What is the reason behind the annual burn in Chiang Mai?

Jul 4, 2021
3 years ago
Greg *********
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WHY do they do the annual burn in Chiang Mai anyway?? Is it an agricultural thing? 🤔
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The annual burn in Chiang Mai is primarily an agricultural practice aimed at clearing land for the next season's crops. Farmers burn stubble to save costs associated with field maintenance and to enhance yields by mixing burned biomass into the soil. This practice is also observed in other Southeast Asian countries, contributing to regional haze issues. While some participants in the discussion acknowledged the economic motivations and benefits of burning, others raised concerns about environmental impacts and air quality.
Marcus *********
lmfao - yes, its an agricultural thing.

It is cheap to clear the ground for next season's growth.
Exit **********
Look, it is forbidden. What is forbidden, makes more fun ...
Kool *******
It is not burning around Chiang Mai that's the problem. Chiang Mai sits in an area that gets wind patterns blowing smoke in from Laos, Myanmar, and the Eastern side of Thailand, multiplying the problem.
Shayne **********
@Kool ******
haze.asean.org same story for 20 years.
Shayne **********
@Kool ******
for sure but no one will stop burning for one year so we can get a baseline level. Simple standard Thai response is blame someone else. Not forests, corn. Not corn, forests for mushrooms. It's always someone else's fault, never mine. Even when standing beside a fire, they will blame someone else.
Kool *******
@Shayne *********
you have to understand that in agriculture there is a very thin profit margin on the commercial export markets, so anything you can do to save money you do. It saves money to burn, rather than the alternatives.
Shayne **********
@Kool ******
it's actually Corporate Polluters! If they took the whole corn plant, there's nothing to burn. And it's stupid talk about putting the burnt leftovers back into the soil, because the Corporate Polluters are selling them everything, the seed, the fertilizer and the banned pesticides. Well not actually banned pesticides because the Corporate Polluters paid off the committee deciding to ban those pesticides.
Kool *******
@Shayne *********
taking the whole corn plant simply diverts where the cost of separating the corn from the stalk is done. It's the same with every other field crop. It doesn't matter who sells them everything. That part is uniform the world over. I grew up in a farming community, with 50,000 acher farms being small. You are not thinking on a global scale, and Thailand sells on the global scale.
Shayne **********
@Kool ******
Corporate Polluters meet the community/farmer's delivery guys at several central locations, they have a kernel separator and they send the cobs back with the delivery driver for the farmers/communities to get rid of.

The are very smart but have disgusting practices and are above the law and government. The whole thing is a joke where they win all the time. If a farmer doesn't pay for chemicals, they take the farm. If the farmers want a little bit more money they buy from Myanmar at half the price. A few years ago they crashed the whole market for corn in the north with one decision, thankfully they backed down.

I think they purchased 600 million tons from Myanmar last year.

On the other side, last year pork prices skyrocketed, why? Because Corporate Polluters were selling more to China due to their pigs being diseased. They have everyone by the short and curlies.
Shayne **********
There have been people talking about the smoke and pollution problem for many years and that's the problem, they just talk, or they talk about how to measure it, or they talk about where it is, or they talk about making safe places or they talk about air purifiers, or they talk about who is burning, or they talk about laws, or they talk about inversions, or they talk about others countries, or they talk about action plans, or they talk about what districts should do, or they talk..... or they talk.... or they talk... And what do they do at smogathon, they talk about stuff, draw stuff, make lists, make plans, present plans and ideas, but again it's just talk.

Why do I know this? I have 11 years in Chiang Mai, I have observed lots of this. But I am in the LINE group of the Chiang Mai Breathe Council , and why do 636 like this page because since it was around 200 people I have been promoting it. The LINE group again just proposes more of this talking, every day. Then the is Chiang Mai Green Council and they also talk a lot. Then there was a group of farangs talking about smoke with a reputable local expat website. And now 50 different government groups talking.

The answer is simple I posted it recently

We don't need masks!

We don't need safety zones!

We don't need to fire limited supplies of water up into the air!

We need to stop burning fields!

We need to stop burning forests!

We just need STOP BURNING!

We need to punish the burners!

Please tell everyone this!

Lastly, I make a post once a year usually...

Can we pin a post about the smoke? So that people read about the smoke rather than making another post about the smoke? I think the smoke sucks, but I live here in the smoke and I deal with the smoke. I just don't want to talk about the smoke every day and hear about people in the smoke whinging about the smoke and the people out of the smoke whinging about people whinging about the smoke and posting pictures with no smoke. You are not going to affect the smoke one single bit, so live with the smoke, do what you have to do to survive the smoke or leave the smoke (and do it quietly). And I know there is no smoke at the beach, I just don't want to see no smoke. Unfortunately I can't pay for a pinned post about the smoke.
Ruth *******
@Shayne *********
Personally, I love Chiang Mai, but for health reasons, I cannot be there during burn season. While I understand your frustration, I’d like to be kept informed on when exactly this begins and ends and what to expect. I’d like to plan accordingly. You can scroll right by for any posts you don’t like. I have needed to scroll past plenty about coming to Thailand to take advantage of the women and how dare those women turn it around on the men. You can deal with a few posts about smoke during the burn season.
Shayne **********
@Ruth ******
I wrote the bottom bit in 2016, I think, for a bit of fun.

I just got sick of 20 posts per day saying exactly the same thing, when the person complaining could easily leave. I unfortunately can't leave.
Bob **********
A lot of illegal burning
Steve *******
They do it just for fun! Of course it's agricultural.
Greg *********
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@Steve ******
Well I have burned things just for fun before, so you never know...
Greg *********
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Yes, that's what the judge said too. 😫
Steve *******
@Gregory ********
That's pyromania not agricultural!
Troy *******
I guess it's not common knowledge .... Umm... A LOT of seeds need to be burned in order to germinate and burning the rice crops in a specific pattern (then mixing the burned sludge with other shiz) yields over twice the amount of rice-output of not doing it. There's docos about this. That's how I learnt.
Duncan *******
@Troy ******
they burn the waste, nor are seeds always common here versus cuttings.I didnt watch a doco, I live in the middle of rice paddies.
Curtis *******
@Duncan ******
oh boy…. You’re going to make the environmental crazies even crazier
Sammy *******
@Duncan ******
I know in the US years ago, they burned the stubble because it was the cheapest way to clean the fields and get ready for the next crop. is that the reason here?
John **********
@Duncan ******
Lol fire for germination. What planet you on. They do it because they are halfwits
Duncan *******
@John *********
why don't you try reading the thread again - I didn't say fire for germination, I was responding to someone who said that by noting they burn the waste.
John **********
@Duncan ******
I wasn't responding to you I meant Troy's. It tagged the reply wrong
Duncan *******
@John *********
ok then :)
Richard ********
seeds need water to germinate not fire
Troy *******
@Duncan ******
... And still a lot of crops DO NEED to be burned to germinate... But its probably not rice 5555
Troy *******
@Duncan ******
I believe you.. for me the standout idea that I remember was about importance of the burn in order to massively increase the product yield.
Kuan ******
Yes the farmers do it in Indonesia as well .. which is why Singapore gets a haze in July to October
John **********
@Kuan *****
No they don't. Not on the scale of Thailand. That's when they burn massive swathes of forest so they can sell to some scumbag palm oil producers
Greg *********
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@Kuan *****
I've never been to either place, so just how unbearable is it? Can you escape it when inside?
Holly ******
@Gregory ********
there’s no escape. You can go inside with heavy duty air purifiers working
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. But if you’re not there or don’t have to be, don’t go. That’s my experience in Chiang Mai.
Greg *********
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@Holly *****
Understood. But other than that, I've only heard good things about the place.
Duncan *******
Annual? There's someone always burning something. If you mean the main burning season, economics and a fetish for hed thob mushrooms.
Stan *******
@Duncan ******
laziness and alcohol.... They don't want to turn over the crops they've harvested to fertilize the soil
Duncan *******
@Stan ******
I'd even suggest stinginess when it comes to general rubbish - most of my neighbors burn their rubbish let alone their rice waste. We have a local garbage pickup but you have to pay for it. I think it's 50 or 60 baht a month through the teesaban for the service.
Phill ******
yes .
Duncan *******
@Richard ******
that may be true down south but not in Chiang Mai.
Greg *********
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And it's absolutely necessary?
Richard *******
@Gregory ********
, The sugar growers get a higher price if they burn the cane, it reduces moisture and waste for the processing… but not absolutely necessary…
Greg *********
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@Richard ******
Thanks for the explanation!
Phill ******
@Gregory ********
not at all .
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