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What happens if I miss my 90-day TM47 reporting in Thailand before flying out?
As you know, you have to submit a TM47 every 90 days. Has anyone been in a situation where they forgot to do this? My deadline was three days ago. There is a fee of 2kthb for failure to report. I wonder if they make me pay this at the airport?
There is also a mention that in case of arrest the penalty increases to 4kthb. Could there be a problem at the airport due to this? Is it better to report late and pay 2k or not report when I fly out in a month?
Edit.
You are all wrong. I was just at immigration. Unnecessarily. This 90-day reporting requirement only applies to long-term visas for a minimum of one year.
There is also a mention that in case of arrest the penalty increases to 4kthb. Could there be a problem at the airport due to this? Is it better to report late and pay 2k or not report when I fly out in a month?
Edit.
You are all wrong. I was just at immigration. Unnecessarily. This 90-day reporting requirement only applies to long-term visas for a minimum of one year.
Answer summary
The 90-day TM47 reporting is mandatory for holders of certain long-term visas in Thailand. If you miss your reporting deadline, a fixed fine of 2000 THB is usually imposed, regardless of how late you report. It's noted that you have a grace period of 14 days before and 7 days after the deadline to report without penalty. Immigration at the airport typically will not penalize you at the time of departure, but they may remove your previous TM47 report slip. If you attempt to re-enter or require services that involve immigration in the future, you could be fined retroactively at that time. In some cases, people have reported that being polite and having a good reason for being late can result in a reduced fine or forgiveness from the immigration officer.
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Peter **********
If you overstay any visa you will usually be fined at the Airport on departure
Michael ********
OP@Peter *********
this is completely different broMichael ********
OPYou are all wrong. I was just at immigration. Unnecessarily. This 90-day reporting requirement only applies to long-term visas for a minimum of one year.
Dan ********
@Michael *******
EVERYONE is wrong? EVERYONE who stays or lives in Thailand happily for years, without the need to ask for help with their visa/permit of stay IS WRONG ?? Or YOU have been trying to do a 90 day report on a visa that doesn't require 90 day reporting ??
And just to correct you further, 90 day reporting is required on long term visas that 'ARE' of a minimum of one year.
You said "only applies to long term visas 'FOR' a minimum of one year", which means something completely different.
I know English is not your first language, but these small details can make a big difference
Michael ********
OP@Dan *******
read carefully. Only visas longer than 12 months need reporting.Michael ********
OP@Dan *******
yes this is exactly what I said 😊 Or what I wanted to say 😁Dan ********
@Michael *******
you speak more languages than I do, but I can see where you went wrong, and hopefully we can prevent it happening again. So yes, anything less than one year, including your 3 month visa - no reporting required. And if you get a 12 month extension of stay, then that WILL require 90 day reporting, continously, for as long as you are on that visa. Do it no less than 14 days in advance online/post, or upto 7 days after in person, or 2000 baht fine.Michael ********
OP@Dan *******
ok, I'm not that fluent. I have 3 months visa and I no need reported.Dan ********
To get the most accurate answers, you should start by stating your passport/citizenship, and the visa you are currently on, and what you are trying to achieve and why. It will us all time, and money, and prevent people banging their heads against a wall continuously.
Dan ********
@Michael *******
yes, that's what i said, and that's why I corrected you. "...applies to visas FOR a minimum of one year"
"...applies to visas OF a minimum of one year"
See the difference ?
"...only applies to visas FOR a minimum of one year". This suggests that 90 day reporting only applies to visas for a minimum of 1 year. That you will need to do 90 day reporting, on ANY and ALL long term visas, for at least the first one year of the visa, maybe more.
"...only applies to long term visas OF a minimum of one year". This says that only long term visas that are valid for a minimum period of one year require 90 day reporting. Any visas of a shorter duration do not require 90 day reporting. Which is what you've just experienced, which is why I try to explain the fine difference.
So what everyone was telling you was CORRECT and TRUE, for all visas requiring 90 day reporting.
But you've said "You are all wrong", like they are all idiots and you on your own have trumped them all.
Bryan ********
I was 2 weeks late in Hua Hin . Went to local Immigration Office , dressed smart , was humble , waid and appologised.Said I realise Im in trouble and have to pay the fine.Immigration officer was very nice and said dont worry , no need to pay and gave me a new 90 day slip.
Nongnuch ********
@Michael *******
They won’t make you pay a fine at the airport. BUT:
Immigration at the airport normally removes any 90-days report slip off your passport in case there is one.
The question what you can do, is a tricky one.
The best preparation would mean that you remove the slip yourself before you start your journey. In this case they won’t know that you missed the last due date.
However “your” Immigration on your next visit, if you need anything from them, might fine you 2000.- THB if they detect your missed 90 days report
The deadlines for a 90 day report by a personal visit are: you can do it up from 15 days before until 7 days later.
The deadline for an online report is: you should have it done at least 7 days before due date. After due date the online report will not be accepted
JD *******
Better To Pay It Than Getting To The Airport An Finding Out There's A Plane Leaving And You Won't Be On It; Then The "Real Problems" Begin.
Michael ********
OP@JD ******
mAyBe YoU hAvE rIgHt
Steve **********
Mike responded to you, but sent to Roberts comments....mai pen rai, go today, or on line
Michael ********
OP@Steve *********
online unavailable after due dateElisa *******
Do it on line next time 1 week before. Just go today, you have 7 days before fine kicks in. About 200 baht per day. They are nice.
Michael ********
OP@Elisa ******
if you can, please remove your comment because it's wrong and a lot of people here so your comment may confuse themElisa *******
@Michael *******
OMG LEAVE ME ALONE PLEASE. The modérator can do that if they see fit.Michael ********
OP@Elisa ******
you can do it yourself too. If you're not troll. But ok, you don't want. You like providing false information. Have a nice day.Stephan ***********
@Elisa ******
You don't know too much about 90 day reports, don't you?Elisa *******
Well here in Samui that is how they calculated it. I was 15 days late so they charged me 2000 which is the maximum. I watched them do it on the calculator and my Thai is good enough to converse with them on this subject. BUT the best of it is that they refunded me 1000 baht as a gesture of good will. It is the only time I have ever filed late. I now do it on line most of the time unless I miss the 1 week before window.
Selena ********
@Michael *******
oh I'm very much in love so therefore my day is wonderful. Thanks for asking ✌🏽Michael ********
OP@Selena *******
how's your day going, love is better than hateSelena ********
@Stephan **********
🥱 same old rethoric within these groups...Stephan ***********
@Michael *******
I know... wasted time... but somehow I'm in the mood today... 🤣Michael ********
OP@Stephan **********
women bro, don't 😁Stephan ***********
@Selena *******
Oh my... it's not about that... but what she tell is just wrong. That's all...But what do I know...? I'm just one out of the bunch... 🤣
Have a nice day...
Michael ********
OP@Elisa ******
so you're hater. Ok.Elisa *******
@Stephan **********
OK I am leaving this conversation. You can be right if that makes you happy.Stephan ***********
@Michael *******
Laws are always flexible... kind of... and the other thing is the enforcement... 😁Michael ********
OP@Stephan **********
that's why law is crazy in this countryStephan ***********
@Elisa ******
Believe it or not... there is no "per day" or "maximum"... the fine is fixed, it doesn't matter you are late one day or 10 month. But yes... on a good day they might give you a "discount"... as usual it's all up to the officer.Only if you get arrested, then this 200 baht come on top... but that's not what we are talking about right now.
Selena ********
@Elisa ******
a bunch of middle aged men itching to belittle someone... sounds about right here 😞Elisa *******
@Stephan **********
you guys just waiting to take someone down. Guess you don't have anything else to occupy you in life. I edited what I wrote immediately after because I realized that it was erroneous. You have a 7 day grace period.Stephan ***********
@Elisa ******
Well... maybe then you should also edit your definetely wrong statement about the "200 baht per day" fine... there is no such thing!Michael ********
OP@Elisa ******
I'm not hater, have a nice day EliMichael ********
OP@Elisa ******
3 day fine? What you talking about. You have 7 days after due date with no fine. The fine is not negotiable. You pay 2000 after 7 days, doesn't matter if you go 8 days or 10 days after.Elisa *******
@Michael *******
I read what I wrote and corrected it,lol. You move fast ! Anyway last time I was late reporting the fine was 2000 baht and I paid but when they gave me back my passport they had 1000 baht refund inside. So speaking a little thai and being polite does wonders.Stephan ***********
@Michael *******
Sometimes, if you have a good excuse for being a little bit late, they give you a discount... 😉Stephan ***********
@Elisa ******
Compared to Phuket? Not in my knowledge... we are quite blessed here with our guys.Elisa *******
@Stephan **********
I am in Samui and I guess immigration here is nicer ?Stephan ***********
@Michael *******
Nah... I don't think so... not even the guys here at Phuket are that nice... a broken leg or arm would count... on a good day... 😎Michael ********
OP@Stephan **********
the series on TV will be good excuses? 😁Stephan ***********
@Michael *******
I'm serious... a friend was charged just 1,000 bath for three days late... he was a the hospital after an accident. Even the IOs have a good day... sometimes... 😎Michael ********
OP@Stephan **********
hehe and free pad Gaprao 😜😜Roberto *********
Arrest?? I think you've been listening to bar-stool talk!
Steve **********
@Roberto ********
someone's playing w/ your head. Lot of fear spreaders at the bars.
I believe you can renew 15 days before and have a few days grace after. go to immig w/ smile and TM-47, they'll give you something stamp.
Ya occassionally you get a ' look ', but they're just doing a job.
Just looked it up. 2 wks prior, 7 days post.
Just get down there .
Michael ********
OP@Steve *********
ya i know that, problem is the immigration is far away from meMichael ********
OP@Steve *********
i don't understandSteve **********
@Michael *******
that's why suggested " he get down there "Michael ********
OP@Steve *********
you cannot do it online after due dateSteve **********
@Michael *******
can be done on- line, Years ago many prob with on line , now ok.
My immig is close so I like to visit myself, they see you often enough your yearly can be bearable.
Roberto *********
@Steve *********
You're talking to the wrong person 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Steve **********
@Roberto ********
just caught that...sorry.
Graham ******
@Michael *******
Rubbish, what site is this from?Michael ********
OP@Roberto ********
if you will arrested you have to pay 4000thb for it
Jon *****
@Michael *******
Just over 4000 bahts a month for 20 years of no hassle, some believe it's worthwhile. I agree though with the new price that went up 5 timesMichael ********
OP@Jon ****
tooooo expensiveJon *****
@Michael *******
EliteMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
when I'm foreigner, I have house here in Thailand and someone, also foreigners, visit me, i have to report it?Roberto *********
@Michael *******
It's only when foreigners visit.Michael ********
OP@Roberto ********
really? Every time if someone visit him? It's ridiculous.Roberto *********
@Michael *******
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Roberto *********
@Michael *******
Your friend can do it. In fact your friend is required to do it by law. Get your friend to register online, and then add you as a guestMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
I'm staying at my friend place, cannot make tm30Roberto *********
@Michael *******
You have to do it in person. Get a screenshot of your TM30 from hotel or lodgings where you are now and then go to the immigration officeMichael ********
OP@John *********
so trip is ahead 😁
John **********
@Michael *******
then you can only do in person as others have told youMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
my due date passed 3 days ago, I have only 4 daysRoberto *********
@Michael *******
When is it due?Michael ********
OP@Roberto ********
online cannot, form rejectedRoberto *********
@Michael *******
You can try doing it online. Your location is irrelevant. Otherwise do it by conventional mail, but you must post it 15 days before it's due. Otherwise get your hotel to file a TM30, and then go to your local immigration office and file the 90-dayMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
about this notification yet, I'm on holiday right now, 500km far away from my tm30 place. Can I report tm47 here?Roberto *********
@Michael *******
This is an open forum, and the admins do not like PMs. You can ask me anything right hereRoberto *********
@Michael *******
ED visa generally is not a 12-month stamp, you have to extend every three months. Non-O visas are usually 12-month extension stampMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
maybe you can help me, can I pm you?Roberto *********
@Michael *******
I know. 15 years living here you get to know how the system worksMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
what 12-month visas do you know? Retired and edu right? Any one else?Michael ********
OP@Roberto ********
yes you rightRoberto *********
@Michael *******
It's very possible! On a 12-month extension you need to report three times, but you can only be fined once. I know people who do it. They reckon it's cheaper than the taxi/train fares to immigration!Michael ********
OP@Roberto ********
It's probably not possible to have three failures to apply because you have to extend your visa every 3 months, so it's impossible to have three failures to apply.Roberto *********
@Michael *******
It's no big deal for immigration. They're more concerned with overstays. The 47 and 30 are just administrative processes which get them extra dosh in finesMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
yes of courseRoberto *********
@Michael *******
I can't access that, but I can only assume if a person is arrested for some other offence and hasn't notified, the fine increases. Trust me, you are not arrested for not filing a 90-day report. I know several people who can't be bothered with the process and simply pay the 2000 baht for THREE missed notifications when they go for visa extensionMichael ********
OP@Roberto ********
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Roberto *********
@Michael *******
Can you provide the actual link to this screenshot please?
Lynnette *******
Thought you had some leeway for 90 day reports.
Lynnette *******
@Roberto ********
I don't need any. It's not my question. I was agreeing there's leeway as Brandon said.Roberto *********
@Lynnette ******
I was responding to your comment about leeway. You do get a 21-day window.Lynnette *******
@Roberto ********
lol. Sorry, it was meant as "I thought so. . "Roberto *********
@Lynnette ******
Ah ok. You said you "thought" - I didn't know that you already knew thatLynnette *******
@Roberto ********
I know there is leeway. You asked how much more did I want. I don't.Michael ********
OP@Lynnette ******
not in Thailand, everything is crazy here 😁
Brandon ************
The window for doing 90 day report is 14 days before and 7 days after the due date.
Leaving the country before 90 days does reset the counter but leaving after 90 days doesn't change the fact that you missed your date. Next time you use immigration or do a 90 day report after returning, if they notice you failed to report last time, they will fine you then.
Missing your 90 day report will have no effect at at the airport.
The fine is 2000 baht regardless of whether you're 8 days late or 8 months late. Some people never do a report and just pay the fine each year when they do their next extension.
You're making it out to be a bigger deal than it is.
Leaving the country before 90 days does reset the counter but leaving after 90 days doesn't change the fact that you missed your date. Next time you use immigration or do a 90 day report after returning, if they notice you failed to report last time, they will fine you then.
Missing your 90 day report will have no effect at at the airport.
The fine is 2000 baht regardless of whether you're 8 days late or 8 months late. Some people never do a report and just pay the fine each year when they do their next extension.
You're making it out to be a bigger deal than it is.
Peter ********
@Brandon ***********
If one does travel or change locations within Thailand, and a new TM30 is filed as required at the new location within 24 hours, by the hotel/landlord/owner of the property where one is staying, does that also the reset the 90 day reporting requirement? I’m aware the 90 day clock/reporting requirement is reset every time one leaves the country, so I’m wondering if the same occurs for intra-country travel where one’s address report obligations are being satisfied by the new TM30, at the new location of stay being submitted?
Michael ********
OP@Peter *******
no. 90 days are counted from the date of entry.Michael ********
OP@Brandon ***********
can I go to any immigration bureau?
Kool *******
@Michael *******
no, you can only go to the one corresponding to your TM30 location.Michael ********
OP@Kool ******
thanks broKool *******
@Michael *******
everytime you change living locations a new TM30 must be filed of your location within 24 hours by the hotel/landlord/owner where you are staying. The local immigration office corresponding to this location of your current TM30 is where you file in person, no exceptions.Michael ********
OP@Kool ******
are you sure? What if I can't go there? I'm 500km far away nowMichael ********
OP@Brandon ***********
Why is there no mention of 7 days after the date on the immigration website? So I can report that the address has not changed until 7 days after 90 days? Can I do it online? You wrote elsewhere that you have to go in person. But why personally? If I submit my application online today, what will happen?Graham ******
@Michael *******
You're too late to report online, the up to 7 days after is only possible at the Immigration Office in personMichael ********
OP@Graham *****
can I send registered mail?Brandon ************
@Michael *******
the window for reporting online is 14 days before until the due date. If you submit it online it will be rejected.Michael ********
OP@Stuart **********
we don't know what Mr. Thai's grace will be
Stuart ***********
@Michael *******
no idea why, but presumably they are processed by the office that holds your records and their rules apply maybe🤔Michael ********
OP@Stuart **********
but online is globalStuart ***********
@Michael *******
yes I have 1 year visa. It seems to vary from office to office, some only allow online between 14 and 7 days before the due date.Michael ********
OP@Stuart **********
i think you can do it in the time period. Do you have one year visa?Stuart ***********
@Michael *******
when the window for online reporting closes.Michael ********
OP@Stuart **********
what you asking exactly?Stuart ***********
@Brandon ***********
to be expected I guess. I will stick to my method of applying online about 8 days before the due date, as it seems to work (so far).Brandon ************
@Stuart **********
varies by office. And Bangkok seems to change their approval policy from week to weekStuart ***********
@Brandon ***********
I am sure you are correct, being so knowledgeable Brandon, but I read somewhere that online reporting was 14 to 7 days before the due date. Is that incorrect or like many things, does it vary?Brandon ************
@Michael *******
no, you must do that 14 days before your due date.Michael ********
OP@Brandon ***********
can I send registered mail?Activity
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