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What are the latest rumors about Thailand's long-stay visa requirements?

Digital Nomad Visa DTV Visa Extension Requirements Thailand Immigration Soft Power Visa Visa Rules for Expats Thai Government Visa Policies Long-term Stay in Thailand

Oct 21, 2024

2 months ago

Johannes *******

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Why? So many rumours and stuff even in seemingly legit news outlets??  It's about a long(er) VISA and could seriously impact lives negatively ;*()

Text/ screenshot reads: soft Power DTV need to re produce another letter/ proof about soft Power activity to Extend the first 189 (sic!) days....?!

PS: can you recommend good Websites with more factual..fatcs? 555

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Recent discussions among expats highlight confusion and concern regarding the new Digital Thailand Visa (DTV) and the requirements for its extension. Some rumors suggest that applicants may need to provide ongoing proof of eligibility, such as documentation of continuous medical treatment or participation in cultural classes, to extend their visa after the initial period. However, others assert that as long as individuals engage in border runs or fly in and out every 180 days, they may circumvent additional proof for extensions. The conversation also emphasizes the perceived leniency of the DTV compared to traditional visas, and various opinions suggest that the Thai government is trying to attract foreign residents and tourists to stimulate the economy. Many expats express frustration over the lack of clear and factual information regarding the visa process, calling for reliable resources.

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CY **********

We have set a minimum booking of 3 month class at Muay thai gym, otherwise normal turistvisa is 60 plus 30, so why grant this DTV for a 2 week class???????

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Mar *****

I'll have the whites Newtons south of Chumphon 😁

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Tod *********

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@Johannes ******

you realize you're talking about a visa that has only been out since July 15th right (100days today 😉 ) 😕

Seeing as most offices only allow you to apply for an extension when you have 30 days or less left on your current entry stamp that means not ONE SINGLE PERSON who has a DTV has gone for an extension yet. 🙁

NO ONE knows what the actual requirements will be, or really even what the cost will be (some say normal 1900baht, some say 10K)

It's gonna be another 2 months almost before the first batch of DTV'er's would even be allowed to apply for an extension for 180 days

How about we wait it out and see what's what once someone actually does successfully apply for an extension at an immigration office where they're staying? 😉

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ThailandV*********

Thailand did the "Digital Nomad" visa kind of last but they did the Best and easiest kicking everyone out of the park. I tried Croatian, Spanish, Malaysian, Japanese, Mexico, Columbian plus 20 others and everyone bite the dust with DTV. If people find this hard, Try Croatian Visa first to start in Europe, minimum wait time six months and tons of paper work, Spanish even harder.

There are 19 countries in Europe offering "Digital Nomad visa " , all "Developed Countries" and show me one country which is this easier like Thailand.

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ThailandV*********

Bangkok Post is western outlet, they are backed by jealous expats who are unnecessary creating troubles for DTV visa as they are on expensive visa and cannot digest that DTV is far more simpler, being coming to Thailand for over 2.5 decades working from home back in the day when it was not even called "Work from Home" or "Digital Nomad" just freelancing and NEVER EVER I saw a Single THAI who cared for what Visa I was on but plenty of "foreigners" interested in what visa I was on. Even Thai immigration have happy go lucky attitude unless one created trouble here but the western news outlet seems to be creating trouble for DTV holders out of nothing, they are forcing immigration to create more strict rules for DTV, let it slide, no one would care.

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Ray ******

They should have made it clear that you have to always show an appointment or receipt each time you go in, because many people wouldn't do it

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Lee ***********

This is a global move to relax tourism, Thailand are being smart, I don't agree with the soft side, but a alot of other countries are attracting digital nomads or freelancers who can prove income. Spain are at the forefront in the EU so why not. Yes it's being abused, but it was before. That's not the point, the visa is a positive and good move, it's just a little too relaxed. Some things need to tighten, but that's across the board tbh.

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Michael ********

What is this talk of “extend the 189 days?” I thought it’s 180 days + extend 180?

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@Michael *******

it's an article with mistakes

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Cliff *********

Why do you believe everything you see in the newspaper?

The embassy websites do not say anything at all about the renewal or about any additional requirements at subsequent entries.

Try not to spread gossip and misinformation.

Kap

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Oliver ********

As long as you go on holiday occasionally, you will get a 6-month entry stamp each time upon your return so no need for extensions - I can't imagine many expats never go away, except perhaps elderly retirees who would be better off with a retirement visa.

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Greg ********

@Oliver *******

The question being asked though is regarding re-entry or extension once your soft power course or treatment is over. What happens if the Immigration Officer wants to see proof you are still eligible ie ongoing enrollment or treatment?

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Oliver ********

I think that's unlikely given the effort that would be involved with re-training all the border officers to assess what qualifies as ongoing for each of the many DTV options, but indeed anything could happen over the next 5 years

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Greg ********

@Oliver *******

The border bounce fee went from 500 to 1000 when visa exempt went from 30 to 60 days. They find ways to make revenue :-) :-)

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Greg ********

@Oliver *******

Retraining is easy if money is involved:-)

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Keith ************

To extend a non-O, you must again show that you meet the requirements, including financial. I would assume the same with extending the DTV, in the country. But with Thailand, you never know :-)

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Michael ********

I dont get why it would be for the thai cultural activities or medical treatment etc - DTV should be for workation and remote working only.

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Stephen ********

This is pretty much why I am making full time digital nomads

I just want the list of the visa options and prices. Annoys me there’s all these stupid articles and everyone giving their opinions on everything. Just give us the prices and options. They all add all this BS for SEO and to look like experts.

I just want the prices & options. Simple.

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ThailandV*********

there is a muai Thai acadamy muaythaifever which does it for 30k and fitfac which has dedicated DTV page now, and dtvvisathailand (not sure if I can post the link so do google search) they will even return your money Full Refund if DTV visa is rejected not including the DTV visa fee for embassy but their charges.

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Stephen ********

@ThailandV*********

would love to have the info

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ThailandV*********

ok here

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yeah, because they are jealous as they are on expensive visa, I been coming to Thailand for over 2.5 decades, never ever I imagined that expats from west would be as jealous as others, they are creating unnecessary trouble as Bangkok post is owned by expats, its a foreign news outlet, I got the DTV visa, just go to Jakarta which is the easiest now, do it before eVisa takes over, just create a profile using chatGPT detailing your work 4-5 pages, get 500k Bank account statement , submit certificate etc, give as much paper as you could or you can get Muay Thai course for around 30k THB and you would get it, DO NOT WATCH tiktok, youtube, news for DTV, your BRAIN cells will go down with confusion. Do the old school way. Youtube is the WORST when it comes to anything Thailand. good luck

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Stephen ********

Even youtube videos are annoying, you click to find out: “How do I get the DTV” and they always do the same thing. Just read out what is on the embassy’s website and give almost no actual advice. So have hired a VA full time to sift through all of it for me. Then am just adding filters so I can search it.

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Ko *****************

DTV is issued by Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Immigration officers may counter check whether you are complying or not.

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Gregory *******

Why is it so hard to believe that the floodgates have been opened? They need the people! Bangkok was the most visited city on the planet pre-covid. I guess they are not giving up this position easily?! Yes, they are stamping 5 year visas to anyone with 500k in the bank who has some interest in Thailand. This is their plan! This increases tourism numbers, the average length of stay, spending, and, once Thailand is number one again, prestige as well! I wish every country did the same. Hopefully this will shake up the competition in the region. Looking at you Malaya!

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Sky *****

They're making it easy because there are so many unoccupied condo units nationwide. It's a big problem. The DTV is just a smokescreen to get people into those units. That's why the DTV barrier to entry is low. The Thai government do not care what your reason is, although they have to at least make it look half legitimate.

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Oliver ********

I think it's more about bringing more expats into the tax base (similar to how many self-employed Thais were tricked into the system through the various Covid-related handout schemes)

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Sky *****

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Yes, of course that's another incentive. But, no question, they want people to take up long term rental contracts, even if they're "not working" and only in Thailand for a 5 Year dental appointment! 🙄

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Michael ********

also wanting more tax residents for over 180 days in same calendar year once they decide about the tax on overseas remittances

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Sky *****

@Michael *******

Yes, that's still unclear. We'll see!

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Greg ********

That is a leap. 200k empty units in Bangkok - are you expecting 200k DTV's?

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Sky *****

Obviously not.

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Greg ********

So their cunning plan has failed at the first hurdle then? :-)

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Sky *****

It's part of the incentive. Did you think I meant they'd fill every empty condo in Bangkok with DTVers?! Sorry for the confusion.

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Greg ********

I honestly do not think it was part of any incentive or thought process at all. You really think the MFA when they came up with the proposal though. Hmm this will help the property market? As I said a big leap.

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John *******

I believe there are concerns with the economy in general, and this is a way to boost spending, without having to just focus on tourist.

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Greg ********

That was the reasoning behind this visa. The last PM Thabasin really pushed that. The MFA came up with the idea for the DTV and it was embraced enthusiastically. I think it is a great visa? Especially for those under 50

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Sky *****

OK. Thanks for setting me straight. Good to get an opinion from the inside.

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Chris ************

so are the condos cheaper then?

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Greg ********

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I am afraid not. They would rather leave empty than reduce prices. This is for both sales and rentals.

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David ********

There was an interview with the ministry of foreign affairs. He said you need evidence for extensions but no evidence if you fly out and back in again.

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Michael ********

I’m not sure how when you fly out and back again the officer will care about conditions of visa acceptance, they never ask if you still have 800k in the bank for retirement visa. You have valid visa, stamp and enjoy your stay

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yeah that’s what I’m saying. If you fly out/in there’s no questions asked. It’s only if you extend in country another 180 days they will ask for evidence of the reason you have DTV

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Greg ********

Are you sure that was the Minister for Immigration? If it was with the Canadian bloke "Retired working for you" it was NOT immigration - it was MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

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David ********

same same but different

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John *******

Actually not, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Immigration are two separate entities and often don’t see eye to eye. Immigration might ask for documentation if they see that you are doing border runs every 180 days

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Greg ********

Aye right

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Greg ********

The full quote and link to the article - no real change and as always been said - final decision is up to the Immigration Officer - no change to now.

"May be two weeks, one month, it's up to the applicant." And then if you wish to extend the 189 days at immigration, you need to provide another certificate or acceptance letter or other confirmation.

Pressed on the matter, he said such documentation is required when applying for the visa and when extending the visa inside Thailand, but usually not when actually entering the country -- although, of course "like in every other country, the final decision depends on the discretion of the immigration officer."

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Elías ********

This is true, but if you exit and reenter, then you will never need an extension. The extension is only for those who wish to remain 365 straight days, without going out.

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Greg ********

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If you read the full quote it states the Immigration Officer has discretion and final say on entry too. I place in evidence the previous cases with the Ed Visa :-)

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Paulie ********

what so it's up to the immergration officer at time of entry wether gives you the stamp or not that what your saying?

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Greg ********

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The Immigration Officer has discretion yes. This is no different to how it is now or has been in the past. The Immigration Officer has always had discretion and to ask questions. There is no change. Now it is very rare. Usually only happens to those in and out and living here in tourist visas or visa exempt. In the past ED Visas holders were sometimes questioned

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Greg ********

Just rebook your laser hair removal treatments - I am sure they are quite cheap 😃 :-)

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Tommy ********

Seemingly legit? It’s one of Thailand’s main media outlets.

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Lyle *********

I mean… why would they give you a 5 year visa for a 4 week Muay Thai or cooking class? Lol

You’ll most likely need to take a course every time to extend

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Ray ******

yeah. But they didn't say you need to do it every time if you fly in.... so it's just a once off

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Henrik *****

There is allready being made moves in that direction, some get another visa ie. medical, if that visa covers the period they need to be in Thailand.

Some embassies also look at the duration of the soft power activity used as ground for the visa

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Greg ********

There has been speculation that would be the case but many poured scorn on the idea. The initial DTV is a MFA Visa - extensions and re-entry are down to the Royal Thai Immigration Police - two very different entities. Anyway - as of now it is all speculation and guesswork - We will know in due time.

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Patrick ******

Stands to reason

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Paulie ********

No one knows but easy just do a border run.

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James ********

@Paulie *******

Yep 👍 simply do a BORDER BOUNCE... forget going to local Thai Immigration office for an extension.

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Greg ********

This is what some people suspected MAY happen - that you would have to provide ongoing proof of eligibility for the visa ie if your medical treatment is complete in say year 1 do you still qualify for the DTV for the full 5 years. However, having said that this is the first time I have ever seen it in writing outside of social media. I have said a few times the "Workaytion" is the one that will be the best option as long as you continue your remote work,

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Michael ********

I figured the same thing. I know some people that got it on soft power Muay Thai but gyms are helping people get that left and right. Better to do it on workcation so you don’t HAVE a to be proving you’re doing something…. You’re working online anyways

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Christopher *************

but once a 5-year visa is affixed in your passport with an expiry date, that's it. They won't revoke it.

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Greg ********

@Christopher ************

Ask the ED Visa people who had theirs cancelled when they no longer met the criteria

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Christopher *************

oh really? I'm surprised. OK

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Greg ********

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I know a couple of guys it happened to. Travelled while on ED Visa. Questioned about their progress kn the Thai Language course ie none. Refused entry on the ED and it was cancelled. Riles and the whims of whoever is in charge can change overnight. When "Big Joke" became head of immigration the Volunteer Visa disappeared almost overnight. Even legit places now cannot get these visas to legit volunteers.

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John *******

- but wasn’t there always a requirement around making progress in Thai language?

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Greg ********

That was the usual requirement for those at language schools. A guy I know of went kn a lads trip and was stopped from re-entering at BKK. He was questioned in Thai and could not answer despite being on ED for almost 3 years. He had to fly to Cambodia, apply for Tourist Visa. He came back and got sorted out with the correct visa ie B with WP.

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John *******

- at least he was able to come back in. Would be a nightmare to leave

on a trip and not be able to return to your apartment to at least pack

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Greg ********

I know. They let him keep his phone and he could post from the Immigration Detention room while waiting for flight to Phnom Penh..

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Christopher *************

oh God, OK. Well, good to know. The whole system in Thailand is based on everything being "on a whim" really. That's my impression anyway. If you have put down roots here, I would prefer to have as much security as possible. I have a Thai Privilege visa (when it was called Elite and wasn't quite as expensive as it is today). But it runs out at the beginning of 2026 so I am already on the lookout for something else. In the meantime, I have married a Thai, so I could get a visa based on marriage. But it's good to find out about every option. That's why I'm in this group.

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Andrew *******

a bit absurd though to expect people to have 5 years of ongoing medical treatment for example, and not clearly state that prior. But I know

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Greg ********

The whole thing was not thought out properly. It was the idea of the MFA and I wager they never consulted Immigration. Went straight to the previous PM who wanted economic growth and tourism was a main plank of that. Govt departments are run like fiefdoms in Thailand and they are very protective of their territory and their rice bowl.

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Andrew *******

I agree, none of them work together. And it wouldn’t surprise me to need these proofs for extentios or that it was never mentioned prior but crazy.

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Greg ********

Good news for gyms, medical facilities, cookery schools though

They can move to a subscription model and have ongoing recurring income. Think of the upsides :-)

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Ciaran *********

imagine getting a five year multiple entry visa for going to a concert!

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It is crazy when you think about it. As I have said this visa was the brainchild of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and not Immigration. In the UK it would be like the Foreign Office opening the doors and handing out visas without consulting the Home Office :-)

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Ciaran *********

it’s absolutely crazy. A friend of mine was renewing his marriage visa last week. They gave him doing cartwheels. I told him to forget it. Get the dtv. Take a holiday every 6 months.

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Immigration making him do cartwheels. They very the power to do same with DTV ie prove still qualify.

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Greg ********

I would make a larger wager that they were never discussed beforehand never mind mentioned. Whose rice bowl is being broken here ie who is losing income? Follow the money as always.

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Yiba *******

They would definitely do that

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Curtis ******

I know it's an unpopular opinion here, but honestly, would probably be a good idea if they did do that. Kind of stupid to allow people with a single doctors appointment or taking a week long cooking class access to your country for 5 years.

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Brian ********

tis a fair point.

My case - my single doctors appointment from BIH, led to 1.5million baht in medical fees. Every penny well spent. Thats just in the first 8 weeks of being here. My recovery from surgeries, add about 35k per appt.

Maybe I’m the outlier. someone actually going thru with the treatment. But BIH was busy.

Not sure what more could have been provided by BIH though, til they met me, I was just some dude on email.

But they’ve given me my life back now and I can recover in a warmer climate.

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Christopher *********

why is it stupid? Foreign people can't work and literally just spend money.

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Luit *****************

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Why do you think foreign people CAN'T work? They are not allowed to do.

But how do yo think all those so called tourists who live in Thailand for years, get their income?

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Christopher *********

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I work for a company in California after coronavirus they let us work online.

So I take no jobs from Thai people and spend money in Thailand. I have DTV visa.

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That means you are remote worker, and DTV makes sense for people like you.

But for a 3 months training or medical treatment giving a 5 year visa just does not make any sense.

People who really are working remote, like you and me are normally using this option for getting DTV.

But a lot of others here just want the visa because they want to stay in Thailand without valid reason to get one of the existing visa, and try to find a way to qualify for DTV, because it is very easy at the moment.

That makes the chances are high those people will take jobs from Thai.

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Maybe every country in the world should have an open door policy like the DTV then lol

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Christopher *********

you didn't answer my question. If tourist can't work then they are just spending money stimulating the economy.

I know Thai people who are happy foreign people come because it gives them a job at hotels at dental office for people like it's just stimulating the economy.

When COVID happened and it was shut down a lot of people lost jobs. They are happy the foreign people is back.

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Anecdotes do not make data

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Steve *********

U.K. has an open door

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@Steve ********

how is that working out 😂😂😂 what a mess that country is

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Nick ************

@Steve ********

not quite. You need a boat. A small boat grossly overloaded so it catches the eye of the Border force.

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@Steve ********

it has an open door policy until everyone who says it has an open door policy tries to bring their partner over and realises it doesn't have an open door policy and is in fact a pain in the bottom to get a visa for.

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@Steve ********

Absolute rubbish.

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Steve *********

so there aren’t thousands of illegals entering the U.K. then?

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Greg ********

@Steve ********

Yes. Running at about 30k per year if I remember. How is that an "Open Door" policy in immigration terms? PS: the clue is in the term you used ie illegal.

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Steve *********

open door as we let them in and give them more benefits then the elderly..

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Greg ********

@Steve ********

Again that is untrue. It is not worth discussing this any further. You seem to have no facts at hand. Bye

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Kay *********

Philippines allows people to stay without any such nonsense appointments for 3 years straight.

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Kay *********

It is very clear and hasslefree. Takes 20 min and just a few thousand peso

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Todd *********

no Kay they don’t. In Philippines the renewals are unclear and frequent. And expensive. Yes you can stay 3 years but to with multiple visits to immigration and $$. If you qualify for SRRV, it’s great. But if you are just a schmuck going back and forth to immigration it’s a pain in backside

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Tommy ********

Thailand is much more popular than the Philippines. And has long attracted many overstays, or people working illegally for many years. The Thai government should make any visa like this available for those truly who are eligible. If that means it’s more difficult, so be it.

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Paul *******

The Philippines is very popular as well. However, Thailand, being more developed and sharing borders with 4 countries is more accessible and hence, somewhat more popular. Regardless, the Filipino immigration system is still easier to navigate than that of Thailand, despite recent improvements.

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Tommy ********

for sure, no one wants Thailand to be bombarded with misfits who are faking their application or visa for 5 years. There’s enough of that during high season

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Greg ********

I have spoken to well educated professional Thai's and that was their comment too. Said OK - give us the same visa for the UK in a reciprocal agreement. They also thought a minimum spend/income to the country per month/year should be a requirement too

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Jim ***********

or us on O visas 5 years extension give . This DTV can't continue as is. IF holders need another hospital or dentist appointment every 180 days its a start.

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It will be interesting to see how it all works out. I am very risk averse and not a betting man. However, I first worked in Thailand in 1999. Been involved and covered Thailand from a global and regional role since 2002 for a very large company. Was based in Thailand for a global role in a major company at Director level reporting to C-Suite. I have picked up a thing or two how things work here 5555

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Jim ***********

when something too good be true usually is. I decided will renew O visa. This DTV too many future complications I think

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I am still considering it. An ex-colleague wants to set up a company and we were looking at the BOI Smart "S" Startup Visa. However if we do not do any business in Thailand we could use the DTV. I would prefer the company to be set up in Singapore for legal (Contract law and ownership) and financial reasons. No need to rush into anything right now though - only in planning/feasibility stages

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Jim ***********

O expires April and on Multi now need wait. Can extend 45 days early in Hua Hin, start march big decision need make but 90% renew O

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Wesley ********

No one knows yet

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What are the requirements and details for the Digital Nomad Visa (DTV) in Thailand?

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5 months ago

What is the new DTV visa in Thailand and how will it affect existing visa types?

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7 months ago

What are the current visa extension options and requirements for expats in Thailand as of late 2020?

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4 years ago

What are the latest visa extension rules for expats in Thailand?

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4 years ago

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