Will Australia tax my pension at 35% if I retire in Thailand?

Jul 18, 2024
4 months ago
Colin ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Hi all I am wanting to retire in Thailand but have recently heard a rumor that they are going to take 35%of your pension???? I'm Australian can anyone shed any light on this rumor which I find very hard to believe.
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A user inquires about the potential 35% taxation of their pension as an Australian retiree in Thailand, expressing skepticism about the rumor. Comments reveal mixed opinions about the new tax implications for foreign income and the existing double tax agreement between Australia and Thailand. Most participants assert that retired individuals' pensions should not be taxed if already taxed in Australia. However, they emphasize the complexity of tax regulations, urging retirees to seek professional advice and remain updated on legal changes.
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Ardy *********
Folks only $$ transfer through banks is subject to questions, use your credit cards for everything and ATM for cash needs, then you won’t have to worry, that’s the easiest way in my opinion.
Jørgen ********
nobody knows for sure yet. Not even tax experts in Thailand, so you have ti follow this topic close AND talk to an expert when the potiticians agree how to internet the law - and it will probably take some time.
Philip **********
Keep in mind tax rules and visa rules can change at any moment.
Max *************
There's never been a 35% number mentioned anywhere,and it never will be.Stop reading The Thaiger, stop watching video clips on YouTube and don't listen to clueless people on social media.
Tony ********
And dont forget that when you leave Australia is going to tax your pension at 30%, (if you become a non tax resident of Aust), so the balance that you transfer to Thailand will be tax free as Aust has a Dual Tax Agreement with Thailand
Alan ******
Yeah details to come Colin but that's about correct. They joined the OECD that org that Marius Corman is chief cook n bottlewasher Formally Morrisons finance minister.👎🤣
Lena *******
@Alan *****
Oh damn. DTV looks better.
Alan ******
Digital Nomad Lena
Shane **********
Malaysia did similar which forced a lot of retired people to leave.
Robert ****
Unless Thailand starts forcing retirees to submit tax forms every year as a prerequisite to getting a Non-O extension for retirement, there is no mechanism in place for Thailand to tax retirees. Also if you only use credit card transactions and ATM withdrawals in Thailand, that is not considered repatriating money into Thailand subject to Thai taxes.
Luke **********
I’ve also learnt you have to be in Australia for 2 years after starting to receive the pension for it to be portable and still receive, if I have understood this right
Shane **********
@Luke *********
that’s for expats who return to Australia just to claim the pension, if they leave within 2 years their pension may stop.
Luke **********
@Shane *********
got ya 👍🏻👍🏻
Chris *********
A pension IS NOT income. Income is derived from assets or work. A pension is derived from a lifetime of effort.
Mike *******
Settle down boys and girls! He was only asking a question. That is what this site is supposed to be about. Transfer of ideas! We all know that in the end you have to do your own due diligence. lighten up! LIFES A BEACH.... CHILL OUT..WALK THE BEACH....GO GOLFING.... HAVE A COLD ONE BUT PLEASE (CHILL OUT)
Colin ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Mike ******
Thanks Mike I was just asking a question.
Mike *******
@Colin *******
no worries Colin. You will get it figured out!
Jim ********
Jason ********
Did you talk with an immigration attorney or CPA in Thailand
Ste *******
Thailand will only take 35% of your soul! 🤣
Phil ******
True. Get a professional
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Edward ******
It’s probably not likely to be an issue for many of the reasons listed here but I retired in the region and I much prefer passing from Malaysia to Thailand and Vietnam. Dividing my time provides me with lots of variety, allows me to bypass some weather extremes and to me each of these places has their own advantages I also bypass visa issues as well.
Andy ************
It's all rubbish what you're hearing. Pensions will not be taxed. Enjoy yourself in Thailand and have a great time!!
Robin ********
By the way the law for this has been in place since January and I've not heard it being used yet .
Bob **********
They haven’t got the man power to collect what’s owed to them now,nobody knows but I would doubt they’ll take anything
Alistair ********
Most Australians have bad breath therefore they deserve to be taxed up to their balls.
Nick **********
It is the land of rumours!
Kev ********
Did you hear on Facebook or in the pub? 🙈🙈🙈🙈
Greg ******
Read the Double Tax agreement between Australia and Thailand.
Gordon *********
Jumping the gun nobody knows
Robin ********
@Gordon ********
been on the books since January?
Shane ***********
Totally all lies
Harry *******
Please cite your source and provide a link to this. If it’s not from a Thai government agency then move on…
Dirk **************
@Harry ******
We all know that Thai government representative have sometimes big dreams that will not amount to much in the end. Unless it is gazetted it is just talk.
Harry *******
@Dirk *************
Of course. But surely there will be an official announcement on an official Thai website when/if this happens. Then we can all read it and take away the information we need.
James *********
False news!!! (It's gonna be more like 55%) 🤣
Lucas ********
@James ********
Did they tell you that, and are you giving them more than 55%? You have been lied to...
James *********
@Lucas *******
but of course Lucas 🤣
John **********
You need to do your research. If you live inside Thailand for 180 days or more in a calendar year you become a tax resident. That means that any income you bring into Thailand while a tax resident is assessable for Thai tax and you need to complete a Thai tax return. However due to the dual tax agreement between Australia and Thailand any tax you've already paid on that income is credited against Thai tax and further the agreement means that pension payments made to residents of Australia are only taxable in Australia so as long as you maintain Australian residency your pension won't be affected. There's a lot more to it so best to read up on it.
Andreas *********
If your income is taxed in Australia, this will not happen. Australia also has a double taxation agreement with Thailand. Just read the terms and conditions there. 35% tax would only be due on income of 5 million baht. 30% on 2-5 million, 25% on 1-2 million, etc. So don't let it drive you crazy. At the moment there is just a lot of hot air.
Yvan **********
I am Canadian, Canada and Thailand have a reciprocal fiscal agreement. Income is taxed only in the country where the pension comes from, for me, in Canada. There is no double taxation. You have to do your homework and find out if there is a similar fiscal agreement between Australia and Thailand.
Ethel ********
Also they remove one testicle
Steve **********
@Ethel *******
they grow back.
John *********
Keith ****************
Thailand is tax free for Australians if you give the migration officer 10,000 baht at the border 😉
Steve **********
@Keith ***************
Youvdo know Thai IO'S read these texts and flag you in the system.
Steve **********
NOT TRUE....all you fear mongers and rumor freaks...read the f---- bill.

Not Social Security, nor Pensions etc.

Taxed on money's generated from, or while living in Thailand.

Expert on every barstool !
John ********
@Steve *********
Keyboard warriors at war again. 😂
Russell ***********
@Steve *********
hear hear ... there's some stupid drunk idiots on this forum 555
Steve **********
@Russell **********
some everywhere.

Nothing wrong eith a bar. Unless the stool is assigned to you .
Graeme *******
I would stay home, I heard a rumor the world is going to end..
Steve **********
@Graeme ******
worse : Tramp may be back.

He's suing for a Purple Heart
Graeme *******
@Steve *********
I can't enough problems with my own Prime Minister to worry about haha
Steve **********
@Graeme ******
I understand !
Russell ***********
so if you transfer 2 million baht for a house build you will lose 700,000 baht in tax ? 555 don't think so 🤔
Steve **********
@Russell **********
bullshit....every beer bar expert has an opinion.

Your pensions and social security and saving have had tax paid. Only income generated while in Thailand, and even thats in debate.

If you've paid tax elsewhere .your fine.
Frank-Steven ***********
@Russell **********
Doesn’t apply for savings transferred. But for some income from abroad.
Robin ********
As long as the money coming in has been taxed, in a country Thailand has an agreement with , then no worries .
William *******
@Robin *******
If it’s taxed at the same rate.
Robin ********
@William ******
didn't know that .
Rok ********
If you become a tax resident you can be taxed on your remittances. The Thai Tax system is similar to most being progressive tax systen starting with a 0% tax bracket and ending with highest of 35% for remittances over 5 million baht pa. A Bigger worry should be if (when) the worldwide earnings become taxable and not just remittances to Thailand. In some countries like Italy the civil service pensions are tax exempt (not state pension) and you may wish to seek advice whether there are any exemptions in Thailand.
Rok ********
Michal ***********
Russell ***********
Angy ********
if you don t pay the tax on pension in your country and send it to thailand some money you have to pay tax in thailand but is cheaper then other countries, I paid also before the new law to avoid any problem with country of origin of pension
Yvan **********
@Angy *******
not necessarily, depends your country 😊
Tim *********
Once you've lived here 180 days, you are liable to tax assessment on the income you bring in to Thailand. But you can off-set tax already paid on that income. If it's just pension which is taxed at home, there's usually nothing more to pay.

But note, if you are resident in Thailand, they are considering making ALL your worldwide income taxable. However this is not currently the law, just maybe a serious proposal to watch for news on
Russell ***********
@Tim ********
if you're a resident, why should you get to keep your money gross & not net ... yes, you should pay tax to the country you live in for the infrastructure
Russell ***********
money is only taxed if earned within Thailand, also on any interest that is gained with their Banks
Chris *********
@Russell **********
read the Bangkok Post article.
Braulio *********
Ken ***********
@Russell **********
you need to get updated on new Thailand tax implementation on income brought into Thailand for any individual residing 180 days or more in a calendat year.

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Frank-Steven ***********
@Russell **********
That was true for a long time. But changed this year.
Russell ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
if this does happen to be true, then it's the most craziest of things, they will lose billions, everyone will simply hold their money offshore or in their homelands
Michael *******
@Russell **********
and pay tax there
Frank-Steven ***********
@Russell **********
Well, people gotta live off something in Thailand - so some money will likely need to be transferred into Thailand.
Russell ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
people will bring cash in or collect a WU in cash ... do you honestly think that someone would transfer 2 million tb for a house build and allow 700,000 to go to the government in tax ?
Frank-Steven ***********
@Russell **********
To my understanding it does not apply if you transfer savings, taxed is only income (like pensions etc). But I have to admit I need to still dive deeper on this topic.
Russell ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
like i said, people will just bring their pension in with cash each month ... simply WU to a cash pick up point, great rates too over bank transfers
Frank-Steven ***********
@Russell **********
If you can manage life in Thailand with cash only (rent, bills etc.) … might be possible. Would still be tax evasion.
Russell ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion isn't
Shane **********
@Russell **********
think you mean tax reduction, avoidance and evasion are the same.
Russell ***********
@Shane *********
same same but different
Frank-Steven ***********
@Russell **********
True. But if foreign income brought into Thailand is taxable and people use cash instead of bang transfer it is not avoidance but evasion. 😉
Russell ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
so tourists can't acquire any further monies once in Thailand without it being deducted tax ? i think this is just another pointless post ... all hedge fund managers will withdraw investments into Thailand, never gonna happen, only taxation on Thailand work related income ... how many of these silly spontaneous ideas go out the window the following week ? 555
Gabriel ********
@Russell **********
the plan the government announced is for that to change
Tin **********
Depend on income
Kel ********
@Tin *********
I don’t think so, if you have income other than the pension, the pension is reduced accordingly, not taxed!
Paul *******
Correct. If you retire to Thailand or anywhere overseas, you become a non-resident of Australia and you pay tax on your pension at non resident rate of 35%. Thailand may also want to tax you.
Paul *****************
@Paul ******
....you better get yourself a better accountant.
John **********
@Paul ******
no that’s correct but if your renting out your home in the U.K. for instance and transferring the rent collected to top up your pension in Thailand to your Thai bank account, this is when it gets tricky
Tore *********
@Paul ******
nope lol. Can we please stop this fear mongering now? As with most western countries, AU has a double tax agreement with Thailand. If you tax on it in AU, you don't tax on it in TH. These new tax enforcement has zero impact on 99% of foreigners.
Kel ********
@Paul ******
I’ve lived in the Philippines, Malaysia and now Thailand, I’ve never been taxed on my pension!
Ant ******
@Paul ******
thats 70% eat salt
Roy *********
@Paul ******
there's a double tax agreement that prevents this
Luke **********
@Roy ********
correct 👍🏻
Frank-Steven ***********
It is a bit more complex than that. Tax related things always are - especially cross border. It is true, that foreign income will be taxable. It is also true that the max possible tax rate will be at 35%. However, only money actually transferred into Thailand will be taxable. Also, it depends on many more factors, like tax treaties between the two countries. For many cases, income already taxed in one country won’t be taxed again in another country. But yes: a detailed analysis is advisable before moving.
Ian *****
@Frank-Steven **********
technically some is incorrect, it is even more complicated that this. And a) applied to income generated on assets after Jan 2024 and only if Thai resident . There are many carve outs for double tax though.

Colin Clarke. Seek professional advice
Rene ********
@Frank-Steven **********
great explanation. What is the threshold amount tax free one can send in a year? Also, what about cash carried in, the current amount allowed is 20,000US dollars I believe
Ardy *********
@Rene *******
isn’t that 20k per person?
Brent *******
@Frank-Steven **********
there’s talk of a global taxation (similar to USA) from 2025…. Just talk but who knows. Then they try to take a slice of everything if they can 🤷‍♂️
Frank-Steven ***********
@Brent ******
Yeah. I don’t really see that coming. I don’t think they have the infrastructure or means to enforce that. But yeah … to watch out for.
Colin ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Frank-Steven **********
Thankyou for the info I guess I will need to look into this.
Colin ********
Bullshit
Paul *******
@Colin *******
Mot bullshit. I live in Thailand for the past 12 years and pay 35% tax to ATO on my Australian pension.
Teddy ************
@Paul ******
your having your pants pulled down mate enjoy
Graeme **********
@Paul ******
send me a slab of Singha and I’ll help you with your tax return😝😝😂😂😂
Graeme **********
@Paul ******
well mate your doing something wrong. I’m over 60, have three Aussie pensions DFRDB, PSS and Vet Affairs (which is tax free anyway) and I don’t pay any tax in Aussie. Been in Thailand for over eight years
CjandBrigitte **********
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Dirk **************
@CjandBrigitte *********
“studying” “may” “proposed”… if you know anything about Thailand you know what that means.
CjandBrigitte **********
@Dirk *************
Yes, wait and see what actually happens. For now it's just a waiting game until it actually happens. Brought our money into the country the year before to see how things pan out in this tax year.
Dirk **************
@CjandBrigitte *********
when faced with options “A”, or “B” - Thailand usually opts for “C” … there is a lot of noise but little substance at this point … similar to the tourism tax that was eventually axed.
Dirk **************
Jesus Christ, chill and do not listen to this nonsense.
Graeme **********
@Dirk *************
correct. It’s all fear mongering by people who don’t know shit 😝😝
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