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What should expats know before applying for a tourist visa at the Thai consulate in Phnom Penh?
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May 19, 2017
9 years ago
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERIt's no secret that the thai consulate in Phnom Penh is hit or miss at the best of times and down right hard to work with at the worst of them
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I've NEVER seen someone turn in their application for a tourist visa, meet all 3 of the 'proof-ofz", pay the $40USD. However when the went back to get their passport they found out the visa was put into their passport BUT was stamped Void Without Prejudice..
This person did not have a passport full if tourist visas from other consulates either..
Anyone thinkin' to go to the thai consulate in Phnom Penh, be warned, this could happen to you. I'm NOT saying it will but I've not see any other consulate due this (other than the thai consulates in India for indian nationals)..
BUT
I've NEVER seen someone turn in their application for a tourist visa, meet all 3 of the 'proof-ofz", pay the $40USD. However when the went back to get their passport they found out the visa was put into their passport BUT was stamped Void Without Prejudice..
This person did not have a passport full if tourist visas from other consulates either..
Anyone thinkin' to go to the thai consulate in Phnom Penh, be warned, this could happen to you. I'm NOT saying it will but I've not see any other consulate due this (other than the thai consulates in India for indian nationals)..
TLDR : Answer Summary
Expats seeking a tourist visa at the Thai consulate in Phnom Penh should be prepared for potential challenges, including the risk of having their visa application stamped 'Void Without Prejudice' despite fulfilling all requirements. Experiences shared by community members indicate that application experiences can be inconsistent, varying from straightforward approvals to unexpected rejections. Many advise against applying in Phnom Penh if possible, favoring consulates in Vientiane or Savannakhet where applications seem to have higher success rates. Community members also highlighted the importance of being aware of the documentation requirements, as a lack of necessary paperwork can lead to rejections. Furthermore, the risks associated with previous visa applications may affect future attempts at different consulates.
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Vincent *************
yes with all these petty hassles now in thailand I am seriously thinking of moving to Cambodia (Sinoukville)
Maxim ***********
I got rejected in PP for a tourist visa in december 2012... the lady asked for bank statement and something else (address or onward, can't recall, didn't bring anything).Since that day I have avoided PP and have done the usual Vientiane, Savannakhet, Penang, without having to show anything. Funny enough, we are in Aranyaprathet as we speak, relocating to PP tomorrow! The visa situation in Cambodia is much better (a month ordinary visa that you can extend 1 year multi-entry for $280 with a agent, $180 if u do it yourself but GL with that).
Jeremy ******
Why did they do it?
Tino ************
We came in, without a hassle on the normal 30 day excemt visa at least. Thanks for your feedback guys. Hope this doesnt happen for you guys.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@R**
, & @Rob***
, please don't misunderstand my intention, I think the Thai Elite Card and visa program they have is a very viable option for long term stay here, and I encourage you guys to post and talk about it (in it's own thread ;) ) It rocks and the only negative stuff I ever hear about it is from people who can't afford it :O
Robert ********
Ooops, I just realised you ARE the O/P Tod, :-O
Robert ********
Your point is well taken Tod, you allowed us to discuss TE in enough detail and that should be sufficient. Sorry to the O/P for going off-topic for so long....as you correctly said, there will always be the nay-sayers for whatever reasons.
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Sorry Tod....
Ron *******
No problem Tod.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERWhile I am all for healthy discussion about visas and extensions to thailand I also want threads to stay on topic too :/
This thread isn't the best place for the TE "sub-conversation" going on.. Sorry guyz..
This thread isn't the best place for the TE "sub-conversation" going on.. Sorry guyz..
Jamila *********
Jus got mine in a day
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERmost consulates are turn it in one morning pick it up the next afternoon. Only PP is squirrelly ...
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Jamila *********
Vietnam is the only country now to get Thai visa no hustle
Jamila *********
Tod Daniels Vietnam only asked for the travel ticket to Thailand, show ticket showing when you will be returning to your country, one passport photo and a bank statement period
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERThere are reports that both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh now ask for some if not all of the "3-proof-ofz".
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Dane *************
Anyone recently used Lucky Lucky or another agent in PP then? We're heading there at the end of the month and despite hearing direct at the embassy was hard the success of the agents seems pretty high. Thoughts?
Asli *******
I used lucky motors in PP and got my tourist visa in 2 days without problems. This happened in April, not too long ago.
San *********
U can have a o dependant visa with out having 400k but u will to go out every 90days..
Michael ********
I am having a kid soon...so I will try for a O dependant...it costs money and you need a min balance of 400k...but they are right in saying people should not be using tourist visas when they are not tourists at all.......Ive done it as everyone has....#1 for me....I don't want problems or hassles...
San *********
Ok thanks
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Michael ********
Doesn't matter how many you get from Vientianne (at this stage)....but with increased focus on passports and visas lately...if you have any option for a long term visa...take it.....
San *********
Thing is that i have alot of thai visa from vientiane already ...so yeah need to find a new embassy...
Michael ********
Or you can meet all the requirements and have an agency...and get denied like the guy in this post.....so go to a place where virtually no one gets denied...ie Vientianne or similar....PP is well known for being hit and miss...
San *********
Thanks tod 😉
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERNot necessarily
MANY thai consulates in the area are not that hard to get a tourist visa from IF you meet the conditions they have for you to apply.
@S**
, MANY thai consulates in the area are not that hard to get a tourist visa from IF you meet the conditions they have for you to apply.
San *********
Look like vientiane is the only place to get visa for sure..
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERIf you're up for a challenge try it (y)
You're right the agents seem to have higher success than you pushing your own paper there.
You're right the agents seem to have higher success than you pushing your own paper there.
Amornrat **********
@San ********
not easier, but other places not take your application and money. Other place will reject you already at during application process.San *********
And in vietnam is it easier to get a visa ??
Dane *************
Thanks guys
Amornrat **********
as
@Tod ********
said, RTE in Phnom Penh is a hit or miss, they can change overnight and without reason give or reject applications.Reply to
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Michael ********
If PP is hit and miss then go somewhere that is not hit and miss like Vientianne?? and away from the southern entry points.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERI've never personally seen that from any consulate except the ones in India :O I have seen 90 day ED visas and 90 day Non-B visas issued in India to Indian nationals have that void stamp on it when the person went back to get their passport
Tino ************
But would it be possible enter Thailand on a normal 30 day visa exempt? With this sticker in the passport.
Tino ************
Exiting.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERI think you're gonna hafta try to enter and see what happens. I've never seen a visa stamped like that before except at the thai consulates in india.
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Peter *******
Without prejudice.. means no reference to nor implication can be made or taken as a point of law by the word "Void" in this case.
In other words no one can take it as a point of law in court proceedings
In other words no one can take it as a point of law in court proceedings
Joe ******
So basically, "Void without prejudice" means they cancelled for no specific reason or they cancelled the visa for so many reasons, they can't be bothered to explain them all?
Or is it Void without pointing fingers at the applicant?
I suppose. When Visa application got denied in the past, they just handed back your passport and the application with Visa Denied on it, nothing in the Passport. You just lost your fee, that's all. So one just went to an other Consulate or Embassy to try their luck or entered on VE and mostly it worked.
But having an actual Visa Refused stamp in your passport will probably not allow you that anymore,
Or is it Void without pointing fingers at the applicant?
I suppose. When Visa application got denied in the past, they just handed back your passport and the application with Visa Denied on it, nothing in the Passport. You just lost your fee, that's all. So one just went to an other Consulate or Embassy to try their luck or entered on VE and mostly it worked.
But having an actual Visa Refused stamp in your passport will probably not allow you that anymore,
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@R**
, They're the ONLY thai consulate that has that time frame :/Ron *******
I've often wondered what they do to need 3 or more days to put a sticker in your passport if they are not checking much? Also where does the copy paperwork end up?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERDavid, at most of the thai consulates, IF your application isn't gonna fly they won't even take your paperwork. They just send you on your way :/
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERDavid, which lets them issue the visa, then void it and keep the $40USD fee ;) :O
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Tom *****
I just got my first tourist visa from PP via an agent in siem reap. 40$ plus 10$ handling/courier fee. Took 12 days instead of 5 due to a run of Cambodian public holidays. Reliable agent I have used many years to renew my Cambodian visa.
Ron *******
Your welcome Robert.
Robert ********
I'll do that, thanks again!
Ron *******
If you look on my YouTube there are around 50 videos I've made including a good number in the US.
Robert ********
Fascinating video Ron, thanks for sharing. Those electric reels are amazing! Look forward to watching more.
Ron *******
2 separate toilets. Shared cabin. It's not luxury but it's ok. Shared cabin with bunks. It's a fishing boat lol Here is a video I made of a trip in 2015.
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Robert ********
Meaning 5 nights on the boat? Private or shared cabins? En-suite bathrooms?
Ron *******
It's 190,000 bht split between how many people you take plus $140 US each for the visas and permits.
Tom *****
@Ron ******
how much cash is needed?Ron *******
Boat from Ranong and onto the Burma banks. You clear Thai immigration then board the boat and enter the port of Kawthaung to get your Burmese Visa and permits. They are 5 day trips and great fishing. Look at the profile of Kit Ranong for all the details. I do about 3 charters a year with him. The cost is
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0 baht for the boat charter but it can take 10 anglers but we limit it to 7. It includes a full crew and chef with all your food. The visas and permits are $140 per person on top of the boat cost.Robert ********
Fishing down south, now that sounds like a vacation!
Ron *******
Yes Tod, I think your right. I only ever use Ranong in the south when I'm fishing and they seem to be ok people there.
Robert ********
The Chong Mek border is very foreign visa friendly, always has been.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@R**
, ALL Those reports were from the southern border crossings but there were a couple from Poipet too. The northern borders with Lao are all fine as of now
Ron *******
Jeremiah Scanlon. Just make sure you still have the required amount of cash in your pocket when you return to Thailand. There were reports on Thaivisa of people on marriage extensions being denied entry on the technicality of not having cash to show. Bank books, online statements or credit cards are not accepted.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Fr***
, Those southern border crossings are getting worse and worse. I wonder if those people who had the tourist visas also had the proof ofs that can be requested at the border.
Fra *****
Last visit to malaysia at the border sungai kolok a few days ago
3 guys with single tourist visa from kl were deny entry to thailand by the officer at the border and sent back to kl ,
they have been told ,
they have to apply for their thai visa in the uk ,
their home as landcross border will not accept european tourist if visa is not from enbassey in homecountry done
I am on a non b so no trouble at all
3 guys with single tourist visa from kl were deny entry to thailand by the officer at the border and sent back to kl ,
they have been told ,
they have to apply for their thai visa in the uk ,
their home as landcross border will not accept european tourist if visa is not from enbassey in homecountry done
I am on a non b so no trouble at all
Victoria **********
Been saying this repeatedly for months and you're the first person I've ever seen "agreeing".
It makes me laugh that people are so blasé that because they have a Visa they will be fine and have no problems re-entering Thailand. Especially if arrival point is DMK 😆
It makes me laugh that people are so blasé that because they have a Visa they will be fine and have no problems re-entering Thailand. Especially if arrival point is DMK 😆
Tom *****
@Tod ********
True but Siem Reap is much nicer than Phnom Penh :) and cheap and easy to spend 5 or 6 days. Just an alternative to consider.Ron *******
Nobody has a problem until they get denied. Then it can be pretty much game over on Tourist visas.
Even getting a visa now days isn't a guarantee of gaining entry at Thai immigration. It's still very much at the discretion of the I/O at the entry point.
Even getting a visa now days isn't a guarantee of gaining entry at Thai immigration. It's still very much at the discretion of the I/O at the entry point.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Tom ****
That's not a bad agent to "push paper" for thai visas in Phnom Penh IF you're in Siem Reap, but it's a little outta the way for people who are already in PP ;)Tom *****
I also have about 7 entry stamps in the last 12 months.
Tom *****
I had to show bank statement and flights.
Tom *****
Jeremiah Scanlon I recommend
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in Siem Reap town.Peter *******
Use the agents during the waiting time enjoy the wonders of Cambodia.
Robert ********
The concept of using agents applies to Thai's getting tourist visa for the US and UK as well....
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERJeremiah, there was a report on this group a while back by someone who used the Lucky Lucky Motorcycles Shop in PP to get a visa for thailand (there're a visa agent in addition to a moto-rental company ;) ).
They got their visa back in a day (instead of three days.
They got their visa back in a day (instead of three days.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERI think the agents there have a much higher success rate than people who do it on their own.
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Eddie *******
I though Phnom Phen was always a place to avoid for visa's.. for the reason you state about proof's of.. I have always bounced fro KL to Vientiane to Savanaket. Seems to be always fine for T-visas. Seen rejections for other types of visas though
Toby ******
yes Savanaket
Eddie *******
Thought
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San *********
So yeah better avoid going to phnompenh to make a visa right?!
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERThat would be my advice ;)
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Ron *******
People seem to insist Embassys and consulates cannot see your visa history. Personally, I don't believe it in 2017.
3 people all travelling together and all 3 rejected along with others according to the report.
3 people all travelling together and all 3 rejected along with others according to the report.
Michael ********
Yep the skimmed down version, even without the perks, is good value. 50,000 Baht a year for 20 years of no hassles. I feel for me...it is probably coming...
Ron *******
I think the best value one is the 1million baht option for 20 years. That option wasn't available when I first took the 5 year option at 500,000bht.
Yes it isn't cheap but I know people that were doing visa runs using decent transport and hotels and costing them between 15 and
I know you can do the visa runs a lot cheaper but I suppose it depends what quality of life you want.
Yes it isn't cheap but I know people that were doing visa runs using decent transport and hotels and costing them between 15 and
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bht a time all in. They have gone on the 5year option as it saves the grief for about 40,000bht a year extra. I know you can do the visa runs a lot cheaper but I suppose it depends what quality of life you want.
Michael ********
If it includes any sort of car from the airport to Pattaya that is good for me....maybe one day....when the finances are a bit more healthy...Damn oil price heading back up would be real nice....Thanks Ron.
Robert ********
That's the beauty of the program Ron, it has benefits to suit the various lifestyles of the different members. I prefer the daily spa, shopping lounge services and hotel / restaurant discounts.
Ron *******
Yes Robert I do but to be perfectly honest I only really care about the visa. If they stopped the extra benefits I wouldn't be too worried. I get 24 car services a year and as I normally have a night or 2 in Bangkok either side of travelling, the BMW limo pick up to and from your hotel service is a nice touch.
Robert ********
Wow, you get a lot of use from the travel benefits then Ron, good for you.
Ron *******
No Michael. The car if your on the Limousine service is only 50 Klm from the airport but I believe they offer a Toyota Camry service on there new programmes which go to 120klm.
Ron *******
Yes apparently they do and also in Pattaya. I just do mine myself because you need to drop it off one day to them and collect the next. I can drive to Jomtien immigration in 15 minutes so not worth it to me to use the TE service.
Jomtien is very quick for 90 day reports anyway and I can be in and out in less than 10 minutes. To be honest, I do so much travelling around I very rarely need to do a 90 day report anyway. I'm in the Phillipines at the moment until June so my next report would be September but I'm fishing in Bintulu East Malaysia in August so really my next report wont be due until November time anyway at the earliest. My last one I actually did was in February.
Jomtien is very quick for 90 day reports anyway and I can be in and out in less than 10 minutes. To be honest, I do so much travelling around I very rarely need to do a 90 day report anyway. I'm in the Phillipines at the moment until June so my next report would be September but I'm fishing in Bintulu East Malaysia in August so really my next report wont be due until November time anyway at the earliest. My last one I actually did was in February.
Robert ********
Not sure if Pattaya is included as well, I have personally only used BKK.
Michael ********
so includes car to and from Pattaya...nice
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@R**
, if you hold a TE card/visa and are in Bangkok, Chiang Mai or Phuket, they do your 90 day reporting for you too..Ron *******
It's not offered at Don Mueang yet. The proposal has been lodged by TE but as of yet hasn't been approved.
And yes you can stay a year
Everytime you leave and enter Thailand you will get a 1 year Stamp. That applies even if you left and entered weekly. A full years stamp each entry.
And yes you can stay a year
@Michael *******
. You just do your 90 day reports as per normal. If you stay a complete year and don't leave you will have to pay the normal 1900bht extension fee.Everytime you leave and enter Thailand you will get a 1 year Stamp. That applies even if you left and entered weekly. A full years stamp each entry.
Robert ********
They offer car service and personal service attendants at all international airports for arrival and departure.
Michael ********
yep and stay for a year no hassles right. They do reporting and everything....I know the car service is only for BKK...what do they cover for Patts...??
Robert ********
Even if you don't travel (such as myself) the
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concierge service and other privileges make it great value. Peace of mind is priceless.Michael ********
I am liking what I hear......Just would have to pony up the cash....not ready to do that at the moment...maybe later.
Robert ********
They do make the effort to get you cleared and into the car asap, barely enough time to buy duty-free.
Ron *******
I've always gone through with the TE ladies but then sit in the lounge while my luggage is collected.
Robert ********
I never see Immigration as the ladies handle the formalities while I sit in the lounge.
Ron *******
You even get a smile and a welcome from immigration.....Thats priceless 😂
Michael ********
I am seriously considering TE. Hear so many good stories and everything is hassle free. Yes its a wack of cash....but as with everything, you get what you pay for...
Ron *******
Mine too and I'm old enough to be on a retirement extension. All the time I can afford the TE visa, I will stay with it.
Robert ********
The Elite visa was one of my best investments, peace of mind for life.
Ron *******
@Tero ***********
there are 2 Pattaya papers published weekly. I have the article but it's on my computer back in Thailand.Tero ************
@Ron ******
Pattaya weekly? I do not remember there is a such newspaper. You mean Pattayamail?Robert ********
I am sure any measure to make remaining here yet even more difficult will have a multiplying affect for anyone staying long-term.
Tod *********
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, I remember the article, but I'd believe Pattaya Weekly about as much as I believe the TAT as far as what's gonna happen. :O I guess we'll find out in August ;)Robert ********
It will be worse yet Ron if they start cracking down in foreigners working here illegally as well.
Ron *******
If the report in the Pattaya Weekly on the front page spread from March becomes reality, watch out come August.
The report stated that from August 2017 immigration would start to scrutinise passports for people living here on the wrong type of visas. Be interesting to see what happens.
The report stated that from August 2017 immigration would start to scrutinise passports for people living here on the wrong type of visas. Be interesting to see what happens.
Robert ********
Even a mere 10 years ago it was relatively "simple"....
Robert ********
I understand that Tod, but if they wish to remain here for the long-term without the expense of returning to their "home country", it is really becoming increasingly difficult, particularly if they are on a budget and making a border bounce considered costly.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Rob***
, It's NOT all that hard for someone to pull a 6 month METV from a thai consulate in their country BEFORE they wash up here. Right now that's about the longest visa type available to people under 50, not married to a thai, not legally working here or not studying here.Ron *******
Yes but compared to a lot of places in the world, Thailand is easy on visas. You do have a choice.
Robert ********
The lengths which foreign nationals under 50 yrs old must go through to remain in Thailand for the long-term is really amazing....
Ron *******
Just to say the dispute I had was over non compliance of a TM30. They pulled the 1979 law on me so I asked them to prove I hadn't complied. Hence they pulled my whole history. I never won my argument by the way when they pulled it up 😂
Ron *******
I had a few land border entry's via Myanmar which would of still been Burma from 1980 which was 100% on the system. How that is there if what you say is correct I don't know. We're land border entry's up dated and loaded to the system at an airport? I really don't know.
Tod *********
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, I'm agreeing with you as far as all the immigration offices AND all the entry points sharing a data base NOW (y). However as recently as 2009 IF you entered by a land border your entry history was NOT put into any data base until you went to apply for an extension of stay at an immigration office, because NONE of the land borders were tied into the immigration data base..As far as the E-Visa system alleged to be in the works ;) , I'm of the mind it will be like the mythical 10 year visa touted a while back by the TAT, yet which there hasn't been a peep about since. :O
Ron *******
Should of said don't attempt a visa exempt entry. I've edited my post to reflect.
Ron *******
I know exactly what dept is what. I also happen to know that your very first entry into Thailand is now on the Database. Local immigration offices have the same access to the Database as immigration do at the airports. I've been shown it at Jomtien when I had a dispute.
You do know part of the E visa system is about to come on stream later this year?
How do you imagine that will work without a Database that Embassys and consulates couldn't access? In 2017 anybody that is issuing visas needs access to your history.
Also the visa would of been issued and then cancelled in order not to return the fees. IMO I also wouldn't recommend an attempt to come in on a visa exempt now. Of course, that's there choice. They may also wish to consider removing there Facebook page from what I saw.
You do know part of the E visa system is about to come on stream later this year?
How do you imagine that will work without a Database that Embassys and consulates couldn't access? In 2017 anybody that is issuing visas needs access to your history.
Also the visa would of been issued and then cancelled in order not to return the fees. IMO I also wouldn't recommend an attempt to come in on a visa exempt now. Of course, that's there choice. They may also wish to consider removing there Facebook page from what I saw.
Tod *********
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, Surprisingly the immigration office and the thai consulate are run by completely different gov't agencies. One is a division of the Royal Thai Police and they handing visas/extensions INSIDE the country.
The other is run by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and they sell visas OUTSIDE the country.
I also know exactly what an immigration office sees on the computer screens when you do a 90 day report, when you file for a yearly extension of stay and when you stamp into the country
Before 2006 there was NO central data base which showed entries/exits into the country anywhere except the airports (that started in 2005),
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now all the entry points are tied together. Changing passports might work to get a tourist visa from a thai consulate. However, when you stamp in, even on a new passport, your entry data from the old passport comes up on the screen.
Ron *******
Hold on a minute. How exactly do you or anybody know this? How hard do you think it is to link the immigration database? I take it you have seen what your local immigration office has access to? Trust me, I have and going back 20 plus years and could of gone back further.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTERThe thing is thai consulates CAN'T see your visa history because there is NO database for that.
That's why getting a new passport works when people have one filled with tourist visas.
All a consulate does is page thru your current passport looking at the stamps and visas for thailand.
That's why getting a new passport works when people have one filled with tourist visas.
All a consulate does is page thru your current passport looking at the stamps and visas for thailand.
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ORIGINAL POSTERIt means they paid for a tourist visa but it was denied after it was issued. What's bad is now it's in their passport and ANY other thai consulate will see it when they apply for a tourist visa from them..
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Kari ********
What does this mean exactly?
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