Do I need to leave Thailand every 90 days with a multiple entry Non-Immigrant Type O visa?

May 24, 2018
6 years ago
Cambodia **********
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I was sent here because some good folk on the Pattaya oracle forum suggested you could help. I have been getting 10 different bits of information from Thai agencies, immigration and helpful farrang. Here goes... I have the following visa (below). My wife tells me it's a spousal visa, but here is where the trouble starts... I got in December 2017 and it cost $200. We had to show all kinds of docs, including our house papers (in Thailand). It is valid for a year and is is multiple re-entry. However, we have been told by 2 Thai officials and an agency that every 3 months I need to leave Thailand and come back in to extend, so I have booked a trip to Cambodia. Since then a bunch of people have told me that I should not have to leave Thailand and just report every 90 days. I have not yet done the 'show 400,000 in your bank account' bit and plan to do that a bit later. So my big question: do you think it is mandatory that I leave every 90 days?
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user holds a multiple entry Non-Immigrant Type O visa, which requires them to leave Thailand and re-enter every 90 days to receive a new entry stamp. While the visa is valid for one year, the stay duration for each entry is limited to 90 days, making border runs necessary unless they obtain a yearly extension based on marriage, which involves additional financial documentation.
Robert *******
All names and options has been discussed over and over. The use of correct terminology is important to get the correct advice. The OP know now what to do and how to go on. Thanks all for your input.
Ravi **********
How many country
Anthony *************
You should remove the photo and your name and passport number for your security..
Robert *******
@Josh *********
Do you have a stamp like this in your passport? This is an example so please don't look at the red text retirement.
Josh *******
yeah ain't that the truth ! Well i'm jumping on an ED visa in a months time,i heard its only 9 months now, true or false ?
Josh *******
Tod if i felt that way you would have had a keyboard warrior throwing threats ;) no offense taken, and i am happy that i am more knowledgeable about it now , thanks and again to you and rob
Robert *******
@Jo**
, no problem. But naming things with an easy name makes it confusing for all of us. And I know as Tod also said even Immi officers use these names.
Tod *********
@Jo**
, please know I meant no disrespect to you trying to clear up the terminology.
Josh *******
@Robert ******
Hey rob, tod just explained it clearer than anyone has before, clearly there was a loss of complete understanding when mhs chief told me. I didn't mean to give flase info but as i was just told one thing by someone i assumed knows his job i thought i would pass on my experience. But the guy clearly was off the mark a little whilst explaining, but thanks to you both anyways !
Josh *******
well tod i would like to thank you for clearing that up for me, and it explains what he said, i have seen you know your stuff and i and everyone alike appreciates it, its a lot easier hearing that from you rather than a thai, even if their english is rather good
Tod *********
@Josh *********
If you were talking to the immigration officer in MHS and he used the term marriage visa I am 100% sure he means a yearly extension of stay based on marriage that you get from the immigration office, and on that you would only report to them every 90 days.
Tod *********
@Josh *********
it's because there are TWO completely different things that people call a marriage visa; a year-long, multi-entry Non-O visa that you get from a thai consulate in another country where you bounce every 90 days AND a year long extension of stay that you get from the immigration office where you do 90 day reporting.

Every Tom Dick and Somchai foreigner and thai alike call BOTH of those things a marriage visa but they are completely different things entirely
Robert *******
Thanks, there is no such thing as a marriage visa in Thailand. So your advice is not really helping anybody. So please talk again with your immi source in MHS and use the correct name. Or you talk about a Non Immigrant O visa based on married to a Thai National, OR you talk about the Extension of Stay based on being married to a Thai National.
Josh *******
i'm asking my own questions, i don't have a marriage visa yet, i was inquiring about one and what you have seen me type down is what i was told. What i have in my passport has nothing to do with any of this. I was just passing on to the OP what i was told by immi in MHS
Josh *******
@Tod ********
if thats the case then why is he telling me on a marriage visa to only report to him every 3 months? Not baeng soucy but the main guy, im not talking about a metv im talking a marriage visa, so is it 3 month border bounce or 3 month visit to immi ?
Tod *********
And now you see the many problems and misunderstandings that arise when "blanket terminology" like "marriage visa" is used in situations :O

No one knows IF you have a year long, multi-entry Non-O visa OR a yearly extension of stay.

At least in this case the O/P posted a picture of his VISA but even though he did that he still got wrong answers from some people. :/
Tod *********
@Cha****
or fly to KL in the morning and right back that afternoon. You get that 90 day stamp by land or air.
Cambodia **********
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I am very thankful for the advice given here mate. I know now that I have to get my big butt to Cambodia. Hahaha
Luke ******
God I have been reading this thread and if I was the OP i would be confused.

To the OP.

You have a multiple entry non O visa valid for 12 months. That means you are allowed to enter Thailand as many times as you wish during those 12 months. Every time you enter Thailand you receive a permission of stay of 90 days. At the end of that permission to stay, you either need to exit Thailand or extend your permission of stay.

In the first circumstance, what some people choose to do is border runs. That means, you exit Thailand and reenter, and upon reentry, you will be given a new permission to stay of 90 days.

Now, any 90 day permission of stay for the type of visa you are on can be extended at local Immigration for 2 reasons:

- for the purpose of visiting Thai wife - 2 month extension

- for the purpose of marriage - 12 month extension

Supporting documents are required.

Now, OP, when you last entered Thailand, you have been granted a permission of stay of 90 days, that you have extended at local Immigration for another 60 days for the purpose of visiting Thai wife.

Note that at this stage, a further extension for the purpose of visiting Thai wife is not possible anymore, you are limited at one 60 day extension per 90 day permission of stay.

So your options are:

Leave on or before June 10th, and upon reentry receive a new permission of stay of 90 days.

Extend your current permission of stay for 12 months at local Immigration for the purpose of marriage with the supporting documents and funds required.
Luke ******
Charles Campbell Sorry for the delay man but suggestions keep coming up in my head.

Be aware that any person that spends more than 90 days consecutively in Thailand has to do a 90 day report.

Now I understand you entered Thailand on January 11th. 90 day reports can be made 15 days before or 7 days after the 90 day deadline. You could not have made a 90 day report on the March 19th on your last visit to Immigration when you got the 60 day extension because it was too early to report.

So you should have made a 90 day report somewhere between March 27th up to April 18th.

Have you done that?

If yes, fantastic.

If no, next time you interact with local Immigration to get an extension, you will be fined 2,000 baht.

Obviously, if you only get 90 day permissions of stay that you never extend, and do border runs, a 90 day report will never be needed. But on this occasion, you are staying 90+60=150 days.
Cambodia **********
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@Luke *******
that's important to know!
Luke ******
@Charles *********
And also to add on on what I have said, since ANY 90 day permission of stay can be extended for either 60 days (visit thai wife) or 12 months (marriage), you will also have the option to extend your next 90 day stay should you wish to do so, for 60 days, for the purpose of visiting Thai wife, the same way you have done it so far, once.
Cambodia **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks Luke. That pretty much sums it up!
Josh *******
Mario Bronx is that your experience ? i spoke to the chief mae hong son immigration officer just last week, he told me no need to leave, just report every 3 months to him. Thats coming from chief of immigration of the province, not word of mouth, not second or third hand, but directly from him. I doubt it differs per province
Tod *********
@Cha****
Or you can just border bounce june 10th to get another 90 day stamp on your existing visa and work on getting the 400K in the bank and seasoned the requisite amount of time.
Tod *********
@Charles *********
you need to contact them. Most consulates don't care in the least what you put down on the income affidavit. There are only a few that require you to prove the amount you put down is backed up by something. You'd have to get ahold of them yourself and see if they even do affidavits of income from abroad for S/A passport holders in thailand.

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Cambodia **********
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@Tod ********
thanks Tod! I guess my embassy would not want to comment on a job I have done abroad, right?
Tod *********
Mario Bronx sorry I made a post and tagged you but it was wrong and I deleted it. :/ Sorry :(
Tod *********
@Charles *********
nope, it has to come from the country your passport is from.
Tod *********
@Josh *********
, on a year-long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant visa type O visa you have to border- bounce every 90 days to get another 90 day stamp. You CANNOT just report to immigrations. You do that when you are on an extension of stay NOT on a visa.

That volunteer in Pai Baeng Soucy knows exactly the type of visa that is and knows that you border bounce every 90 days
Cambodia **********
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@Robert ******
the issue with the embassy letter is I am south african, but haven't worked in south africa for 15 years. My last employment was in south korea. Would a letter from the korean embassy do?
Robert *******
You still have a few weeks left, if you can get the Embassy letter with the minimum 40.000 Thb income, you can apply for the 1 year Extension of Stay without leaving.
Cambodia **********
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@Robert ******
haven't paid them a satang yet mate! 2700 to Cambodia from Pattaya I will have to pay them soon.
Robert *******
I hope you did not pay a lot to this visa service, they are off the tracks with their advice.
Cambodia **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Oh ok, I should have done it sooner!
Robert *******
Only two months:
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Cambodia **********
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@Robert ******
Thanks! Bloody visa services tell me that the 40,000 a month is not possible fr a spousal visa, only for the retirement one! It's easy for me to do the 40,000 Bht bit, I can also do the 400K one but it needs to be in a bank for 3 months.
Robert *******
One of the requirements is indeed 400.000 Thb on your Thai bank account or 40.000 Thb monthly income certified by your Embassy.
Cambodia **********
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@Robert ******
the 400,000 thing?
Robert *******
Or apply at Ranong Immigration for a NEW 1 year Extension of Stay.
Cambodia **********
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Crystal clear, I need to leave. Thanks Robert!
Robert *******
Please read the second line on this picture. First line is Rayong Immigration and second line is Extension of Stay permitted up to 10 Jun 2018. This is NOT a visa.
Cambodia **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Robert ******
It's clear now. I have a visa for a year and not a marriage visa per se. I guess the fact that we had to produce our marriage certificate and house papers when we applied in Korea made me assume it was a spousal visa. I did extend one time and did the 'one time 2 month extension to visit your wife' debacle. That's a one time deal. I know now that I need to leave before June 10th and come back in. Thanks!
Robert *******
They don't look the same, are not the same, have different rules and regulations and so many times called "retirement" or "marriage" visa.
Robert *******
The picture shown in the OP is a VISA, under this post an Example of an Extension of Stay:
Cambodia **********
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@Robert ******
I will PM u
Robert *******
Just open your passport and take a look is it a sticker from an Embassy or Consulate or a stamp from Immigration Office with the test Extension of Stay is permitted up to.
Cambodia **********
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@Robert ******
that just leaves me just as confused! Hahaha!
Robert *******
@Charles *********
It is very simple actually. Even I understand it. But it all depends what is inside your passport and using the correct names to get information.
Cambodia **********
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@Josh *********
Yes, it's worth it! My wife doesn't understand the explanations given to her by embassies, immigration offices and visa services. What a shame it's so frikkin complicated and clear as mud!
Robert *******
I go every 90 days to Immigration and no problems, not even have to speak to the chief. It all depends on what you have in your passport, there is a big difference between a visa and extension of stay. But as usual some like to call it retirement visa or marriage visa and have no clue what is inside their passport.
Josh *******
Mate its a fucking headache for visa's this place ! Give it a go what i said, its worth a try, its either yes or no, hope you get it sorted
Cambodia **********
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@Josh *********
Amen! I started this thread on Pattaya Oracle and it's been raging ever since! Hahaha! I think in the last two months I have heard 12 conflicting bits of info from 50 people, including Thais and immigration officers! LOL
Josh *******
no need to get rude mate, its a discussion that we all have different experiences of clearly
Josh *******
Btw im not arguing with you on your experience, maybe mae hong son is a little corrupt, which i believe it to be just a little bit though shh ;) but yeah honesty thats what he told me, as i have been here for quite a few years on various visas, and as my partner is thai and he knows us, he jsut recommended it and told me what i mentioned before
Josh *******
Yeah but so does a tourist visa or an metv, but you can extend no ?
Josh *******
@Charles *********
i don't but join the "our pai family" page on facebook, you will see someone thai, a volunteer for the immigration posting now and then, message him and he should have it, the chief speaks perfect english too
Cambodia **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Josh if I could do that it would save me such a headache. Do you have his number?
Tod *********
You can apply for a yearly extension of stay based on marriage at the immigration office by meeting the financial requirements when you have 30 days or less left on ANY entry of that visa.

if you're using banked money the 400K baht needs to be in a thai bank account in your name only 2 months prior to you applying for the extension of stay.

Once you apply it will go under consideration for 30 days then you go back and get the year extension inked into your passport. It will cost you 1900baht

After you get the year extension IF you're going to leave the country during the next year you would need a re-entry permit
Cambodia **********
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@Tod ********
thanks mate! Yeah, I want to get it out of the way :)
Tod *********
@Cha****
Oh, not it's not that it's that hard or anything it's that you paid 200USD for that visa :O and I thought you'd wanna get your money's worth.

You can certainly bank the 400K for the requisite time required in a thai bank account, get the required documentation and go apply for a yearly extension. It's not that hard and is actually pretty straight forward. You certainly can do it yourself and don't need an 'agent' to help you at all with it.
Cambodia **********
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Gotcha! Why is the 400,000k rigamarole, not advisable? I mean, it's a real pain having to leave every 90 days. is the 400K a massive schlep? Thanks!
Tod *********
@Cha****
Personally what I would do is just wring as much time as you can out of the visa you have now. Even though it requires going to the border, stamping out and back in you can get almost 15 months of stay out of it before you needed to either get a new visa or get a yearly extension.
Cambodia **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Can I ask you for details closer towards the time? The agency helping me to do the visa run want me to use them but I sniff a few thousand THB! hahaha
Tod *********
Allan Grimard I went over the difference between a marriage visa and a yearly extension here

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Tod *********
Allan IF you have a yearly extension of stay based on marriage from the immigration office you DON'T leave the country every 90 days, you can stay for a whole year.

BUT

On the visa the O/P has you border bounce every 90 days
Tod *********
Allan Grimard On the type of visa that the O/P has yes, that is how that visa works.
Robert *******
You can apply for the Extension of stay 30 days before your Admitted to Stay date. Going early give you time in case you missed one of the copies, the Extension is added to your stay, so you won't loose days by going early.
Dave **********
The visa is good for a year but your allowed period of stay is whatever was stamped into your passport when you entered (should have been 90 days and will be indicated on your entry stamp).

Your options:

a) exit and return every 90 days. Effectively this can give you 15 months stay in the kingdom.

b) get the paperwork together to "extend" your period of stay from 90 days to 1 year but this will take even more paperwork and a hefty bank account.
Biff *******
When you enter the country you get an 'admitted until' (with a date) stamp. That's how long you are permitted to stay. With this visa, as others have said, that will be 90 days.
Steven ***********
Also, it's always worth checking your stamp upon re-entry before leaving the immigration deck to double check the IO gave tne correct days
Cambodia **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks guys! Crystal clear then! I plan to do the 400,000 thing after this next visa run!
Tod *********
On that visa 100% you get stamped in for 90 days, and then you go to the border, stamp out of thailand, stamp in&out of another country and stamp back into thailand.

You CANNOT stay a year by just doing 90 day reporting at the immigration office
Robert *******
Yes, it is is Multiple Entry Non Immigrant O visa, on every entry you get a new stamp that Admitted you to stay till 90 days later. You can use this visa till the enter before dat 27 Dec 2018. If you enter just before or on 27 Dec you still get 90 days so can can get almost 15 months of stay in partitions of 90 days out of this visa. After that you can apply for the 1 year Extension of Stay at local Immigration and one of the requirements is indeed the 400.000 Thb on a bank account.
Tod *********
Okay, what you have is a year-long (NOT 2 years) multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O visa based on marriage
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