What are the current rules and options for extending a non-visa entry stamp and obtaining a Non-O visa in Thailand?

Oct 27, 2022
2 years ago
Edwin ********
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OK. I realize that what the provincial Immigration official told me yesterday may differ from reality, so I am asking: I *think* she told me that (1) I can get a 30-day extension on my 45-day non-visa entry stamp for just THB 1,900, listing on the request form that my reason for extending is "tourism" (ท่องเที่ยว) and then (2) I can leave the country (to an allegedly friendly consulate in Malaysia, in my case) and obtain a 90-day non-Immigrant visa (NOT a Tourist visa, if I understand correctly, and I hope), and (3) I should add that the Immigration officer at Suvarnabhumi Airport warned me on Oct. 7 that I can *not* get another 45-day entry stamp, not until many months from now, because I have been in Thailand so often and so long, and also should probably not come back in on a Tourist visa, for the same reason -- "You have to come back in on a 'real visa,'" she said. Does all of this make sense.
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The conversation discusses the process and rules surrounding visa extensions and applications for non-visa entry stamps in Thailand. It confirms that a 30-day extension can be obtained for a 45-day non-visa entry stamp, citing tourism as the reason. Users provide insights on the possibility of obtaining a 90-day Non-O visa from a consulate after leaving Thailand and clarify the ability to work with a Marriage visa but not a Retirement visa. There are multiple mentions of personal experiences with the immigration process and suggestions for avoiding specific entry points due to perceived difficulties.
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Edwin ********
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Interesting note. Yesterday I discovered the handwritten notes that the Immigration officer gave me two days ago, and it looks like the 90-day visa she was suggesting to me was non-B, not non-O. (Now I need to ask a native Thai speaker to read me the rest of her notes, as my mastery of hand-written Thai is still not good!)
Edwin ********
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I wish to live in Thailand as fully as possible. Even if I also live and work in other countries, I would prefer that Thailand be my home base. My Thai friends seem to understand that naturally. Even local immigration officials seem to understand and approve, even though they have to follow rules set by other people in the manner that the officials (and their bosses) understand those rules. OK? (And I thought my feelings about this would have been clear by now; I have studied and worked for this a long time...)
Jo **********
the question you can ask yourself are you living in Thailand? That’s what they are really looking at. I am a very frequent traveler to Thailand but I work and live in another country, so it’s ok.
Edwin ********
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Yes. When I checked the non-O visa types online this morning, I realized that none of the categories fit my needs (as of 2007, the non-immigrant visa was a lot easier to get, because I had one...). So I am not sure what kind of visa I am allowed to get. All I know is that if I go to Malaysia with the matter not yet settled, I will go to the consulate in Kota Bharu (not Penang or KL) and will also try to have a backup plan in place (going to third countries for a while and then coming back). Further input is of course welcome...
John **********
I believe the only 90 day Non-O visas you can get in Penang are for volunteer or dependant, not for retirement. You can get one for retirement in KL but still have to show the required funds.

Whichever one you get can only be extended for the purposes it was issued
Edwin ********
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Total of perhaps 14 years, starting in 1980 (plus 3 years studying Thai formally at Cornell University -- in addition to grad study in anthropology) plus 1.5 years raising a then-monolingual Thai daughter who arrived at age 8, plus multiple years of marriage to a Thai woman who joined me in the USA (so I speak Thai pretty well and idiomatically, which probably helps me a lot). Most recent previous stay was nearly 9 years, first as Lecturer and briefly Chair of the PhD program in Asian Studies (now defunct) at Walailak University (5 years), then as an English teacher at a Thai government school, then as an official Volunteer at two Thai Christian charitable Foundations, and then several 90-day COVID era Visa extensions. Currently working on my next potentially long-term attachments, as I am clearly still very welcome back here in the place I consider my "home community." I hope those details help (smile)
Karsten ******
May i how how many times and how long each visit in a year you had made? With the statement “have been in Thailand so often and so long”
Edwin ********
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Good point. I have been getting the impression from this Group that SA is more difficult. And both of those are reasonably close to where I want to live, so will try to remember to explore those options (especially Samui, which may be *really* close.. )
Lisa ********************
You could try flying into Phuket or Samui from a neighbouring country. Swerve Suvarnabhumi.
Edwin ********
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@Brandon ***********
Your question about my age (over 50) and my marital status (not yet, this time, and I do not yet have the needed financial resources anyway -- probably just short of the minimum income, and still lacking the required funds in the bank) reminds me of an additional question -- I had once (a few years ago) been told that on Marriage Visas and Retirement Visas it is not possible to work, not even as a volunteer. However, yesterday I met an old British (?) friend who told me that he is teaching in Thai schools on a Marriage visa and that work is probably still possible if obtaining the correct work permit. Is this true, and would it also be true on a Retirement visa? (I am thinking well down the road, and in addition one of the nice perks of working on a Marriage Visa -- should that be able to happen soon -- is that I would be able to stay in-country if the job should end abruptly...)
Brandon ************
@Edwin *******
you can get a work permit on a marriage visa/extension, that's not a problem. Retirement is strictly prohibited from any work as it's retirement.

It's correct that you cannot volunteer without a work permit.

Many jobs dislike it when their employees get a work permit on their marriage visa rather than a non-B sponsored by the job, because they no longer have that power to threaten the employee with them losing legal status inside the country if they were to be fired.
Edwin ********
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@Brandon ***********
Good point. I learned from experience that Thai employers can often be predatory that way. Fortunately, the time that happened to me, I stopped by Immigration on another matter, and they (1) told me what the rule was, and then (2) said "You won't make it out [of the country] in time anyway, so just request a 7 day extension as a tourist." And before the 7 days were up, someone referred me to a charitable Foundation that was willing to issue me paperwork for a Volunteer Visa, which in turn led to a Work Permit for Volunteer work without pay, which was all I needed at the time. (The rest of your points are well taken as well.)
Edwin ********
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@Brandon ***********
Oh, that would be nice (changing to a non-O in-country) -- I will be sure to ask about that on my next follow-up with provincial Immigration (a second visit is something I was planning on doing anyway).
Edwin ********
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Correct. And the provincial immigration official said that the 30-day extension can be obtained up to 30 days in advance. First I have to get my house registration in order (and land-lady is out for a couple of days), and fortunately the Immigration officer did not seem too bent out of shape about my failure to properly register my four (4) previous "residences" since Oct. 7. (A matter I had been not mentioning to my hosts and hotels, because I am aware of how onerous this whole process can be for Thai owners, especially if they are not used to hosting foreigners like me...and fortunately the officer has decided NOT to require my current landlady to appear in person -- they are going to let me submit copies of her documents on her behalf)
Paul ********
@Edwin *******
The main reason some owners are reluctant to do TM 30 is they are renting “off the books” and don’t want to draw attention.
Edwin ********
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@Paulo ********
Fortunately not an issue in this case, as the Immigration officer helpfully listed all the documents from which signed photocopies are needed, and the owner's on-site representative has already offered to help facilitate everything.
Brandon ************
@Edwin *******
you generally need to have 15-21 days left on your stamp in order to apply to convert inside of Thailand. So you might need to get your 30 day extension first so you have enough time.
Michael ********
Yes that looks right i had same warning a few years ago.
Brandon ************
This all looks accurate, as long as you qualify for a Non-O visa. Are you over 50, or married to a Thai citizen?

Most immigration offices will let you convert to a non-O visa inside Thailand without ever leaving as long as you meet the requirements, but you can also get one from a nearby consulate as well.
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