Do I need to submit a TM30 report if I return to the same address in Thailand after a day trip to Laos?

May 23, 2023
2 years ago
Twiggy ******
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TM30: If the foreigner went to Laos and went back the same day (to have 29 more days in the passport) to continue to stay in our house, do we need to submit the TM30 report? Thanks.
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There is mixed advice regarding whether to submit a TM30 report when a foreigner returns to the same residence in Thailand after a same-day trip to Laos. Some users argue that it is necessary to file a new TM30 upon re-entry due to the passport stamp indicating a departure, while others believe it is not required since no overnight stay was involved. It is generally suggested to err on the side of caution and submit the report if there are any uncertainties, especially if future dealings with immigration are anticipated.
Umami *********
YES, in the expended law it sadly says so, at different IO's , rules can vary as usual, Landlords who fail to file the TM30 report regarding the attendance of a foreign tenant in their rented-out property will face a fine of 800-2000 Baht. Due to the considerably minor consequences, landlords may fall ignorant of the procedure, However, this could potentially impact the tenant’s Thailand residency status and future Visa applications. Certain sources have reported that Thai immigration officials are requesting the approval of TM30 reports in order to process Visa renewal - Do I need to re-register if I have been out of the country for a couple of days? Whenever you leave the country, Do I need to register if I have been on holiday and stayed at another hotel/guest house? Yes. The owner of the hotel/guest house will have registered you as a guest of the hotel/guest house. Once you return to your primary place of residence in Thailand, you must re-register END OF THE COPY/PASTE LINES. the end
Twiggy ******
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Thank you, Umami
Henrik ****
No, the TM30 should indicate a validity period. As long as you return to the same house stated in the TM30 and within the validity period, you should NOT rereport the TM30. Pls. do not confuse TM30 and TM28. TM28 have been updated in the past but is not being used any longer.
Jorge ****
This looks like a contested issue, but consider this: bureaucrats feed on paperwork (justifies their work?), and will *never* complain if you throw too many docs, applications, photocopies, etc., at them. On the other hand, there could be consequences (of the unsavory kind) if a piece of paper is missing. CYA.
Brown ********
@Jorge ***
Nicely said
Twiggy ******
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@Jo***
, I think so too. More (even if unnecessary) is better than less 👍
Bob **********
Depends on the office jomtien told me no
Twiggy ******
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Thanks for the information,
@B**
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John *****
If you leave and re enter the country, there will be a stamp in your passport, thus you shd do a new TM30
Twiggy ******
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Thanks
@Jo**
Ruth *******
Wait! Am I understanding this correctly? Every time I travel out of the country, I will need to inform my landlord? (I have not yet moved to Thailand, but I hope to within a few months)
Steve *******
@Ruth ******
welcome to illogical immigration rules hell 🥳 at least the crispy pork is cheap and delicious 👌
Steve *******
@Ruth ******
what are you talking about? This is a Thailand visa group.
Ruth *******
@Steve ******
lol. Sorry. I’ve been in ridiculous debates in other groups regarding the debt ceiling in the U.S. and folks are blaming all sorts of things like immigrants. Honestly, these debates all look the same sometimes. When I click on a tag, I don’t see the whole post on my phone, of course. Mea culpa.
Steve *******
@Ruth ******
no problem. Murrica is full of ignorance and loud mouths, it is widely known.

But the immigration rules in Thailand are not based on logic, that was my point 👌
Ruth *******
@Steve ******
agreed on both fronts.
Brandon ************
@Ruth ******
you need to check the policy of the immigration office where you live because you might need to inform your landlord every time you spend the night somewhere else and return also.
Ruth *******
@Brandon ***********
Thank you for letting me know, though. I would think that the amount of travel I have planned would prove annoying for a landlord to need to keep on record :-(.
Brandon ************
@Ruth ******
if your landlord will register online they can just submit online. Or if they are willing to give you the password you can do it yourself.
Ruth *******
@Brandon ***********
thank you...I'll continue with my plans (they were, after all, years in the making) and hope for the best. Otherwise, plan B, I suppose.
Ruth *******
@Brandon ***********
hmmm...so, you don't think a landlord will mind? I guess I can only try and see.
Brandon ************
@Ruth ******
it doesn't really matter if they mind. They're legally required to do it if it's what your immigration office wants
Ruth *******
@Brandon ***********
I'm just thinking that avoiding friction with one's landlord is a good thing, but you are right. It is a legal obligation. Thanks again.
Brandon ************
@Ruth ******
it really comes down to this.

The ONLY time you'll ever need a TM30 is when you go to use immigration for some reason. If you won't be going to immigration between your trips don't worry about the TM30.

A few weeks/months before you plan to go, ask your landlord to do one and give you a screenshot. Immigration doesn't check the details they just want to see that you have one.
Ruth *******
@Brandon ***********
That was the impression I had gotten over the last couple years, which is how I had forgotten about the issue of a landlord needing to submit the TM30 for one's comings and goings. I just don't want to run afoul with immigration. Can you tell I'm a rules-follower? Yes, Thailand will drive me crazy on that front :-).
Ruth *******
@Brandon ***********
Now that you mention it, I do remember this from a couple years ago, which is when I started reconsidering whether Thailand would work and was considering elsewhere. I had unfortunately forgotten. I now need to be in Thailand frequently enough (for medical reasons) that Thailand made sense as a homebase. Now, I'm not so sure...so frustrating, because I was all set to move at this point. Aaaargh!!!
Twiggy ******
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@Ru**
, I think you need to inform your landlord every time you travel out of the country, so when you come back, they can submit the TM30 within 24 hours.
Tonino *****
@Twiggy *****
As you are getting mixed answers, let me tell you the correct one for peace of mind. Recently, I went out and in, and continued staying in the same place. I went to the immigration, and asked a officer about it, and she said that the TM30 HAS TO BE UPDATED...
Brandon ************
@Tonino ****
that's the correct answer for your immigration office but you can't say it's the correct answer for everyone as each office has their own policy on this.
Tonino *****
@Brandon ***********
Means that other offices and their policies on this matter are incorrect if they say otherwise.
Brandon ************
@Tonino ****
that's not how Thailand works
Twiggy ******
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Thanks
@Ton***
. I finally sent the TM30 online for the peace of mind.
Adelina *********
I know someone who does this each time and says we have to do it within 24 hours or you get a fine. My question is, can the landlord update it or do we have to?
Brown ********
@Adelina ********
unfortunately landlords aren't the ones who cop the actual fine even though immigration say it's the landlord's responsibility. It's a rule based to scam people if you ask me. If it was legit they'd send a fine to the landlord as apposed to taking money from the tenant and telling them to get reimbursed by the landlord
Adelina *********
@Brown *******
when do they do this? When you go to extend your visa?
Brown ********
@Adelina ********
yep. I was misinformed by my property manager when I went to do 90 days reporting and the immigration slammed me with a 1600 baht fine. It's just a rule to extort money from farang as far as I'm concerned
Twiggy ******
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@Ade****
, the landlord will get a fine if they don’t submit within 24 hours. The landlord needs to do that TM30 but Immigration people put that pressure on the aliens. Each time an alien contacts Immigration office, he/she is asked about TM30.
Adelina *********
@Twiggy *****
ahh I see. Ok I might ask my landlord if they will do it within the 24 hours, if not I’ll handle it. Thank you for this advice 🙌🏻
John *******
It cancels. As you pass immigration so yes
Shane ******
Pretty sure if you stamp out and back in you need to do tm 30. If you travel within thailand and return to the same address, a tm 30 is not needed upon return, if you have done the tm30 at that address previously.

This is what was told to me by an IO.... but tit, I'd just call and ask to be on the safe side.
Twiggy ******
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@Sh***
, thanks for your reply. I submitted online to be safe.
Charles ********
Almost every immigration office requires you to file tm30 if you reenter the country. I believe chonburi is the one exception. Just because you didn't stay overnight doesn't matter. When they look you up they will see you last entry was later then your last tm30 file.
Jeffrey **********
@Charles *******
Oh, when did immigration get computers and start cross refrencing things?
Twiggy ******
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@Cha****
, thanks. I submitted online finally.
Kool *******
Technically anytime someone leaves the country, and comes back, the place the person is staying at is supposed to file a new TM30.
Twiggy ******
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Thanks
@Ko**
. I sent TM30 online.
Jeremy ********
No, you never stayed over night anywhere
Twiggy ******
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@Jer***
, I also think the same. The foreigner went to another country is like to leave the house but they never stay overnight there.
Graham ******
@Twiggy *****
but he has a new TM7
Twiggy ******
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@Gra***
, no TM7 form this time, only a stamp on passport allowing 30 days to stay. The guest is an ASEAN citizen and can go in and out many times a year.
Jeremy ********
@Twiggy *****
you only have to put it in if you stay overnight anywhere other than your home or place you stay in...if you have a hotel room and go for a visa run and go right back to the same hotel on the same day the hotel wont put in a new TM30 for you
Twiggy ******
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@Jer***
, although I think I don’t need to do, I finally submitted the TM30 online to be safe. It’s fast and easy.
John ********
@Twiggy *****
what’s the link to submit a TM30 online, thank you
Twiggy ******
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@Jo**
, you will see in the website
Twiggy ******
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@Jo**
, it’s in the Thai Immigration website but your landlord needs to register first.

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Jeremy ********
@Twiggy *****
no problem then…good luck
Ian ********
I traveled to NZ for 3 weeks, upon returning and applying for my Non O

I only had to go to the TM30 office and just update TM30.

Really easy.
Twiggy ******
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@I**
, you went there for 3 weeks so it was sure that you needed the TM30.
Ian ********
@Twiggy *****
I already had a TM30 for my condo and they just wanted me to go with the old one and update it.
Bob *******
⬆️ three different answers!
Graham ******
Officially yes but realistically only if you plan to use Immigration for an extension of stay or a visa
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
Not if you're staying at the same place.
Twiggy ******
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@Gar****
, thanks for your reply.
Jeremy ********
no you never stayed over night anywhere
Gordon ********
To be 100% correct yes you do.
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