤣
Shawn *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Frank ********
thank you for nothing
Frank *********
@Shawn ******
is reality ..

No hard feelings 🙏
Blake **********
Zakattackcali on tiktok is 18 and been living there since December. He does great on what stuff costs, travels and just daily life. From what I have seen he doesn't spend much money.
Beverly **********
$$$$
Beverly **********
Start your own multi-million dollar company and then open an office in Thailand. You'll have to hire Thai workers, of course. Get familiar with the laws and procedures. Or if you are a licensed professional teacher, get hired by an international school.
Lloyd ****
Get serious
Shawn *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Lloyd ***
what recommendations do you have?
Ernesto ********
@Shawn ******
I recommend forgetting about citizenship. Never gonna happen. Either buy elite visa or wait till you turn 50 for extension based on retirement. Look at Dvt. You have a long way to go and you don’t sound prepared
Danny *******
You start by getting a passport and getting some actual travel experience. If money is an issue, sign up for couchsurfing, join housesitting groups, and stay in hostels. Learn how to travel cheaply on your own first before just coming fresh faced in Thailand and being taken advantage of like every other idiot out here fresh off the plane. These people do nothing but drive up rental prices for everyone so that the landlords can pay off their debts.
Pete ********
@Danny ******
Americans and Canadians are wrecking the place the same way they did with Mexico. Throwing stupid money at cheap rentals etc.. These so called digital nomads are nothing but a bunch of posers and have no idea
Thomas *************
@Pete *******
lol to find 10 Americans in the same area of Thailand you will have to search through 5000 Russians first
Danny *******
@Pete *******
Haha. The thing is when these people ruin one place, like Bali for example, there will always be a new Bali popping up -- you just have to go where the locals go. It's so funny when people find out I lived in Greece and immediately say they want to go to Santorini and Mykonos like it's the whole country 😂 meanwhile the locals will go to Andros, Paros, Naxos or any of the other 5,000 islands...
Jacob ********
@Danny ******
You hit the nail on the head. Dumb foreigners create inflation throughout Southeast Asia. Tossing money at the Thais creates the belief that all foreigners are gullible. So the next guy that comes along like me and has to deal with the consequences. I taught myself Thai to avoid places like Hua Hin lost foreigner central..
Joseph ****
You need to live in Thailand for a part of your life before declaring you want citizenship and be taken seriously. You don't know what the DTV is nor how to look it up? Definitely not ready for citizenship. Thailand is great. Go live there a year or five. Citizenship is an entirely different conversation. And I believe males naturalized as a Thai citizen have to renounce their original citizenship. What then if Thailand doesn't work out for you?
Angelo ***********
@Joseph ***
With a DTV he most likely wont get citizenship anyway. One requirement is to consistently pay taxes.

Strictly speaking a digital nomad is supposed to pay taxes ... but the DTV visa allows for "other activities".
Joseph ****
@Angelo **********
Okay, well at this stage in his life, OP needs to first visit and stay for a while. If he falls in love with Thailand, he'll need to be mindful of the long term requirements for living in there, whichever path he chooses/can qualify for. So I hope he's reading all these responses and is getting a better idea of his options and decisions to consider.
Kieran *******
@Joseph ***
on paper you need to renounce your original citizenship but I’ve heard that’s not really enforced and you can remain a dual citizen. That said, Thailand takes many many years to be eligible for citizenship and you need to be a resident for 5 years, and be proficient in speaking and writing Thai.
Angelo ***********
@Kieran ******
That is not true. There is no renouncing of original citizenship.
Joseph ****
@Kieran ******
I'll defer to you on that. I've read otherwise, but my own two adult children have managed to not lose their Japanese citizenship, even though, technically, they were supposed to choose that or their American citizenship when turning 20. But if OP looks to naturalize as a Thai, it might be harder to evade the rule. Anyway, as you rightly state, OP would have be able to speak, read and write Thai first anyway.

The DTV is probably what he wants to investigate.
Shawn *******
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@Joseph ***
I appreciate you writing and I think you are correct with having a history with the country. I’m interested in peoples opinions of what the best track is for my situation. What experience have you had with the DTV and would you recommend it?
Joseph ****
@Shawn ******
I first started visiting Thailand as a recreational kickboxer in 1987. (Man, where did those years go?...) I continued to visit during the 90's for business, then took two decades off. I have resumed visiting several times over these past 15 months, spending far too much on hotels. I am seriously considering making the move. The DTV offers several ways of qualifying and I'm currently exploring that. As I'm close to 60 years old, I could also get a retirement visa, but I'd prefer to stay active and work within the DTV regime. Anyway, for you, the DTV is probably the way to go. But as you are also American, why not come first on the visa exemption program? You just show up and they give you 60 days. No charge. You can extend for another 30 days after that, 2000 baht, I believe. So you can really stay for 90 days. Not a few expats then leave Thailand for a few days and visit Cambodia, Maylasia, Laos, etc., then re-enter Thailand and start the process all over again. Why don't you get a feel for staying here a while and see if Thailand is for you? As soon as you decide to pull the trigger, you can apply for the DTV. But for now, save your money and just come. At least, this has been my process for a little while.
Jared *********
I live on $2000-$2200 usd a month here. Comfortable but not extravagant, nor a lot of partying. It all depends on your lifestyle and what you're used to.

While some say they live on $1k or $1.5k a month I would be miserable in a tiny old studio apartment and living on the food that allows. There are others living on $5k or more a month as well.

I cook once a day and eat out once a day. Mainly local food and occasionally international food a couple times a week. I have a few drinks once or twice a week. Take a few trips locally for sightseeing and occasional international flight. Have a 60sqm condo with ocean view (this is still tiny compared to what I had in usa) that is comfortable but not luxury.

Visa - DTV is good. There are some other more expensive options as well.

Income - plan on having international sourced income or passive income.
Angelo ***********
@Jared ********
I live for less than 1k in Bangkok. And most of my expenses are: beer. So no idea what you are doing.

In Isaan I live on less than $500

My apartment in BKK is just perfect. Silent. No traffic. Top floor. And cool. I sleep with open windows at night. And now while typing this: I sit ground floor outside at a nice sitting area.

Just because people know how to live on a small budget does not mean they live in a poorer environment than you.

Who the funk wants to live in a place like Pattaya anyway?
Wade **********
@Jared ********
sounds exactly like what I spend and do and very happy!
Shawn *******
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@Jared ********
I would live a fairly comparable lifestyle . I enjoy nature more than clubs. 
Jared *********
@Shawn ******
sounds good to me as well. Basically I'm living on
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of my budget in usa. In Dallas area my monthly was about $8-9k and here is $2-2.2k. Smaller house, different foods, no car as of yet but love it here
Louis **************
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Shawn *******
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@Louis *************
so what would you recommend starting with a non immigrant visa?
Louis **************
@Shawn ******
yes,look carefully at the different visa options.If you want to stay long term you will need a proper visa and that should be a priority.Once you understand what you need to stay here,it will help you with your plans.You can come on a tourist visa for 60 days and extend for 30 days more,then work on what you need to do to stay Long term
Louis **************
Also,I am not sure what type of non immigrant visa you would qualify for but that is the best option if available.
Shayne **********
DTV Visa will get you there!
Shawn *******
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@Shayne *********
can you tell me a little about this option?
Shayne **********
@Shawn ******
tried but couldn't send you a message. There's plenty of youtubes out there now.
Rene ********
@Shawn ******
it's a new thing. Better Google it
Kool *******
@Shawn ******
for the DTV visa you need a legitimate remote job, and at least the equivalent of bt500,000 in your bank account.
Shawn *******
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@Kool ******
can you have it in an investment portfolio or it has to be cash?
Helen ********
@Shawn ******
it depends on the embassy you apply at but the majority wants to see it in an easily accessible bank account and won't accept crypto or a portfolio. Basically showing you can support yourself. There is a lot of info out there and a lot of misinformation. Join the Destination Thailand Visa (DTV) group and have a read. Agree with everyone saying to come here for a while first.. you can look at visa exempt for 90 days total. Or the METV which, is used properly can get you close to 9 months.
Kieran *******
@Shawn ******
cash. You don’t need a remote job either. There is an option for soft power which requires you to have a doctors appointment or a scheduled activity
Jet ********
If you plan on not working, you need a lease $1 million and be very very careful how you spend money
Garry ********
@Jet *******
that's a bit much I think that 20,000 baht a week for 20 years, I'm always coming and going I have a house and family here and I've spent 70,000 in 2 months and I have twin daughters in nappies so my biggest expense are the nappies and milk formula and beers which would be 20,000 of that 70,000 and we have a/c going
****
and spent 6,000 baht every 2 weeks on groceries, so I do think you can live here for a lot less than a million over 20 years
Jet ********
@Garry *******
you think that way because you’re already married with children, he will be a single guy in his 40s. Trust me he’ll be hunting women like antelope.
Eddie *********
@Jet *******
cash flow
Jet ********
Well for you to get citizenship at 40 is gonna be very difficult and very expensive unless you get married
Shawn *******
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@Jet *******
I feel fairly confident I could marry. I’m currently single and have no children but if possible I would like to have my own citizenship handled before then unless it’s just a lot easier. I’ve been dating a Thai girl for a little while and she’s talked about it.
Lynnette *******
@Shawn ******
so you're dating her in the USA? Have you ever visited Thailand?
Paul ********
What he needs to think about is at 40 he is expected to live at least 30 years and leave the country to go home… big expense. Agent for visa. Medical insurance in later life. One visit to the hospital if no insurance is what will cost a fortune.
Jet ********
@Paul *******
the hospitals are not expensive that’s not true and you should have travel insurance anyway and carry your own medical insurance. Safety wing is a really good one. They’re cheap.
Paul ********
@Jet *******
your travel insurance only lasts about a month and he is talking about living here at 40. I have had friends have hospital bills of 400,000 baht for an accident.
Shawn *******
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@Paul *******
I’ve heard Singapore is the best and closest place for healthcare. Do you have any opinions on that?
Heather ******
@Shawn ******
medical is great in Thailand. I lived there for 2.5 years, I had to go through knee surgery..and it only cost $7000 USD and that included 3 nights in the hospital. Medical is cheap in Thailand compared to the US. My rehab was literally 100baht per 3 hour session, until I needed a more skilled practitioner, then that one was $50 US per visit. You can can an MRI in Thailand for $250.00...dental for cheap too and good! I do recommend, like other have...go live there for 1-2years first, see if it really meets your needs, then decide. Good luck on your dream!!! May it be everything you want!
Paul ********
@Shawn ******
I don’t mate
Brook ********
@Paul *******
“one visit to the hospital will cost a fortune”

555
Gary **********
@Jet *******
one mill ..that's a life in Thailand living like a king .
Pete **********
@Gary *********
1 million USD by Won't last him a lifetime unless he checks out by 60 or so. 20 years ...30 tops if he lives modestly....but he doesn't have enough. He's asking for cheap as possible with no income plan. He's daydreaming
Shawn *******
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@Jet *******
most likely I would work remotely for a US company. Eventually I would like to open some kind of business but I would not want that to be a factor in me getting my citizenship.
Damien ********
@Shawn ******
man , did u do ANY research before ??

To become a Thai citizen you will need to live in Thailand for years and speak , read and write Thai fluently and sing the Thai national anthem!

You will also be assessed on your value and contribution to the Thai community.

Very few foreigners are ever granted Thai citizenship because they don’t need you here.

Your just another farang in a country who’s never going to accept you as anything but a farang

Chokdee dreamer !
John **********
@Shawn ******
I suspect you're confusing citizenship with the ability to live here. These are two very different things
Frank *********
@Shawn ******
Your not getting citizenship

Get that outta your head bro

Get in touch with the real world

Is not fantasy land 🙏
Robert *********
@Shawn ******
you reveal how non informed you are by saying you will get your citizenship .

First you need to do a lot more research .

A lot lot more .

Have you been to Thailand ?

Everything is doable,but without being well informed you will last months not years .

I love Thailand and wish you the very best of luck .

For starters

Contact your nearest Thai embassy and find out your options .

Not FB !! The embassy .

Good luck bud
Jet ********
Colorado ******
@Shawn ******
whoa there, big fella!! citizenship?!
Shawn *******
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@Colorado *****
yes that is correct
Colorado ******
@Shawn ******
why? you realize how limited you will be, if ever want to travel to the US or Europe, or many other destinations on a Thai passport, yes?
Kool *******
@Shawn ******
to get citizenship you first must get permanent residency. To do that you must legally work in Thailand, making at least bt100,000 a month, for at least three years, paying Thai income tax each year, then after you've received permanent residency after the two year wait while everything is processed, and the interviews are done, after five more years working and paying income tax, you can apply for citizenship. There are lots of other requirements, but none of them mean anything if you don't legally work in Thailand. Remote work, and not paying Thai income tax doesn't work.
Jon ***********
@Kool ******
no, subscribe to citizenship forum, become informed 🤣
Shawn *******
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@Kool ******
thank you 🙏
Manuel *********
@Kool ******
this. If you don’t work for a Thai company with a work permit you can’t get citizenship
Kool *******
@Manuel ********
there is no Thai company requirement, just that you work here legally, and pay your income taxes.
Manuel *********
@Kool ******
that implies that the company is allowed to do business here hence it’s a Thai company…
Shawn *******
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@Jim *******
yes I am interested in advice for obtaining citizenship in the most cost effective way possible.
Pete **********
@Shawn ******
no can do
Darren *******
@Shawn ******
then you need a work permit and paying tax in Thailand based on your actual job based in Thailand and not a remote job based elsewhere.
Jim ********
@Shawn ******
You want citizenship of Thailand?
Colorado ******
@Jet *******
I’ve been able to live in Bangkok the last two months, in comfort with pool, eating mostly local, and under $1,000/month.
Jet ********
@Colorado *****
and I own my own condo and support my Thai son in college
Jet ********
@Colorado *****
I do also
*****
@Colorado *****
yeah, 2 months...
Colorado ******
@ ****
and your point is…?
Jon ***********
@Colorado *****
try $200 in provinces excluding rent 😸
Colorado ******
@Jon **********
my cost includes rent.
Jon ***********
@Colorado *****
cheapest rent here in provinces is like 2000 baht or about $70, I had whole house for 3500.
Robin ********
@Jon **********
where abouts you at ?
Jon ***********
Chiang Rai, I also have pool and bicycle daily for exercise, gym is about $1.25
Paul ********
@Jet *******
at 40 I think a mil is not enough money 🤔
Tony ********
@Paul *******
don't be daft
John **********
@Paul *******
if you had a mil and invested with a decent wealth management company you could earn up to 10% per annum, even 4% gives you 40k per annum. You'd never have to touch the capital
Gareth ********
@John *********
agree. Can live in Thailand very comfortably just on the interest alone.
Paul ********
@John *********
that’s what I do. But that assumes he has a million at 40
Michael ********
@Paul *******
A million baht in America ($25,000), you only make $100/mo. @ 5% interest. That pays for my cat food, squirrel food & bird food. A human can't even buy groceries for $25/week.
Paul ********
Michael ********
@Paul *******
I get that you use it for a few bucks a month interest. Was my math wrong? I used my currency converter. Can't live on $100/mo. like the guy before you said. I probably should have sent my comment to him.
Paul ********
@Michael *******
I play golf 4 times a week and costs over £60 a time and eat out a few times. Also buy Lazada and it’s on my Apple Pay.

So yes only a few bucks. Spent 75,000 baht so far this month
Sven ********
@Paul *******
i know people why came here with 10k and made it over here and i know people who came here with 250k and now can not even afford a plane ticket back to the US....

It's not about how much money you have, it's about you that needs to know HOW to make money over here or online 👌
Kimberly ********
@Paul *******
absolutely not - nothing is getting cheaper.
Jet ********
@Paul *******
I mean you can go out there and spend $1000 US a night on a woman if you want I don’t suggest it but that’s up to you
Jet ********
@Paul *******
you can live on $1000 a month but nothing fancy my condo cost me ฿10,000 a month that’s approximately US$300 transportation because I own my own scooter is approximately my payment is $56 a month and food and so forth $300 a month by utility bills about 200 depends on what you want
Luke **********
@Jet *******
this is just survival at $1000 a month , who wants to just survive for the rest of their lives 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
Paul ********
@Jet *******
yes but at 40 do you see him doing nothing all day. He could live up in a village for a mil. Would you go live in the village at 40?

I’m 61 and it’s ok for short trips atm
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