Can I obtain Kor Ror 2 and 3 if my marriage in Thailand wasn't registered?

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David *****
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Got married in Bangkok 16 years ago and didn't register it. Can I get a Kor Ror 2 and 3?
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The user inquired about obtaining Kor Ror 2 and 3 forms after marrying in Bangkok 16 years ago without registering the marriage. Responses indicated that the absence of registration means the marriage is not legally recognized in Thailand, thus complicating the ability to acquire these forms. However, some suggested that if the marriage was legally conducted overseas (with proper documentation), it might still be possible to register the marriage in Thailand to obtain the Kor Ror forms. Ultimately, a notarized marriage certificate from the overseas jurisdiction is necessary to prove marital status for the documentation needed.
Greg *********
Probably did village wedding. Don't even need to register for that. Non binding is the way to go
Malcolm *********
Just get married again in Thailand and get your certificates
Graham ******
@Malcolm ********
I think his Thai marriage was just a village wedding with the monks, not official looking at more recent posts
Malcolm *********
@Graham *****
I know but the OP seems confused. Married 16 years ago in Bangkok with no certificate but the US allowed her in to US where he married again and so why not third time lucky.
David *****
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Graham ******
@Malcolm ********
you cannot get married twice
Will ************
@Malcolm ********
he will an affirmation of marital status from his Embassy and he is already married
Will ************
As you now state you were married overseas then you will need that marriage certificate certifying. Not sure if you have to do that overseas or if you can do it in Thailand.
David *****
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@Will ***********
according to the MFA, I have to do it in America
Will ************
If you didn’t register the marriage you are NOT legally married
Burnard ************
@Will ***********
He is legally married but it is not recognized for any Thai legal benefits thereof.

However, if he used the unregistered status in Thailand to marry someone else, he would still be open to legal penalty. That is why I say he is in a Legal Marriage. Even though he is unregistered, he would still need a divorce to be free of the marital obligations. As it is he is caught between. He gets none of the benefits and all of the liabilities of marriage.
David *****
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@Will ***********
correct. The ceremony, pictures add video are not enough
John **********
are you sure you married at the Amphur??..when you did you get there the Kor ror 2 and 3 after register...if you not register you not married ..
John **********
@David ****
married for bhudda
David *****
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@John *********
we married at a wedding hall. Monks and all
Graham ******
You get married in Thailand by registration at the local Amphur so what did you do, sounds like you may not be married?
Peter **********
@David ****
Some people ‘feel’ the strangest things. I feel I am the democratically elected president of the bright side of Jupiter. Will you address me as Your Excellence? 🤣
David *****
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@Peter *********
believe what you will
David *****
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@Graham *****
I have 2 wedding anniversaries and the one in Thailand I feel is the real one. I have pictures, video and the memories of friends and family who were there
Peter **********
@Graham *****
He gives wrong information to ensure he gets wrong answers… 🤣
Anna *********
@David ****
I don’t think you have to physically be at the Thai consulate or embassy. Congratulations by the way.
Graham ******
@David ****
So why say "Married in Bangkok 16 years ago", very confusing?
Brandon ************
@David ****
Then you most likely cannot get a Kor Ror. Use an agency to get the notarization done.
David *****
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@Graham *****
we're married in the US. Getting a notorized copy of the marriage license would require a trip to the Thai Embassy or Consulate in the US and we're not going to do that
Kornvara ************
If you register marriage with Thai oversea, you will be recorded family status in Kor Ror.2 because the District shall refer to the marriage certificate oversea that you presented to the District.

If you register marriage in Thailand, your marital status is recorded by way of marriage registration in Thailand.
David *****
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@Kornvara ***********
if married overseas they will give a KR22, but, they want a notorized copy from the Thai Embassy in America
Rita *******
What does it mean, married but didn't register it?
David *****
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@Nongnuch *******
AFAIK according to the US Embassy website, they do not legalize any documents and the MFA and Thailand do not recognize an Apistelle copy
Serg *******
@Nongnuch *******
Immigration also asks for original of “the rose bordered certificate”
Nongnuch ********
@David ****
You could have your marriage legalized by the Thai embassy in the USA. Or alternatively, you can get your marriage documents legalized by the U.S. embassy in Bangkok, then have it co-legalized by the Thai MfA. Only after this, you will be able to get your marriage registered in the Thai system. What immigration asks for is not the Kor Ror 2 (the rose bordered marriage certificate) but the just ask for the Kor Ror 22 which is a fresh printout of the marriage registry. Any Amphoe in Thailand can print it for you
David *****
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@Rita ******
we held the ceremony for family but did not register it at the Amphur. That also allowed me to bring my wife to the US in 6 months rather than one year. We married again in the US for the government
Nino **********
Peter *****************
@Rita ******
thai style1+1=3
Brandon ************
Sure. After you register your marriage at an amphur they will provide it.
Chris *********************
If you didn't register with hampor office at the time you have no married status in Thailand
Chris *********************
@David ****
no if you didn't register it at government office
John **********
@David ****
if you were legally married in the US then you need to get that authenticated, then you can go to the amphur and get a certificate
Aake **********
@David ****
Thai sermono is not a marriage from a purely legal point of view
David *****
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@Brandon ***********
that was what I was thinking. Looks like a Retirement Visa is the best way to go. I appreciate everyone's answers and help
Brandon ************
@David ****
you get a kor ror from an amphur's office and they're not giving you anything unless your marriage is registered.
David *****
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@Brandon ***********
so we married in the US 15 years ago. But getting a KR22 is proving problematic. Since we had a Thai ceremony 16 years ago, perhaps they'll give us a KR 2 and 3? I guess we may need to contact the Wedding Hall in Bangkok for some type of record...
Brandon ************
@Andy *******
then that's the first step obviously
Andy ********
@Brandon ***********
but he didn’t register it ?
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