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What should I expect when doing a border run to Tachileik with a history of back-to-back SETVs in Thailand?

Ivan ************
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I am planning to do a "border run" to Tachileik in Myanmar this weekend. I have five back-to-back SETVs, all extended in Chiang Mai where I have been continually (visa runs excepted) since March 2016. Am I likely to have any issues? I know the drill, $10 for the visit pass for Myanmar, I did it many times but years ago. My last visa-exempt entry was back in 2015, when I have a couple from Malaysia, none since then. I would hope, if this works, to then stay 60 days (30+30) and then go to Japan for a month or so. Are they likely to want to see money/accommodation/flights?
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The post discusses plans for a 'border run' to Tachileik, Myanmar, to manage visa conditions, with concerns about future re-entry into Thailand. The user has a history of multiple back-to-back Special Tourist Visas (SETVs) and seeks advice on potential immigration issues upon return, including necessary documentation like proof of funds, accommodation, and onward travel.
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Tracy **********
Tracy **********
does anyone have any information about that border hop .... please share it with me ... thanks
Charles ***********
Charles ***********
I did it yesterday. Easiest way is to use a minibus service specifically for the border bounce. Otherwise take a Green Bus from Arcade Bus Terminal 3 to Mae Sai and then a songthaew to the border. Then go to passport control on the Thai side of the bridge, show them your passport, cross the bridge into Myanmar, cross over the road to a small immigration hut, give them your passport and 500baht (or $10), if you don't want to go shopping an official will take you to another hut across the road, they stamp you out of Myanmar, then cross the bridge again into Thailand, go to immigration there, fill in the arrival/departure card (you'll probably have to ask someone for a card), take it to the passport control. Welcome back to Thailand!
David ************
David ************
Ivan I am just curious and of course you don't have to answer but, how do guys like you support your self over here? I mean are you guys independently wealthy, selling post cards at Khao San road or working legitimately? Seems like being on the witness relocation program or something, never settling and building a good life in one place. Just curious mind you.
David ************
David ************
@Ivan ***********
well then when you reach 50 and back I'll welcome you to the retirement club here. I did it 2 years ago. But I did hold off on my permanent exit from the US to ensure I fully paid into social security. That was always important to me for my wife's (Thai) security here. Anyway good luck on your travels.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
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David I think there is quite a mix of people, it is obviously quite cheap to live here relative to the West so it doesn't necessarily take extortionate wealth to do so. Some are on an extended trip on savings, some have income from home, some may have a property at home which they rent, some may have other investment income, some may have taken early retirement, some may have online businesses they keep ticking over, others of course are slaving away as illegal English teachers for 30k a month (often employed by the government ironically) but unable to get the correct visa perhaps as they lack a degree or whatever. But if you live modestly, even a relatively small income or investment from abroad could keep you going here basically indefinitely, you don't have to be Nelson Rockefeller. The minute I turn 50 if I am still in the vicinity I will be able to just go onto the retirement visa as I easily meet all the other requirements for that, I'm just too young. I know several people in basically my position but just the right (wrong) side of 50 and that is what they are on. How do all the retirees on that support themselves? And believe it or not I have met many a geriatric living here that CAN'T even meet the (rather modest) financial requirements of that visa, yet they manage somehow all the same... the average Thai has to live on 14k a month, so even if you are that English teacher on 30k or a retiree with no assets on a pension under the 65k minimum you are still on double or more the average local salary. Would you have a better life on $1,000 here or $2,000 in London, New York, Sydney, San Francisco? And even if you end up in a cardboard box here, at least the sun is shining.
Tod *********
Tod *********
Your history is one that doesn't look all that "touristy" no matter if you are or aren't a real tourist. I'd say definitely be able to meet all 3 of those proof-ofz comin' in visa exempt

10K baht, proof of onward travel in 30 days & a hotel booking or verified lodging.

They'll probably grill you but you'll most likely get in too.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Iv**
, right, that's different, you'll be fine bouncing out&in there.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
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Tod- just to clarify, this response is regarding coming back from Japan to DMK, not the border-bounce at Tachileik, right? Border-bounce at Tachileik I wouldn't need these three proof-ofs?
Jacco ***********
Jacco ***********
Yes at the very least he should be able to show them that with this entry record.
Jacco ***********
Jacco ***********
Five back to back TV's with extensions, I would worry, they might tell you "your holiday has been long enough" and either refuse entry or give you a 7 day stamp to sort out your affairs. It's funny how you went all high and mighty on me the other day, yet it is people like you that brought this on in the first place. Oh the irony.
Charles ***********
Charles ***********
@Jacco **********
"Your holiday has been long enough" is not how immigration officials think - they think "what are the rules" and "which part of the rules do we actually need to enforce".
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
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No, not the same, I went Penang - Vientiane - Vientiane - Hong Kong - Vientiane. But even there I don't fully understand WHY it makes a difference, each consulate can see in your passport how many previous visas you have and I don't understand exactly why it should make a difference whether they are from the same consulate or not. But I don't try to question the WHY of Thai immigration policy too much as that would be futile exercise, like a good Buddhist I just accept it for what it is and try not to concern myself overly over things I cannot change, I may as well wish the sun to rise in the West as to understand it and even if I did understand it what good would that do me it would still be what it is.
Jacco ***********
Jacco ***********
@Ivan ***********
yes they did, I am guessing not from the same embassy/consulate right ?
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
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Jacco, sure, and that is their prerogative, and if in the future they decide I can't get back-to-back tourist visas (or stop the Ed Visa) then I will go somewhere else, or look at splitting my time
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between Thailand and somewhere else if they decide on a 180 day rule, or whatever. I don't have to be here, I'm not tied to the place, I just like it here. I'd just point out that it is at the end of the day Thai consulates who have given me these five back-to-back visas, they don't have to do that but they do, so that is their decision.
Jacco ***********
Jacco ***********
@Ivan ***********
Listen, I think you have every right to try and beat the system, or to use TV's to stay in Thailand year round, which you seem to be doing. However I do believe that this approach will become more and more troublesome as time progresses. I personally think that Thailand should turn a blind eye to people like you, as long as you don't cause any trouble and not working illegally I don't see the problem. But I do believe the Thai powers that be look at it quite differently.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
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Jacco, I'm looking for practical advice here rather than what you think "should" be the case which is ultimately irrelevant. I am not "high and mighty" about this at all, I simply look at it from a purely practical standpoint, what are the rules and how are they implemented and if I do this will they let me back in or will they not. That's all. There is no "should" in any of this, I am just concerned with what actually happens, not what you think "should" happen. I will work within the rules and if Thai immigration decides in the future that this is not allowed, as is their right, I will go somewhere else, without whinging about it. So for now, my question is simply, can I do a border bounce within the rules, and it appears that I can, 2 per year like anyone else.
Jacco ***********
Jacco ***********
@Tod ********
Oh that's harsh very harsh, they certainly used to do that some years ago
Tod *********
Tod *********
umm, they don't sell 7 day get outta thailand stamps at the airports OR the borders when you enter. You either get in on the stamp you need or you don't get in.
Tod *********
Tod *********
You should have no problems "border-bouncing" at the Mae Sai - Tachiliek border crossing. $10USD to get stamped in and outta burma.

Know that you're limited to TWO 30 day visa exempt entries by a land border in a calendar year though.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
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Yes I'm aware of that 2 entry limit by land Tod, was just a bit concerned due to my history of many back-to-back SETVs. Thanks for the feedback. Flying back from Japan in August (where I believe getting another Thai visa is impossible for a non-resident) should I be concerned if I fly into DMK, or will they likely give me another visa-exempt entry? I can bring 20k with me to Japan, I believe it's a pretty safe country...

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