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What visa options should I consider for my next stay in Thailand after a visa run?

Farang *********
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I have just done a visa run after a 60 + 30 days.

Flew to Vientiane from DMK. Advise you get an e-visa for Loas as visa on arrival queue was biblical and slow.

Arrived back today. IO wanted to know when I was leaving so produced my flight booking which will be 4 days before my new visa exemption runs out.

So back in Thailand.

Any recommendations for a visa next year.
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The post discusses a personal experience of doing a border run from Thailand to Laos after a visa exemption period of 60 + 30 days. The author shares insights on the return process, highlighting the importance of having an onward flight ticket and recommends getting an e-visa for Laos due to long queues for visa on arrival. Commenters provide additional advice regarding different visa options for long-term stays in Thailand, including the Non-O visa for retirees and caution against multiple border runs.
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Mark *******
Mark *******
Maybe I was lucky,but I did three border runs to Cambodia in just over 8 months in Thailand. Arrived in Thailand on the 2nd June last year,and departed on 11th February this year. Though next time will apply for a retirement visa,being 66 and a pension of over 65,000 baht a month!
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
Do have the 800.000 Baht to back that ?

You’ll need that for the first year where you deposit at least 65.000 Baht as clockwork every month.

Very few can get a affidit from their Embassy, to make it possibel to use the 65.000 option the first year.
Mark *******
Mark *******
I have heard about this and the answer is no! Maybe I'll consider Cambodia or Laos as a better option! Definitely cheaper and less westernized, plus could still visit Thailand!
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
@David **********
well, not meaning to nitpick, but . . . . . . . . . by the way, you didn't do a "visa run". You did a border run via air. . . . . . . It would have been a "visa run" if you had applied for a 60-days tourist visa or any other visa in the E-Visa online system of the Thai Embassy Vientiane, and waited out until you got the visa issued
Philippe *********
Philippe *********
Or do some thing different for the visa for example: possibilty to extend twice for a max 180 days... or 90 days visa... but not the same thing visa or no visa... thats make immigration crazy and tourist even more...
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
The 90 days is by international understanding, the limit for tourist travel, hence IDP is 90 days, travelinsurance also distinguishes travels is more or less than 90 days, etc.
Robert *********
Robert *********
Correct way ,so many try to beat the system
Philippe *********
Philippe *********
Paradoxically it was better when they were given only 30 days waiver...much less confusion for everybody
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
It was the same, then you also would be denied entry at some point.
Philippe *********
Philippe *********
@Henrik ****
but not with a visa
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
Congratulations! That onward flight ticket showing a flight out of Thailand before the expiry of the 60 days, saved you from being denied entry 🙂
Brian *********
Brian *********
@Gr**
why would he be denied entry. Stop scaremongering they rarely if ever refuse entry and don’t say you are seeing more and more. This is not the case. Just read the stats
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
@Brian ********
we are receiving reports from hundreds of people being denied entry on a second attempt to enter visa-exempt. Are you not reading the FB visa-advice and travel groups? I am reading in over twenty groups
Farang *********
Farang *********
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@Ni**
love it.
Ni**
Ni**
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
@David **********
Yep, it's all down to the rules of the SECTION 12. . . . . . . the previous travel history is what mostly counts, and you are right, the overall appearance. The attitude - are you polite? Never get agitated. Are you a "real" tourist or are you trying to "milk" the visa-free system? And never ever show them a rental contract, this will make you a "non"-tourist. Never say you visit your girlfriend - this makes you even more fishy in their eyes
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
@Greg **********
that maybe but why? Maybe multiple attempts, their dress suggest that lack money and may work, no onward ticket, etc etc. IOs in any country are not stupid but seen enough to know that people think they can trick them. Nope.
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
@Brian ********
A word – no warning and no scaremongering! – on the consecutive use of touristic entries.

Okay you have to realize this is not the Thailand it was BEFORE they went from 30 day free entry to 60 day free entry back on July 15th, 2024

It was a LOT easier to 'live here' or staying long term on free entry, than is now. And with a multi-entry tourist visas you had been able max it out to almost 9 months stay.

Apparently, according to what we read and hear every other day, Immigration has gotten progressively tighter over time about 'tourists' and consecutive visa-exempt entries

While in theory you can get almost 9 months of stay out of a 6 month METV, in practicality now we can’t tell if you'll get hassled at the border when bouncing out and back

I would say even on a single 60-days tourist visa you'd be questioned entering by air, given your previous entry/stay history is excessive. I would prefer to bounce by land and not do it by air.

And remember just because you have a valid visa in your passport it doesn't guarantee you entry.

All it means is if they let you in, they will stamp you in for the days the visa allows.

The safest way to get a second visa-exempt entry would be to use a “Visarun-Company” service to bounce you out and back by a land border. They have it set up so their clients do a border run without any issue.
Brian *********
Brian *********
@Gr**
sure you do buddy - you are the expert - I bow to your superior knowledge. Bs
Paul *******
Paul *******
If you get the 60 day visa exempt stamp and extend by a further 30 days at the Immigration office, Immigration class you as a tourist. If you then attempt to enter again on a visa exempt stamp, Immigration rightly consider that after on 90 day stay in the country that you are no longer a tourist but that you are attempting to live long term in the country. While there is no legal limit to the number of Visa exempt entries, once the Immigration officer believes that you are no longer visiting the country as a tourist he will deny you entry. 3. If you have already stayed for 90 days on a visa exempt entry, then in future to guarentee entry into Thailand, you need to obtain a long term visa suitable to the reason for your stay.
Farang *********
Farang *********
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@Paul ******
thanks. That I understand. Looking at that next but as they say it is complicated at the moment.
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Nelly *****
Switch to what? A Non-O is a long stay Visa for a number of reasons such as retirement, marriage, Thai family etc.
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Nelly *****
they both get a 12 month extension
Nelly ******
Nelly ******
@Graham *****
that's a non OA
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Nelly *****
Yes with 12 month Extensions of Stay hence long term
Nelly ******
Nelly ******
@Graham *****
non O is 90 days...
Nelly ******
Nelly ******
@David **********
Get a non O coming next time. switch that to something else when here.
Andy ************
Andy ************
You actually did a border bounce not a visa run
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
@Andy ***********
thanks. I thought the bounce was out and in on the same.day
Graham ******
Graham ******
@David **********
it used to be but many land borders now require one or more nights stay before re-entering
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
@Graham *****
I did three nights. But if you go to Vientiane get a hotel by.the night food market!!
Cruise ******
Cruise ******
@Andy ***********
what's difference? What would visa run entail?
Lawrence ********
Lawrence ********
@Cruise *****
Visa run is tou leave the country, apply & wait for a visa, the cross. Not an exemption stamp.
Brian *********
Brian *********
@Gra***
you can attend meetings what you can’t do is work in Thailand as a thai tax payer I think you are being rather pedantic and I’m unsure why. I’m trying to be helpful not upset anyone.
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Brian ********
you cannot work on a Visa Exempt entry;)
Brian *********
Brian *********
i telling you facts not having a debate buddy - Visa exempt is just that
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Brian ********
Why would a family visit be 60 days?
Brian *********
Brian *********
@An**
they are not tourist entries they are visa exempt could be work family or tourism
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
@Andy ***********
it is a little complicated at the moment.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@David **********
Haven't you got a non-O?
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
@Andy ***********
I retired 8 years ago and have no intention of working again. Probably should enter with a limp, cane and a Zimmer frame!!!

But still at the mercy of the IO.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@David **********
Probably not, but you'd still be at the mercy of the immigration officer when you're re-entering. If he believes you are working illegally in the country, you'll be denied
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
@Andy ***********
even if you stay 240 days a year outside of Thailand?
Farang *********
Farang *********
OP
@Cruise *****
I will not be staying an extra 30 days. Have a 1,500 hike, Lands End to John O'Groats to start. Then I will crawl back to Thailand if I survive!!!!😀🤣
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Cruise *****
That's correct. The only downside to border bounces are eventually you will be denied entry on account of trying to live in the country on free tourist entries
Cruise ******
Cruise ******
@Lawrence *******
thanks for clarifying. by doing this border bounce, he gets another 60+30 days or no? If yes, then what's the need of a visa then? If the visa also requires you to leave country?
Gardar ***************************
Gardar ***************************
Are you over 50? If yes then non-oa aka retirement visa if under DTV

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