What are the implications of Thailand's app for tourists regarding privacy and COVID-19 tracking?

Feb 26, 2021
4 years ago
Rich ********
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Update:

I appreciate everyone’s sense of humor. Privacy is an illusion-check. Everything changes daily, so don’t stress about it-check. เข้าใจแล้วครับ

In response to a couple of comments:

-If it’s only for tourists that seems ineffective and arbitrary. If it were for everyone my privacy concerns would be mitigated.

-I’m going primarily to teach English, but the referal agency I got my TEFL certificate through has basically suggested I wait or choose somewhere else. So... feels like maybe I should put a pin in it for 12 months and check back. Lol

Original post:

Anyone heard about this? If it were really about covid why is it only tourists? I promise I’m not a conspiracy theorist but more concerned about privacy... thoughts?
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The conversation revolves around the implications of Thailand's COVID-19 tracking app for tourists, highlighting concerns related to privacy and the efficacy of targeting only tourists rather than residents. Users express mixed feelings: some see the app as a necessary measure for safety and proper tracking during the pandemic, while others view it as an invasion of privacy and an arbitrary rule. The discussion suggests that expats may need to reconsider their plans to move or teach in Thailand in light of these evolving regulations.
Martin ******
Great. I really need an app to do what my phone does automatically. Some Indian has been round and conned old Uncle Tuu.
Steven **********
Paul *******
Hardly any tourists are arriving now. Let's see what happens once covid is considered over.
Mike ********
Will this work with a nokia 3210 ?....(asking for a friend)
Benjamin ******
>but the referal agency I got my TEFL certificate through has basically suggested I wait or choose somewhere else

Great suggestion for them.
Hans *********
Its for hold us so free as possible from Covid and to see from what cams and how can be infectet. Because you cant trust the Disziplin from People!

Nobody say you must come if you dont like, we live nice and quiet here and want hold it so.
Suthep *******
Useless until no quarantine for 14 days, no one will come
David *******
@Suthep ******
Not true! I live in Thailand and if I want to travel home I firstly have to quarantine!
Suthep *******
@David ******
use science not power to control people
David *******
@Suthep ******
The vaccine is the science! The App displays that you have taken control!
Suthep *******
@David ******
lockdown is not science
David *******
@Suthep ******
The vaccine will prevent the need for lockdown!
Suthep *******
David *******
@Suthep ******
Obviously, you are against the need for lockdown or receiving the vaccine! I am in quarantine in a hotel in Qatar at the moment as I have tested positive for COVID! Its a nightmare! Hopefully, you or your family are not subjected to the COVID disease!
Paul *******
No problem. If it means I get to go to Thailand and see my love, then it's a no brainer. I'm in.
Kanokwan ***********
I just come back from uk too. I think mainly Thai people have an app called Thai cha na that track them where have they been. It easyer too make sure that you been in a covid area or not.
Kanokwan ***********
I don’t know about our covid number. But for me running away from the uk back here i feel like I make a good choice.

To do a ASQ for 15 days is too much,but it good for you that makes sure you have covid or not. All so make sure that you don’t bring covid in.
Manfred *********
no different in N.S.W Australia its the world we live in now...thanks China.
Alex ********
@Danny ******
I was relying to a comment about China.
Danny *******
@Alex *******
Even if China’s numbers are off 100 times, with their population they out perform the US in spades.
Alex ********
@Danny ******
what's the US got to do with what we were talking about?

Just admit you are a dickhead that cannot just say you made a mistake. Instead you have to just say something to make yourself feel part of it.

Get a life dude
Danny *******
Alex ********
Brian *********
Danny *******
@Manfred ********
Too bad other countries haven't controlled it within their borders as well as China has.
Alex ********
@Danny ******
lol....you really think they controlled it as good as you think?

Even their puppet WHO says they are hiding the real numbers
Danny *******
@Alex *******
I really doubt the WHO is a puppet of little Thailand.
Danny *******
I don't see this working well since most short-term tourist don't get a Thai phone but just use wifi. Even a spouse would have to have their own Thai phone. The biggest source of cases in Thailand have come from Burmese migrant workers, legal and illegal, so you know all of them aren't going to have smart phones.
Michael ********
@Danny ******
what they do in Singapore if yoi dont have smartphone you have and electronic tag its about size of a car key fob
Danny *******
@Michael *******
Sounds like a more practical solution.
Jeremy *********
Just buy a new phone before you come to thailand so their no history on your phone. Just a I dear.
ᘻᗅᖶᖶᗁᕦᙛ *******
That don't bother me. The fbi been tracking you for years nothing to hide . You want my dna? Take it
Laurence **********
Fxck me a lot of whinging cxnts then don't go to Thailand stay in your miserable cold country
Mateusz *******
I will not plan trip to Thailand any soon , unfortunatelly 😔
Azul ******
Good luck for the people to find new occupation in Thailand
Brian ********
My thought is ok I download their App but once I’m out of quarantine I leave my phone in my hotel room
Azul ******
Larry ******
Does this mean I will have to buy a cheap 2nd phone to keep at my house?
Shahniaz *************
They just Wana know how many tourist go to go go bar n soapy massage 🤣🤣 jokes apart locally they are using Thai Chan's as well as mo Chana for tracking ppl
Joachim *************
Well everything thats starting to happen in connection with covid was at the beginning called conspiracy theories....and now???? Its becoming a reality only the sheeple who will allow the world to control them
Lynnette *******
@Joachim ************
or the sheeple who believe every conspiracy. Lol. And follow blindly. . unable to do independent research.
Joachim *************
@Lynnette ******
but the conspiracies are becoming a reality so how can you call it blindly??
Brian ********
Joachim *************
@Brian *******
nailed it
Edna *******
Does this remotely mean a possible quarantine scrap, for those that are vaccinated from other countries 😂?
Edna *******
I think every country should have done this from the get go.
Todd ***********
Contact tracing is one of the main reason Thailand has been able to contain covid. This was evident in how they contained the spread in Samut Sakon. I hope all who try to cheat the system are caught and deported.
Shelby *******************
With everything people put on their phones that uses GPS, is this really any different???
Kal *********
Big brother the whole world.
Paula **************
We've had the phone app on Qatar fir at least 9 months.
Michael *******
Good idea
Moaya **********
It’s not a bad idea - it allows them to track virus outbreaks and isolate quickly - they can walk back the spreader and isolate when called for ... the mixture of this and virus Passports will help keep the kingdom Safe and open up some sectors quickly ...we are guests of the king and should do as our hosts ask ... seems simple , bitching about it seems entitled and out of touch with Thailand and it’s fundamentally cooperative sangha nature and structure ... if one does not like the rules one doesn’t need to stay and complain - there are other places to visit ...
Jonas *************
Actually, dice all some cards are tried to an ID/passport in Thailand they could just pull info of who was near a certain number at a certain time and send messages to those pepe.

No need to have another app that drains our batteries...
Brian *******
So glad ur concerned about privacy as you post on Facebook 🤣
Todd ***********
@Brian ******
Winning comment!
Ruth *******
@Brian ******
I’m sure it’s not loaded on their phones /s
Ruth *******
Personally, I’m ok with it. On Thanksgiving Day, I helped a homeless man who then told me he had tested positive for COVID. I called medical services for him, but I then could not track down if his story was true or if he was just trying to get shelter for the night, as the medic implied to me (turns out that his story was likely true, but no need for details). Anyway, I was needing to quarantine until I could find out. It was a royal pain. I would have much preferred a method where they could have tracked me down because I had been in touch with him and he tested positive.

I protect certain aspects of my privacy, but I recognize that much of it is already exposed. If the government wants to track where I am for contact tracing and to be able to reach me if I’m exposed to someone with COVID, I’m very ok with it. Google maps is already tracing me. They can even feel free to use it for future marketing plans.
Peter *********
All those saying we are already being tracked . Makes you wonder why they need an app then
Ruth *******
@Peter ********
because Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. don’t share data with health agencies.
Peter *********
@Ruth ******
that's right and that's what I was my point
Peter *********
Lol. But thai people dont need to use it
Bobby ********
Peter Stevens. It's only for tourists arriving in the country! 🤣🤣🤣
Peter *********
@Bobby *******
that's obvious otherwise they wouldnt be tourists. I think most would understand. Why only tourists who have proved they dont have covid by way of 3 tests and quarantine.
Bobby ********
Peter Stevens. I assume you're another disgruntled tourist who think that Thai intelligence services are watching you. Lighten up a little. It's no big deal.
Peter *********
@Bobby *******
wrong twice I have a house there . And I don't give a fk about anyone watching me because I have nothing to fear . But what I dont like is . Why it's not for all as surely anyone can get covid
Joeg ******
Guess what I just lost my cell.. 🤣
Bobby ********
Joeg Wolf. And yet you still managed to post a silly comment? 🤣🤣🤣
Joeg ******
@Bobby *******
it's over your head 🙄
Bobby ********
Joeg Wolf. Aha! Got it! You just lost your brain cell. 🤣
Bobby ********
This is only for tourists arriving in the country now. People here can still bumble along with Thai Chana which hardly anywhere enforces. So a lot of fuss about nothing
Bobby ********
Phil Jones. I can't see any problems with it. I think there's a lot of very sad people out there who think they're being monitored. If the Thai intelligence services want to watch I'm doing it's all good. They'll soon get bored. My life isn't that intriguing! 🤣 And yes, I get what you're saying. The same people who are screaming privacy breaches, are posting "just having a slice of pizza at Pizza Hut, with Harry, Stan and Sharon"!
Alvin ******
I came to the conclusion I was too late to care about privacy after Edward Snowden came out the closet and I realized I did not give a crap about anything that he risked life to reveal. I already opt-in everywhere to get relevant ads. I will gladly opt-in if it helps save a life.
Terry **********
Get a grip ffs
Bim *******
So what if you turn your phone off or uninstall it?
Paul *********
@Bim ******
flat battery???
Tim *******
@Bim ******
20 years in the Bangkok Hilton 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Carlo **********
Farang don't have human rights.
Mike ********
And if you did rear end him in the uk,you are usually at fault in the eyes of the law,.
Philip ******
They're welcome to track me from one gogo bar and smart hotel to another, chance would be a fine thing to be able to get there...
Bobby ********
Carlo Ruggiero. Stupid comment
Carlo **********
@Bobby *******
True though.
Bobby ********
Carlo Ruggiero. You obviously have no concept of human rights violations. Just another fragile snowflake! 🤣
Carlo **********
@Bobby *******
Oh yes,i'm so fragile,read Colin Martins,Welcome to Hell.
Bobby ********
Carlo Ruggiero. So you were kidnapped and brought to Thailand against your wishes? 🤣. Or are you here of your own free will? But not prepared to abide by the wishes of the host? There is a simple solution. You can always leave! 🤣🤣🤣
Carlo **********
@Bobby *******
I always abide by the law,what happens when i Thai crashes his motorbike into you?Who's to blame?
Bobby ********
Carlo Ruggiero. I've only had one crash with a motorcycle and I sent him flying. He ended up in hospital. I wasn't fined and the insurance paid up, so I guess it was his fault (which it was, although I didn't try that hard to avoid it 🤣🤣🤣). But I don't know what that has to do with a tourist tracker?
Carlo **********
@Bobby *******
No me neiter,but you were very lucky not to end up in the BH.
Ruth *******
@Carlo *********
don’t go, if you don’t like the country. It’s really that simple.
Carlo **********
@Ruth ******
When did i say that?
Bobby ********
Carlo Ruggiero. Why? The motorcyclist was at fault! 🤣🤣🤣
Carlo **********
I thought you said you sent him flying?
Bobby ********
Carlo Ruggiero. Oh I did. He cut in front of me, and I didn't want to brake harshly, so I took the easy option and took the bike out and unfortunately the guy went with it! 🤣
Bim *******
Just self isolate for the rest of your life. Simple.
Stu **********
Anyone not concerned is completely oblivious.
Steve *********
I'm fine with it. If it can replace some of the ludicrous pieces of paper that we're currently lumbered with!
David *******
@Steve ********
There is already an APP...Thailandplus! Will eventually be rolled out nationwide to people who have smart phone.
Bobby ********
It's for tourists entering the country. Why would people already here need to use that?
David *******
@Bobby *******
Stops you getting and giving Covid. Its for everyone!
Julian ********
@David ******
how does it stop covid exactly?
David *******
@Julian *******
COVID is like the cold and the vaccine will help reduce the number of new cases, will never stop...the world cannot continue the present situation.
Julian ********
@David ******
yes, you are right about the vaccine.
Bobby ********
David Bryce. The article I'm reading clearly says it's for tourists. Perhaps yours is different?
Joel ********
Really have to ask
Rob ******
Everyone is supposed to use morchana too 🤷‍♂️
Rob ******
My point is that this is not enforced at all
Halim *********
@Julian *******
is it mandatory to use the app. What happend if you dont use it
Julian ********
@Halim ********
it's not mandatory. You can write your data in a logbook manually instead when entering shops and restaurants.
Julian ********
@Rob *****
no, you don't have to.
Henrik **************
Dual phones 🤷🏻‍♂️
Roger *******
I guess those of us on retirement visas here still use the Mor Chana app?
Julian ********
@Roger ******
luckily it's not mandatory to use this app.
Phill ******
they been tracking your phone sims for years now .
Greg *********
Will it WORK? ThailandPlus doesn't.
Anton ******
It's called Chinese style communism not a theory
Tim *******
If it means I can get back into Thailand then sign me up. Only people who are hiding something will object to being tracked
Sam *********
@Tim ******
hahaha.. Yeah right... Its not about having something to hide!!

Have a good think about it!!
Janin ******
@Sam ********
, you can put off the location, so why bother!
Tim *******
@Sam ********
why are you bothered about being tracked? You are all ready tracked by Facebook and google they know all your moves. How does google know where all the traffic jams are in the world? It’s not because they monitor cameras, It’s because they are tracking everyone with a smart phone So what is the problem ?????
Sam *********
@Tim ******
That is true you are tracked by Facebook and Google. Its whats happening with the data and im not talking about just being tracked its what you are doing that is being used as a credit score!!

With governments marrying up to private business's your credit score will be judged on who you meet, what you buy, what you even post about poilicticly etc...

So its not about having something to hide, which is what you were saying originally..

The Chinese have had this system in for sometime already.. anyway its just a conspiracy right!!

Put your mask on, social distance, order your food to be delivered, dont travel .. Do as your told, finally everything is been done for you...Shut up ,be happy!!
Julian ********
@Tim ******
its one thing beeing tracked by a company that followes international laws or beeing tracked by a junta with questionable motives.
Tim *******
@Julian *******
if the Thailand secret service (does that even exist?) wants to track to see when I go to 7-11 or when I go to the lucky Thai restaurant or see how long I spend on the beach each day they are welcome to that information lol. And are you sure Facebook and google follow international laws all the time?
Julian ********
@Tim ******
i am sure they are more trustworthy than the ccp minions in the Thai government. but no one stops you from being a gullible drone. go on.
Tim *******
@Julian *******
lol it’s not a case of being gullible it’s more a case of not being a paranoid fool that’s scared of your own shadow. Why would you really think anyone would be bothered about your comings and going’s unless you are a bad person.
Julian ********
@Tim ******
has nothing to do with movement. misusage and selling of personal data is the real concern. Call center spam calls could be a result for example.
Tim *******
@Julian *******
I think you should move to the North Pole and come of the grid for a few decades. your paranoia is getting g the better of you this is not good for the stress levels
Julian ********
@Tim ******
your lack of common sense is shocking. Do what you want, but don't try to lecture people who are obviously smarter than you. Maybe you don't get spam calls, because you where rated too poor 😂😂
Steve **********
@Julian *******
be nice Julian, he may be your future neighbor.
Tim *******
@Steve *********
I am not in a state of paranoia so I won’t have to self isolate zzz
Steve **********
@Tim ******
time answers all, they say....i concur !
Paul ********
They've been wanting to do this for several years, Covid-19 has just given them the excuse they needed. Apparently it's for the safety and security of tourists 🤔
Lee **********
Most countries got one if want to download
Marc ********
Canada have to learn from Thailand
Todd *********
@Ma**
this is true. But Canada has been failing miserably at doing so for a year now. And it appears nothing is changing there.
Michael ********
Singapore has one but its everybody, you cannot get in anywhere without it.
Peter *********
@Michael *******
there is the point . It's for everybody not just tourists .
David *******
@Michael *******
I am working in Qatar and its the same. You cannot enter a shop without showing your app!
Gary *********
Good question.
Rob *******
Their country their rules

dont like ? it dont visit.
Tod *********
Thanx
@R**
, that was a typical, sheep-lik, sock-puppet, wanna-b-thai foreign apologist answer (y) Surprised you didn't manage to work into the post how long you've managed to live here too :P
Edna *******
@Rob ******
trouble is the rules are constantly changing.
Rob *******
@Edna ******
the world is constantly changing. & unless you have family in thailand you have no place being over there during a pandemic
Oliver *************
Rob *******
Oliver *************
David *******
Great idea
Julian ********
@David ******
but why only tourist?
David *******
@Julian *******
At the present time Thailand has done a great job keeping positive covid cases to a minimum. This is due to the prevention of tourists entering the country! I work in Qatar at the moment and all citizens, tourists, including expats, must have the Ehteraz App on their phones, which displays the individuals covid status. This must be shown to taxis, shops, bars, restaurants, etc etc. or you will not get access! Thailandplus App is downloaded on my phone for returning home, however, I do believe that the app will be rolled out nationwide!
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