Friend coming in January. I can't give him a TM30 as I don't own the house. What now? He will be moving to a guest house after a week or so.
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The original poster is concerned about their friend who is coming to Thailand and may not have a TM30 form registered, as they do not own the house. According to comments, the TM30 is technically required to be filed by house owners, heads of household, or managers of hotels upon the arrival of foreign nationals. However, its enforcement may vary across different immigration offices. Many commenters suggest that if the friend is staying in a guest house afterward, the guest house will likely take care of the TM30 registration, which is typically done online. It is noted that while there are legal obligations, enforcement is inconsistent, especially for tourist visas, and some areas, like Bangkok, may not prioritize TM30 registration.
Tod *********
To be completely honest, IF they are not going to need to go to the immigration office for ANYTHING (an extension, a residence certificate, a re-entry permit, etc) there is no way that the immigration office would have a clue IF they did or didn't file a TM.30.
I would suggest that they do NOTHING while they're with you, and as soon as they check in at the guest house they have them file the TM.30 online. That's the best that can be done..
But I agree with Robert, this isn't all that thai visa related :/
Robert *******
As this topic is not closely related to Thai Visa and ending up in finding excuses to disregard the rules of register an address of a foreigner within 24 hours after arrival, I close the commenting. We are here as guests, play by their rules and we all enjoy our time in Thailand. Sorry guys, the rule is the rule, if you disagree with that rule, go to Immigration Office and explain why they have to change the rules.
Robert *******
So think what you want, it is not needed for tourist or what ever excuse you have, read my other comment with the section 38 of the Immigration act. And yes it is not enforced in full at every Immigration Office,so check with your office in your area to avoid problems with them.
the specific situation here is not that of an unregistered tenant. I presume Mary is registered herself. I am asking about foreign _tenant_ being fined for having a friend over for a few days.
he's coming for a week and moving to a guesthouse, sounds like a tourist to me. Tourists stay in guesthouses, right? It's common enough people in this group make pronouncements about behaviour that they don't think sounds like a tourist so I presume we can do it the other way.
One way or the other- if they DO move to a guesthouse after a week, the guesthouse will do the TM30 before he ever goes to immigration.
Robert *******
To many reports of Foreignes fined 1.600 Thb for not being registerd and most of them just rented the house or condo.
Robert *******
Ivan McAvinchey a Friend is coming, where did you get the information about the visa the friend have?
and by the letter of the law the obligation is in the first instance on the house owner. So Mary can inform them and leave the issue in their hands. Have you ever heard of a case of a _tenant_ being fined for having a friend over?
And the fact is, we give advice acording the rules, Not by telling them I think it has zero consequences by not following the rules.
Glen *********
Ivan McAvinchey Immigration will not extend their visa or allow them to do 90 day report (and can be fined for that) in addition which the foreigner must pay
Catch 22
Ivan ************
The fact is, there will be absolutely zero consequences to anyone from not going through a TM30 notification because she has a friend over for a week. Up to her and her friend if she wants to take a day out to sightsee in the immigration office.
Ivan ************
I'm aware she can do it as a practical matter. But who MUST do it? All of those listed people? The first listed person is the house owner. So tell them. If she cares about it so much.
Robert *******
If Mary is renting the house she is seen by the Immigration Officer as the House Master.
Ivan ************
So what actual consequence happens in this situation? Mary can tell her landlord about the friend and then it's on his head. Job done.
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Robert *******
According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national." If there is no immigration office in the province or locality of the respective house or hotel, the notification is made to the local police station.
Ivan ************
I don't think it matters in your particular case. The only place where a TM30 possibly comes up is when the foreigner needs to deal with immigration, like for an extension. Some offices then care about there being a TM30 registered, and won't do the extension unless it is. Others don't care at all.
In this case, if he is moving to a guesthouse after a week, they will do the TM30 for him then and he will have one later, if he wants to get an extension. The TM30 just needs to be registered in the province at the time he is actually going to immigration for an extension.
Further, in any case, I am not sure Chiang Mai immigration (where I believe you are) care about the TM30 for tourist extensions. They definitely do for non-tourist extensions, but I am not sure they do for the tourist ones.
Note: this is a practical view on the situation. Yes technically you are meant to register him. But in this case I don't see any consequences to not doing so.
Ivan ************
I've never been asked for one for a tourist extension, although it probably was done, if they check in the background. I have needed the receipt for non-tourist extensions. All the reports I have heard of people being fined 1,600B for not having this were extending non-tourist visas.
But this is moot anyway as if they are moving to a guesthouse after a week the guesthouse will do it and they will have one done, before they ever go to immigration for an extension.
Glen *********
As a tourist in CM I was required to lodge a TM30, they don’t just apply it to other visa holders
And you can’t assume the guest house will do it either, most don’t
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Mary ********
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I know. Maybe park him in a hotel for a night? Rest of the week with us. I mean what to campers do? Do these guest houses really register farang?
Ivan ************
That will be equally illegal. If he stays with you, according to the letter of the law you need to register him. That he was in a guesthouse before does not change your legal obligation to register him.
Henry *********
Registered guest houses and hotels do. They do it online.
yeah Bangkok don’t care about TM30’s anyway hahaha... such a pain to navigate their processes across Thailand, even within the same office you can get mixed messages
Henry *********
Not in Bangkok, thankfully.
Glen *********
Henry Durrant correct normally the hotel’s do it (but not all) and if you rent a condo or apartment the owner is meant to do it BUT most don’t - thus when the foreigner goes to extend their visa immigration may see no TM30 has been lodged and issue a fine!
The owners won’t pay the fine, thus if the foreigner doesn’t pay the fine they can’t extend their visa or do any 90 day report! That’s why foriegners end up paying!
Their hotel does it, not the foreigner. It's not a requirement for tourists here on holiday.
Glen *********
Every foreigner on any visa, exemption and voa - it’s actually the owners responsibility to lodge the TM30 within 24 hours of arrival, but it’s usually the foreigner who ends up paying the fine as they won’t extend the visa etc with payment
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Mary ********
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England.
Robert *******
There must be an owner some where, who can provide you with the papers needed.
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