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What is the start date for a Non-O visa issued during the amnesty period in Thailand?

Lou ****
asked Sep 11, 2020
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Hello today I just have my non O visa. I did it with an Agency.

But on my stamp they put the date 7th of september for the day of begining of my visa.

But my question is : normally all visa start on the 27th due to amnesty right ?

Or not and I just paie one month for nothing....

I am waiting for news from the agency, but they took sometimes times to answer so I thought maybe someone is in the same situation ?

Thanks
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The user's Non-O visa starts from the date it was issued (September 7), contrary to their expectation that it would begin on September 27 due to amnesty rules. Comments clarify that while an extension might have its start date backdated to September 27 for applications made during the amnesty, a new visa like the Non-O does not follow this rule; it begins on the date of issuance. Confusion arises from different immigration policies regarding visa applications and extensions.
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Poompui ************
Poompui ************
Paul *******
Paul *******
Wait until you get your actual extension. It will probably be valid until Sep 26, 2021.
Frank ********
Frank ********
The end of my last Visa O-A-extension was 28.8.2020, the end of my new extension is 26.9.2021.
Lou ****
Lou ****
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Yes this is for shure what I know BUT when I applied they promise me that all visa even when you apply will start after amnesty and ruch me to do ot to be shure to have it and what ?? Surprise!!! Laws change and I just pay too soon...

Didn't do the chacha way !

Bur for shure i am happy! I have visa some don't !

:)
Tod *********
Tod *********
you GOT stamped in for exactly the amount of time you should and the visa started on the date the agency applied for it for you. You DID NOT qualify for having it dated from the 27th because you were not applying for an extension BUT a visa. They are two different things and you need to understand that..
Lou ****
Lou ****
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@Tod ********
me understand that but when I apply that is NOT what AGENCY PROMISED me.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Lou ***
they probably didn't know what they were talking about. Can't blame immigrations for that..

Remember when you use a service to get a back door, under the table visa, it is what it is :P
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Lou ***
happy it’s worked out! Even if not perfect... still great
Tod *********
Tod *********
Okay, let's sort this out. you applied for a non-O VISA right? And you got a Non-O visa stamped into your passport and a new 90 day entry stamp right?

It starts the day you applied for it, NOT from the 27th. you are confused about a VISA and an EXTENSION.. An extension would be dated as starting from the 27th, BUT a visa would be dated as starting the day you applied for it
Todd *********
Todd *********
the confusion for him and others MAY have been derived to an info bulletin sent out by TVC that indicated the start date would indeed be 27 Sept and that had been cleared with immigration.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Todd ********
the thai version says that the start date for ANYONE applying for an EXTENSION from Aug 1st until Sept 26th would be the 27th of Sept. It does not say anything about the issuing of VISAS, only extensions of stays.
Helloo *****
Helloo *****
@Tod ********
yes you are right and very clear..
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Todd ********
nope, not at all you can apply for an extension from a 30 day visa exempt entry stamp, a 60 day tourist visa stamp, a 90 day Non-Imm entry stamp, a year non-O-A entry stamp etc. As long as you're applying for an EXTENSION OF STAY between Aug 1st and Sept 26th, it will be dated from the 27th.
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Tod ********
an 'extension' would then apply only for people on an actual hard stamp visa prior to amnesty then - versus tourist exemption? Is that correct way to see this?
Tod *********
Tod *********
I answered it here
@To**
:)
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Tod ********
thx!! I can defer to that!
Todd *********
Todd *********
you paid a month for nothing, (they were supposed to start them on 27th) but so what really.... You have peace of mind now and 14 months to enjoy. Well done.
Tod *********
Tod *********
that is not correct :(
Todd *********
Todd *********
@T**
no problem... look forward to the answer
Reiner *********
Reiner *********
Well. Normally 2 weeks for the check ..in bkk plus the normal work...so they give u 1 month...but may be they call you earlier
Ilia *********
Ilia *********
I saw other passport like this in an agency, if it is comforting you. Guess it is normal these days.
Anne *******
Anne *******
My friend made her o visa and they put the date back to the last stamp she had. Soo she lost 2 month :(... So you can be happy.
Tod *********
Tod *********
your friend did that with an agency that couldn't get the visa issued IF they were on amnesty SO they back dated the stamp to the expiration of her entry stamp..
Lou ****
Lou ****
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@Anne ******
so bad... they plates with law and words one more time...
Dana *******
Dana *******
The Non-O VISA starts the day of issue. Normal.
Reiner *********
Reiner *********
@Dana ******
no wrong ...it starts after the process and you get then the one year stamp
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Reiner ********
I believe you are not correct,

you apply, on a date (let's pick Jan 1 to make it easy) the application goes under consideration for 14 days usually,

then you go back and they give you a Non-Imm visa dated from the 1st of Jan AND a new 90 day stamp also dated from the 1st of Jan (believe it or not the under consideration period is part of the time you get on the visa. :)

A year extension has nothing to do with it at all, seeing as it's added to the expiration date of the 90 day stamp you got from the visa.
Lou ****
Lou ****
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@Reiner ********
what you mean ?🤔
Reiner *********
Reiner *********
@T**
agreed but the normal way here on Phuket is you get a 30 days now ....normally not only 2 weeks because “ they say” it need for sure 2 weeks to check ...so they give u 30 days under consideration.....and ...just today saw the same in a passport from here.....but in this time nothing is normal ...and don’t knowing fro. Witch visa it comes ....Wright ......but let’s see what’s happening especially as she no tell everything just ask...does we know she is really in Koh Lippe ?
Ossie *******
Ossie *******
What agency you use
Lou ****
Lou ****
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25 000 thb
Jakub ********
Jakub ********
How much did u pay lou?
Lou ****
Lou ****
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@Ossie ******
thai visa centre
Bim *******
Bim *******
You sure it's legal
Paul *******
Paul *******
It is. They have an agreement with immigration. Why do people keep asking this? No one in their right mind would pay an agency for a fake stamp. As soon as you go to immigration you'd be arrested. Obviously no one wants to risk that. And no agency would be stupid enough to offer such a service.
Bim *******
Bim *******
@Paul ******
well in my experience over the last few months is this. Some agencies said they couldn't help me. Obviously the more genuine ones. Others said they could but ask for a huge fee and when you ask them if it's legal they don't get back to you. One guy quoted me 75 thousand bht for a one year stamp and when I asked him he asked if I was the Police. I know one person who is in the same predicament as me got his visa and he paid 45 thousand for it but he didn't have the 800 thousand in the bank so they put it in for him. Not legal. I asked the same company and when I told them I had the 800 thousand they couldn't help me. Be careful out there that's all I'm saying.
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Bim ******
I see. Although...it's Thailand. Corruption will take a long time to go away.
Bim *******
Bim *******
@Paul ******
my point is the corruption is illegal which ever way you look at it.
Paul *******
Paul *******
In other words, one would have to keep using a fake agency stamp indefinitely, and never leave Thailand in order not to be caught.

Anyway, maybe that's not what you implied. Many agencies will deposit the money into the applicants bank account. That's where the hefty charge comes in. The seasoning requirements aren't met, but a statement showing the funds can be shown to immigration. The officer pockets the money and approves the extension.
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Bim ******
I wouldn't say it's "not legal". Some agencies have an agreement with certain immigration offices and can do things that others can't. There is a lot of corruption in Thailand and that's how things work. Not all immigration offices will deal with these agencies, which is why specific ones are selected.

In Cambodia and Vietnam, most agencies would by your definition not be legal, since they all bribe immigration to get visas extended but that's the system there. Almost no one goes to get their extension done themselves, since immigration there generally won't approve one without the agent doing it on behalf of the applicant. In the vast majority of cases applicants have little to worry about.

Back in Thailand, you have law firms that do things by the book and can't help if your documents aren't in order. Some charge a hefty sum. Others are agents that charge just a few thousand Baht to do the legwork for you at your local immigration office.

The days of illegal stamps, which are totally fake are mostly over. They tend to pre-date the computerization of immigration records.

It would be insane for anyone these days to use a service (if one exists) which issues fake stamps, since at the first encounter with immigration, whether it's for 90 day reporting, to seek an extension or when departing the country, they would be caught, arrested, deported and blacklisted.

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