What impact does inflation have on the Thai Baht and the experiences of expats in Thailand with exchange rates?

Jun 15, 2022
2 years ago
Garrett ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER
We made it everyone, we finally made it. I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone who worked so hard to crash the worlds economy and facilitated the insane inflationary growth. 40 baht, here we come.
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The conversation highlights concerns among expats regarding inflation and its impact on the Thai Baht's exchange rate against the dollar. Many comments reflect on the historical context of the Baht's value, with some expressing relief at current rates while cautioning about the looming economic conditions. Participants debate the implications of inflation, the US's economic policies, and the effects on living costs in Thailand, ultimately noting that while current dollar strength benefits expats, it simultaneously brings challenges tied to global economic instability.
Steve **********
The dollar becomes more scarce when interest rates rise.
Craig ********
demand for dollars rises but it does not become more scarce.
Craig ********
here is a chart of the money supply of US dollars over time since the 1960. Increasing interest rates increase demand for dollars, but do not affect the supply of dollars.
Craig ********
there is a difference between demand for dollars and the supply of dollars.
Craig ********
interest rates have nothing to do with the money supply
Steve **********
@Craig *******
Rising rates reduce money supply. Simple economics.
Osama ************
First Russia attacked Ukraine.

Then US administration decided to boycott Russian oil as a form of punishment.

As usual, Australia and European countries say Amen to uncle Sam!

And since March 8 this year, the world citizens have been feeling American punishment to Russia in THEIR OWN POCKET šŸ˜šŸ˜¶

To further handicap world economy, the US Federal Reserve increased interest rates up by 1.75% this year so far and expected to be increased up by 3.75% at end of 2022.

WTF! I better roll me one, find me cheap 6-pack and crash under a tree until things get better šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
Terary **********
@Osama *************
No better place than Thailand to do that. It's impressive however, all of this is uncle Sam's fault. LIke he made Putin invade Ukraine? He made Australia and EU into thoughtless puppets?

There is no one root cause but Covid was a big factor and everybody knows that is a a Chinese ploy to take over the world.
Osama ************
@Terary *********
yeah that's what Trump always said
Steve **********
Osama Samb Hadanah are you getting your numbers from a weggy board. Increase of .75% with a possible goal of 2% total by year end .

None of this is related to Ukraine.
Osama ************
@Steve *********
of course no relation to Ukraine or Russia. I simply mentioned it as one of 2 ways used to handicap world economy šŸ˜
Steve **********
Hadanah The term handicapping I believe is to numerically provide an edge for one of the participants to level a playing field .

With world economy today under WEF, is there need for handicap.
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Boom Friday morning!!
Oliver ********
I think you might need to re-read a few pages from your high school economics textbook. The USD has strengthened against the THB, EUR, and GBP, despite inflation (which is higher in the US than in Thailand, the Eurozone, and the UK), not because of it, and FX rates are determined by the relative strength of national economies, not the global economy (currency pairs aren't equities).
Garrett ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Oliver *******
You're right, the world economy is getting much stronger, US is booming.
Oliver ********
@Garrett **********
I think you may be misunderstanding what FX rates are. The strength of the world economy overall is irrelevant. What matters is the RELATIVE strength (or weakness) of each of the national economies underlying those currencies.
Danny *******
The Dunning-Kruger effect very evident here. šŸ„±
Craig ********
it seems crazy that people spend their lives with money as a major component... working 40 hours a week, the majority of their lives, to make it. Spend it, save it, marriages end because of it.... yet people have no bloody idea what it even is and they certainly don't understand how it works.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Yet, try and get along without it, especially as you get older. Something to think about.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
indeed.... here is a brain twister i like to ask my friends:

Define "money".

it's rare to even get an answer... usually i just get a stupid look. Other times they try to be cute and say something like "the root of all evil" which is just some cliche they heard but don't understand. And I can related. Until I found bitcoin I could not have given a good answer either. But studying bitcoin led me to study economics. Now I have a pretty good idea of what money is and how it works.
Merry *******
@Craig *******
Money is just something that we have all agreed has value and we can trade it for things a person may want or need. Thats all it is, in its most basic form.
Mark ***********
This entire inflationary cycle was started with Trump's insane and unhinged trade war with China.
Alan *******
@Mark **********
No it wasnā€™t. You donā€™t know how inflation works if you actually think that.

Thereā€™s no such thing as supply chain inflation.

Inflation is a direct result of currency supply vs GDP.

Just imagine how much worse this would be if the Democrats got the 2-3x more money printing they asked for the last 3 years.

That money printing is what caused inflation. This is economics 101.
Mark ***********
@Alan ******
totally wrong. A simplistic blame game. Trump increased the total deficit by 7 trillion. He spent money like a drunken sailor on shore leave. He was very irresponsible.
Alan *******
@Mark **********
Totally wrong on what lol.

Just saying ā€œtotally wrongā€ isnā€™t an argument.

Yeah, trump spent a lot and itā€™s an easily demonstrable fact that it was the democrats constantly pushing to spend more.

They were the ones pushing for trillions more in handouts in each stimulus and economic aid package.

They were the ones endlessly pushing back the end date for government subsidized rent programs.

Would have been 10-11 trillion in added deficit if not more if they had their way.

Standing up to the CCP over their shady and illegal trade and currency manipulation tactics didnā€™t cause this inflation.

CPI inflation is a direct result of increasing the M2 currency supply. Period.

Donā€™t take my word for it, look it up. Go see what Nobel Prize winning economist Milton Friedman has to say about it.
Edgar ************
@Mark **********
The inflationary cycle was created by a biological agent deliberately released from a certain asian country. Everything would be completely normal right now if that never happened. I dont agree with the trade war either, free trade benefits the mass populace and keeps costs low. But I can say categorically that China is the number one problem facing the existence of human civilization.
Mark ***********
@Joshua ************
total BS. Trump started this cycle with his ridiculously misguided trade war on China. Believe what you want. Embrace falsehood.
Edgar ************
@Mark **********
No, that's a shortsighted emotion-driven Biden voter conclusion. Utter nonsense.
Mark ***********
Trump spent government money like a drunk sailor.
Mark ***********
Again, brain dead diatribes, without any fact checking. Giving away trillions in covid relief without asking anything in return was the dumbest thing a president has done since Watergate. The annual inflation rates for dozens and dozens of goods routinely purchased by American households - including food - were already at their highest levels in a decade before Biden entered the White House early last year.

That's in large part because of the COVID-19 relief spending enacted under Republican Donald Trump's administration with overwhelming Republican support in the Senate. It exceeds what Democrats have allocated so far by roughly $1 trillion.

That money kept household balance sheets intact during the crisis and allowed consumers to keep spending despite double-digit unemployment. Moreover, household savings rocketed to unprecedented levels, providing tinder for more spending on activities like dining out and travel once those became widely available again.
Mark ******
@Mark **********
You are seriously insane! biden the Senile took over a roaring economy from Trump and seriously FUC@ED it up with his leftist agenda!

Seriously! I am not even American and I know that....in fact, the entire world knows that except deluded American liberals!
Garrett ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ma**
Hahahahhahaha, wouldn't expect anything less from a Californian.
Alex ********
@Garrett **********
any chance to bash Trump.

Let it go dude.

Face the fact that Biden's fiscal policy is as good as his cognitive capabilities..... and we both know how shit his cognitive abilities are
Mark ***********
@Garrett **********
and wouldn't expect any debate or questioning from a loyalist.
Mike *****
Let's go Brandon.

We couldn't have done it without you!
Steve **********
Was 45+ when I got here.
Chris *********************
@Steve *********
used to be nearly 60 years ago
Steve **********
@Chris ********************
Sorry Chris. Was here in Nov of 02, Thai Baht was 45. Baht / US.

Moved permanently just before Tsunami, it had slipped a bit .

Google has all this info if you know how to ask Q.
Chris *********************
@Steve *********
I'm talking about the Ā£rate mate I think we got our wires crossed
Steve **********
@Chris ********************
Ya, neither was clear.

Will never see those rates again. Thai's have it bad enough now with Covid/ tourist ripples .
Chris *********************
@Steve *********
me and the wife went to Pattaya last weekend, very quiet.

Majority of tourists were Indian or arab
Steve **********
@Chris ********************
Have friends in Pattaya, they keep me UTD,

Very quiet, work stopped on walking street.

Was going down myself, but UK friend killed in motorbike accident here in CM.

Maybe next month.
Chris *********************
@Steve *********
walking street is a accident waiting to happen, we went down Saturday night
Steve **********
@Chris ********************
ha..had many an accident on walking st. ( and bamboo bar ) in past ( younger )

years.
Chris *********************
@Steve *********
šŸ˜„ I can only make it as far as lucifers šŸ˜„
Bonnie *********
Coming from a rich country to a poor country, I would hope youā€™d be more compassionate, not so selfish.
Jamie *******
@Bonnie ********
You do know that a weak currency actually BENEFITS many people, right? For years, businesses have been leaving Thailand and going to neighbours instead because of the exchange rates, among other people.

A weaker currency will mean more exports, and more tourists, helping some of the poorer people in the country. A weaker currency will help give the economy a much-needed shot in the arm because people will bring more foreign currency into the country.

All this time a strong baht has been affecting people's incomes, have you spoken out for those suffering?

No?

How could you be so selfish?

Or did you just not understand how it works?
Bonnie *********
@Jamie ******
nice attempt at justification for exploiting people.
Jamie *******
@Bonnie ********
Are you stupid or something?

How does currency changes mean that I or anybody else are exploiting people? Especially consider a weak currency BENEFITS many poor people.

Explain, if you can.
Steve **********
@Bonnie ********
agree, no pleasure in watching those who suffer, suffer more.
Paul ********
@Bonnie ********
To the best of my knowledge, there isnā€™t a person here who has an ability to impact the exchange rate by even one Satong.

There is no lack of compassion in celebrating oneā€™s own good fortune in circumstances where one had zero control over outcomes.

Given the state of the world today, with cruel injustice everywhere, you would have us all in a continual state of scowling self-denial, if not full-on self-flagellation.

But virtue-signaling has its limits, and even the most compassionate among us are permitted to celebrate from time to time. Lighten up, Francis!
Bonnie *********
@Paulo ********
The OP is using a poor country to their advantage and yelling at the horrors of the world while taking a 1kā‚¬ flight to a country where their dollar goes more. At the same time, they are blaming the world and others.

Feh, I stand by my words.

Thanks for letting me know what kind of a person you are.

Hope we never meet up.
Alan *******
@Bonnie ********
No, OP made a joke alluding to the effects of the terrible way the global economy was managed during Covid and is still being managed.

No taking advantage, no yelling, you have no idea if they took a flight or what they paid for it.

Also, pumping money into the Thai economy is the opposite of taking advantage of them.

Or would you prefer people donā€™t spend money in a country heavily dependent on tourist and expat spending?

How compassionate to the millions of Thais who rely on that income to survive.

Lying to justify your unhinged take on his joke shows us what kind of person YOU are.
Bonnie *********
@Alan ******
teak, all the western males exploiting others in the sex trade is so helpful.
Alan *******
@Bonnie ********
So youā€™re a sexist too. Figures.
Paul ********
@Bonnie ********
You certainly woke up on the judgemental side of the bed this morning. Since youā€™re claiming to be a compassionate person, I would hope you might have learned to argue a point instead of sarcasticly attacking another personā€™s character in your first breath.

I guess you skipped the day in Compassion School where they discussed the evils of ad hominem attacks.

I hope we never meet up as well. I have little patience with judgemental hypocrites, and you sound a lot like one.
Sandra ***********
USD and EURO will soon be the same it seems
Nick **********
Yep, they've done a stellar job screwing everything up.
Johnny ******
Great as my salary is in $
Karim ***************
@Johnny *****
everything is more expensive so youā€™re not getting more for your money. Except for beer on Soi pothole šŸ˜‚, so thereā€™s that. Well done
John *******
@Karim **************
Ummā€¦obviously if heā€™s paid in $ heā€™s getting more than he otherwise would of everything.
Karim ***************
@John ******
no because inflation is also a Thai problem. The cost of many products has shot up
*****
% in Thailand
John *******
@Karim **************
Youā€™re not quite getting what exchange rates mean.
Johnny ******
@Karim **************
when I came here in 1992, the exchange rate was 25, trust me, 35 is much better.
Karim ***************
Yes the rate is substantially betterā€¦ Not the best itā€™s ever been for me but better. But your money wonā€™t go as far.
Briton *********
Idiotic lockdowns to thank
Bonnie *********
@Briton ********
yeah, it would be so much better if even more people died.
Alan *******
@Bonnie ********
166k people die each day. Mostly from preventable, even easily preventable things.

No outrage and global reaction to that.

Also, nothing was stopping high risk individuals from taking measures to minimize contact with others, lockdown or not.

And the death toll from a global recession will easily eclipse the deaths from Covid.

Increases in stress, alcoholism, suicide, poverty, obesity.

And those will stick around for the better part of a decade.
Bonnie *********
@Alan ******
so you donā€™t think people who lost family members to covid means squat. What a great human you are.

Thanks for letting us know how you vote.
Alan *******
@Bonnie ********
So you donā€™t think the countless suicides, hundreds of millions who faced and will face food shortages because of lockdowns mean squat?

How about the 30k people the UKā€™s NIH estimated would die because they missed cancer treatments due to lockdowns?

How about the millions that will die in the coming decade due to the global recession and inflation thatā€™s only getting started?

If you think the mortality rate of widespread poverty and food shortages is trivial, go do some reading on various famines and major economic downturns in recent history.

Itā€™s estimated that the Great Depression, only in the US, caused 7 million deaths and that was at a time when the US population was less than a third of what it is now.

By your line of thinking, I guess youā€™ll have to tell their families that someone elseā€™s life was worth more because reasons.
Briton *********
@Bonnie ********
cannot agree with you more. Glad you get it
Terary **********
When Obama left it was at 36.
Brett ***********
whoever has more than the money they need for day to day operations in the bank is a fool. they are stealing from anyone who holds money. A tax no one has a say in. It's that simple.
Craig ********
that's right.... this is why the smartest people I know store their wealth in bitcoin, not a bank and certainly not in a fiat currency
Brett ***********
@Craig *******
well, not sold on bitcoin. I bought gold at 1800 and it's 1824 now. I bought bitcoin at 50k and it's 30k now. It is more of a speculative asset than a store of value. Maybe in 30 years it might be used for real trade, but until then it's the same as tesla stock, without a company backing it...
Craig ********
@Brett **********
If you are "not sold on bitcoin" it probably indicates a lack of study and education on the subject. In my experience the more a person learns about bitcoin they less they worry about short term volatility.
Brett ***********
@Craig *******
text me in 10 years. not having bitcoin debate. no one freaking knows now.
Craig ********
@Brett **********
yes, no one knows you're right about that. But one thing I'm absolutely convinced of, Bitcoin is either going into the millions per coin, or to 0... there is no in-between for it.

Time will tell. I've done my homework and placed my bets. Time to let the market do it's thing
Chris *********************
@Craig *******
let's hope you rite
Brett ***********
@Craig *******
agreed, just got a notice it crashed to 20 k. People are selling because they want/need to cash to live. Hyperinflation is next once all that fake stock market money gets spent on stuff. the end is nigh. The only thing that didn't sell off dramatically over the last 2 months... gold. I don't own gold to make a profit, FYI.
Craig ********
@Brett **********
retail investors are not selling. We can see exactly what the small investors are doing because bitcoin's ledger is public. What's happening now is institutional liquidations from companies that trick people into giving them their bitcoin for a yield.
Ed ******
@Craig *******
next 2 yrs the fed will be destroing so many people lifes and noone can do nothing about it, all these fed policies are for decreasing the gap even more between 1percenters and middleclass, they pushing for depression not recession, and will buy out on the bottom with strongest usd ever
Craig ********
@Brett **********
gold is the same price it was in 2011, but not accounting for inflation.

Bitcoin is the best store of value on Earth if you zoom out more than a month or two. Just how fast do you expect your inflation hedge to work?
Brett ***********
@Craig *******
we will see. I bought both. Gold has been money since ancient egypt, bitcoin has been "money" since never. but we will see, I'm not anti bitcoin. It might revolutionize the world once it has real price discovery, which might be impossible. If the global order crashes, people will still want gold. Bitcoin, probably not. You can't trade bitcoin without electricity and internet. if the currency crashes and bitcoin replaces it, those who have it now will rule the world.
Craig ********
@Brett **********
without electricity your shiny yellow rock is worthless, you need ammo, food, and water.

Gold is not money today... in the past yes it was, but certainly not today. I can buy coffee with bitcoin, but i cannot buy coffee with gold.
Bonnie *********
@Craig *******
funny how you put ammo first, youā€™re such a good, brainwashed person.
Craig ********
@Bonnie ********
without ammo you cannot hunt and you will likely starve to death if the power goes out for an extended period of time. Do you have any idea how much food you have to grow to feed a family for a year using a garden?

I can harvest one elk and get 220 pounds of meat.

Brainwashed by whom? My father, who taught me how to hunt for my food when I was a child? I find this comment a little insulting, until I realize that you are just ignorant of how nature actually works.
Terary **********
@Brett **********
I shorted bitcoin at 40K, it went to 70K I lost it all. Fuck bitcoin
Ed ******
@Terary *********
how could u lost if it went to 70k lol, its ur greed to blame
Terary **********
@Ed *****
Yeah - greed is a significant part of it.
May **************
USD strong, THB weak. Higher inflation imported especially energy sector with refinery oil priceā€¦I hope Bank of Thailand will raise the interest rate follow FED tonight soon. Otherwise crazier and higher inflation here.
Chris *****
Better if usa have a Big bomb on Ć©conomy Market.

Then all the World will quiet and World Ć©conomy better.

Only usa need usa economy

The rest of the World dont need it.

Sorry for Hurt you guys w but sadly its true...why dollars must govern World Ć©conomy ???
Brett ***********
@Surf *****
When the world stops trading in dollars, it will be a sad day for USA. Covid dollar inflation is the cause of this. US created 16 trillion in new money during 2020. they deserve to crash. And I am a proud american, but the government is terrible and the people are stupid to let them do it.
Bonnie *********
@Brett **********
stop. It is corporations, living in corrupt capitalism that did this; it is a corrupt government response to it.

Why would you be proud of a country? Brainwashing from birth, it is a white christian capitalist state. Nothing to be proud of.
Craig ********
@Bonnie ********
The only brainwashing going on here is the fact that you've been taught to hate your country and hate free markets. You know what the opposite of free markets is? No, you probably don't.
Craig ********
@Brett **********
every central bank was printing, most of the more than the FED actually
Brett ***********
@Craig *******
USD increased by 400%. THB increased by 25%. No other country except China and the European could increase like that without causing a financial collapse.
Craig ********
@Brett **********
this is absolutely incorrect. here you can see M2 supply increase since march 2020 (covid) Also by percentage japan, EU, and BoE have all printed more. China undoubtedly printed more but they do not publish that data so we don't really know.
Brett ***********
@Craig *******
I look at M1 because that is the high velocity, liquid money that can cause rapid inflation. M2 doesn't change hands as quickly. And according to stlouis fed, it went from 4 trillion to 20 trillion since covid. And it makes sense because trumps covid bailout was a few trillion and biden's was 6 trillion. They just sent that cash to everybody, businesses big and small all got bailed out. All that new money chasing the same pool of goods. If you look at the rise in M2, it seems less dramatic but M1 shows the mess we made. It's hard to know exactly what's going to happen but as a general rule, tripling the cash supply is something you should only do of your trying to destroy your country.
Brett ***********
Craig ********
Fair enough, but I do not consider M1 to be an honest look at the money supply.

But we agree that it's significant amounts of printing and the cause of inflation
Karim ***************
@Brett **********
this was happening long before covid surged inflation. But yes, covid exposed it.
Chris *********************
@Karim **************
not as low as this
Brett ***********
@Karim **************
yes, agreed. Money supply doubled from 2 to 4 trillion after financial crises but during covid shot to 20 f@#king trillion. hyperinflation is inevitable. get out of USD asap
Karim ***************
@Brett **********
true šŸ‘
Chris *****
@Brett **********
yes that what i'mean but my englisch is so Bad .

You amƩricain peopole are strong people but gouvernement think he is strong more than you

All the World is smiling when see Biden prĆ©sident...i live thailand long Time , and all thaĆÆ peopole know that Last presid ment was better
Tammy **************
Except I should have booked our flights months ago. Our flight has gone from $1250 to $1800. Gonna roll the dice and hope it comes down in the next 6 months so we can book or look for another destination šŸ˜¬.
Bonnie *********
@Tammy *************
inflation is world-wide.
Tammy **************
@Bonnie ********
I know , it sucks

Greedy Oil companies gouging us
Michael *********
So, we're all going to throw in the towel. It's time to get busy correcting what corrupt governments have done
Chris *********************
Craig ********
Good luck with that. The WEF and global governance is more powerful now than ever before in human history. With survalence tech, social credit systems, and CBDC's becoming part of life in many countries, there is little to nothing we can do other than buy Bitcoin and try to survive it.
Craig ********
Yes disarming the populace makes things easier. But if you're planning an armed insurrection you're probably going to have a bad day. There is little to nothing that can be done at this point.

Buy bitcoin, try to find some land where you have good access to food and water, learn to hunt, start a garden, get some chickens, stockpile ammo.... try to survive it. Sadly that's the best advice I've heard. Cause you sure as shit aint going to overthrow the WEF. They have coordinated nearly every government on Earth at this point. All playing along with them. This will not end well. They know they have to self-destruct the financial system or the elites risk going down with it. So that's exactly what they are doing. Systematically destroyed the global economy and preparing for "The Great Reset". If you think you can stop it, God speed my friend.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
What good is that bitcoin going to be if you are living in a bunker on some remote mountain top off the grid, if there is still one? šŸ˜†
Craig ********
for 10,000 years Gold was used for this purpose because governments cannot simply create it from nothing, instead they have to invest significant capital (proof of work) to find and extract it. But Gold has many problems as a "money".. it is not very divisible, it is not easily verified, it is not portable, and it currently has a 2% inflation rate.

Bitcoin is a 10x improvement over Gold as a form of money, a treasury asset, and a store of value. It is infinitely divisible, globally portable with nothing more than 12 words you memorize and keep in your head, uncensorable, fungible, easily verifiable, and absolutely scarce.

A visa transaction takes about 2 months to fully settle. Bitcoin settles in an average of 5 minutes. It cannot be controlled by any central bank or government.

If you do not see the value in such a thing.... well. I don't know what else to say
Craig ********
Humans have a very serious fundamental problem which is that no one can be trusted to control the supply of money. Every fiat currency that has ever existed has been debased. With the discovery of bitcoin we finally have absolute scarcity in a decentralized network that cannot be debased. The importance of this discovery cannot be underestimated.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
Because once all the dust settles bitcoin will be the reserve treasury asset for the Human race.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Okay, good luck waiting on that dust to settle.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
if you got a better plan let me know
Danny *******
@Craig *******
My plan is to keep doing what has been working for me, which is a diversified stock portfolio that nets me, along with my Social Security, about $???k a year. I can live quite well here in Thailand on that and most other places if I chose to move.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
an S&P position will guard you against inflation, so that works. Great. Good for you I'm glad you've got enough money for now.

Since the covid (march 2020) low S&P is up 73%. Bitcoin is up 450% in that time.

So great. I never said bitcoin was the only investment there is. I only said it was the best one. If you have enough to hold an asset that goes up basically as fast as inflation, then great. And in Thailand even better since the THB is getting destroyed against the dollar.

Moving to Thailand was part of my strategy as well.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
So, your plan was to move to Thailand and live off your bitcoin's appreciation? Is that it?
Craig ********
@Danny ******
already living in thailand
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Yes, I realize that and the rest of the plan was to just live off your bitcoin appreciation?
Craig ********
@Danny ******
yes. I have been in bitcoin for quite awhile now. And worst case scenario I'm a software engineer.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
What do you mean by ā€œworst case scenarioā€?
Craig ********
@Danny ******
well i suppose worst case scenario is Chinese tanks roll into Thailand and I have to split. Or I suppose a comet impact would be even more worst case
Danny *******
@Craig *******
No plans to buy a bug-out cabin in the hills, learn to grow your own food, hunt and stockpile guns and ammo?
Craig ********
@Danny ******
already have them sir
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Okay šŸ™„
Craig ********
@Danny ******
started buying remote property in 2005. Been hunting all my life. don't really like gardening, but then I eat 90% meat or animal products these days anyway. My father gave me my first rifle for my 13th birthday. Main property has well and septic. What else you want to know?
Danny *******
Sounds like the perfect plan. Good luck.
Michael *********
@Craig *******
I've been to Afghanistan. The Taliban did ok using muskets. Again, it's time to get busy against corrupt govt's including you know who!
Michael *********
@Craig *******
Thats why the politicians in the US want the guns taken away. Look at Australia and Canada
Andy **********
@Michael ********
got a plan son?
Michael *********
@Andy *********
like I wrote here people are just going to say F it that's the way it is. Not me.
Andy **********
@Michael ********
get down in the dirt just like the last recession it is. I made my first big dollar that way
Michael *********
@Andy *********
your going with the program I assume
Andy **********
I'm an unwritten book
Andy **********
@Michael ********
no programs here
Sam *******
Take it while you can Thai interest rates about to go up..
Craig ********
buy bitcoin
Andy **********
@Craig *******
buy low I guess, even if you're broke
Danny *******
@Andy *********
The tax filings and reporting requirements alone are enough avoid crypto.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
it's taxed as capital gains just like any asset or commodity. There is nothing special about tax filing on bitcoin. Also please note I said Bitcoin, not crypto.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying if you buy one unit of Bitcoin, hold it long-term and then sell it you have a simple long-term capital gain? That would be true but if you buy a hamburger and fries or pay your rent with your crypto account you have quite a different story.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
Yes, if you buy bitcoin and later sell it you incur either short or long term capital gains taxes, depending on how long you held it.

But why do you need to buy McDonalds with your Bitcoin? If you really want to, you just have to account for the sale of the bitcoin. But that would be dumb. If you really want to liquidate some, you sell a chunk, account for the gains on it, and then buy however much burgers you want.

It's no different than gold in that respect. But it's better than gold in almost every other way.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
That's fine if you are willing to sell in big chunks and keep track of the basis in the chunk you sold, which isn't simple. But I know people who advocate using crypto as their cash account and keeping everything in crypto, selling it constantly as they pay expenses. That's an accounting nightmare of the tax preparer and at your expense.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
I am not willing to sell any Bitcoin at all. That's the absolutely worst thing you can do with Bitcoin is to sell it in 2023. People who advocate "crypto" or using it to pay expenses don't know what they're doing. I am talking about buying Bitcoin, and then holding it long into the future. I am not talking about "crypto" and I am not talking about buying burgers.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Fine, but most people I talk to that are cult fans of digital currencies are using it like cash looking to makes a few bucks in their everyday currency accounts. What you are describing is no different than buying a share of stock. Both can be a hedge against inflation or a long-term investment. Nothing new there.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
If you think there is no difference between bitcoin and equities then you really have not spent much time studying what bitcoin is.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
What I am saying is there is no difference in the way they are treated for tax purposes when managed the way you have described. I did not say they were equal investments in terms of risk, volatility and investment strategy, just that they were both vehicles that can be used as inflation hedges and/or long-term investments.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
ok yes, they are the same in terms of the taxation. But I can send any amount of bitcoin to any other human on the planet instantly without any government, central bank, or other 3rd party being able to stop me.
Craig ********
@Andy *********
yes many people think they cannot afford to buy bitcoin... the truth is they cannot afford not to. Gotta find a way to scratch together something, anything, and get in. Try using less toilet paper, less toothpaste, sell blood... gotta do what you gotta do if you want to survive the global financial collapse that is coming.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
How much of your portfolio is in it?
Craig ********
@Danny ******
I am on the Bitcoin Standard
Craig ********
anyone who has purchased bitcoin and held it for at least 3 years has made money. If you zoom out it's quite obvious.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Wow, three years is quite a testimonial. šŸ™„
Craig ********
@Danny ******
an asset with an amortized return of 150% a year and a 3-year profit window is extraordinary.

Got a better way to protect your wealth? I'm all ears.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Iā€™ve been invested in the stock market for 50 years and am comfortably retired. Worked fine for me.
Craig ********
@Danny ******
I have been invested in Bitcoin for 5 years and I'm comfortably retired as well. Only difference is it took you 10 times as long.

Also worth noting that what you did 50 years ago is not really relevant to what people's options are TODAY.
Danny *******
@Craig *******
Check back in 50 years.
Jon **********
@Craig *******
yes itā€™s a hedge against inflation 5555 cash is trash
Jason ********
Arnie ************
For me, one bright spot of an otherwise dim set of actions.
Have *******
Lol
Will ************
Markets are starting to price in a
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per cent interest rise in the US.
Brandon ************
Thanks Brexit for bringing the Ā£ so low to the dollar also šŸ˜…
Gordon *******
Not Brexit, it's a world problem Brandon
Kristian ***************
"Thank everyone you say". You mean every Politician!
James **********
Meanwhile the UK pound goes the other way. WTF
Michael *******
Max **********
The american dollar is gonna crash eventually. The amount of money they printed was absurd. Everybody got free money. Itā€™s funny how the US blames other countries of manipulating their currency, yet they do the same.
Dimitri ********
@Max *********
Other countries did the same. It's not only the US. Look at the Euro for example.
Max **********
@Dimitri *******
True! Itā€™s gonna be interesting to see the effects of those decisions!
Max **********
@Danilo **********
You are talking about a different subject. Money printing and quantitative easing weakens a currency. Period.
Danilo ***********
@Max *********
We are talking about the USD, printing money and manipulation.

It doesnā€™t really matter. USD is the safe heaven currency and will continue to be so until China can actually reach GDP per capita of the US. Hint: itā€™s not even close.

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Max **********
@Danilo **********
I like your optimism! We need more like you šŸ‘šŸ»
Andy **********
Max **********
Andy **********
@Max *********
American here, I don't blame anyone else except for the American government. Printing out 40% of every dollar that's ever been printed in the last 12 months is going to cripple everyone's economy. It's not just absurd it's treason.
Danilo ***********
@Andy *********
You are incorrect. Thatā€™s for the both 2020 and 2021, not one year. Please do you fact-checking before spewing falsehoods.
Andy **********
@Danilo **********
lol like that even matters, every dollar printed devalues the ones in your pocket. Please do your econ 101 before being a child fact checker
Jack ****************
@Andy *********
this word needs to get applied to a lot of shit back home. We need to bring back hangings.
Danilo ***********
@Max *********
Youā€™re looking at the wrong indicator. Itā€™s GDP to Debt Ratio. US with a $21 trillion economy actually has a lower GDP to Debt ratio than other countries like Singapore and Japan.
Harry ****
@Max *********
dollar canā€™t crash. Itā€™s the only legitimate currency in the world.
Joseph ****************
@Max *********
you clearly donā€™t know what currency manipulation actually is.
Max **********
@Joseph ***************
You clearly havenā€™t studied economy in your life
Gale ************
Paul ********
I suspect most of those whining/commenting here never exchange dollars for Thai baht.

But for those of us living in Thailand on a fixed income from the US, this is excellent news. Full stop.
Danny *******
@Paulo ********
Exactly! I love it and hope it goes to 40. šŸ˜
Richard *******
We have covid and then Russia invaded Ukraine but itā€™s ā€œthe Biden economyā€ to amateur pundits in Thailand.
Mike *****
Seems like the one's saying it not 'The Buck Stops Here' Biden's doing must watch a helluva lot of CNN.

They probably are on their 5th booster shot waiting for that virus to go away too.

The incapable intellect is astounding after do many missteps that led us all here.

BTW - we all hope Hunter Biden got a big bonus to have the US turn its back on the Ukrainian people.
Richard *******
@Mike ****
I block credulous obnoxious fools.
John ********
@Richard ******
The Federal Reserve increasing rates to contain inflation is the primary driver or US dollar strength.
Richard *******
@John *******
the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with it? You yourself acknowledged the Fed raised rates IN RESPONSE TO inflation, so obviously donā€™t control it, so your view, sir, is myopic. Good day.
Chris ********
@Richard ******
the war in Ukraine? The US saw month on month inflation before Russia invaded. Let me guess....you're a democrat?
John ********
@Richard ******
You are clueless.
Richard *******
@John *******
the economy is doing well by many measures and inflation is not in the presidentā€™s control
Alexander *****
@Richard ******
the economy is doing well by many measures? So inflation, rising costs, food shortages and record falls in stocks are signs of a strong economy right? You are either an utter moron or deliberately ignoring the piss right in front of you.
John ********
@Richard ******
The government selling treasuries has everything to do with inflation. You kind of don't know what you are talking about.
Christopher ******
@Hiresh ************
šŸŽ‰šŸŽ‰šŸŽ‰
Vincent ********
Letā€™s go brandon
Tammy **************
@Vincent *******
Is that code for my wife is also my cousin
Vincent ********
@Tammy *************
ha ha. It means your husband is also your son
Bim *******
Enjoy it while it lasts. Many countries around the world ditching the Petro dollar and I believe it's days as the world's reserve currency are numbered.
Billie-Joe ********
ā€œGreat British Poundā€ they said šŸ˜­šŸ¤£
David **********
@Bim ******
recently I would agree with you but now oh, you think the world is going to turn to the Russian ruble? The Chinese Yuan ? The euro? At this point I think not
Billie-Joe ********
@David *********
šŸ˜­šŸ¤£
Billie-Joe ********
Bim *******
@David *********
as they own a large chunk of dollar debt don't rule anything out. The Fed can only print so much monopoly money before the bubble bursts. The British pound was once the world's reserve currency until their empire crumbled.
Billie-Joe ********
@Bim ******
when I came to Thailand it was 1GBP - 45TBH

Now weā€™re lucky if we hit 43TBH and thatā€™s just in 5 months šŸ¤£šŸ’€
Bim *******
@Billie-Joe *******
yep. It was 54 when I first arrived. The pound is getting hammered. The Bank of England also printing way too much monopoly money also.
Billie-Joe ********
@Bim ******
oooof I thought I had it good then! Iā€™m not the most knowledgeable on exchange rates etc only the basics, but I know weā€™re definitely in trouble šŸ¤£
Bim *******
@Billie-Joe *******
my wife remembers getting 76 baht to the pound. Oh my. Wouldn't that be nice now
David **********
@Bim ******
agreed! Brandon and his buddies are fouling up for sure. Pushing the can down the road. It's going to happen I know. But I doubt today
Bim *******
@David *********
on that we can both agree.
Danny *******
@Bim ******
Ah yes, the sky is falling yet again huh Chicken Little?
AxMdob *******
You have better deals in others country just near just near but if you love spend money this one is good for you
Sam *********
there have been periods where the exchange rate has been 1 dollar to 57 baht, while this is a bit higher than average for sure, its certainly nothing unheard of. In fact, as recently as 2017, it was very close to the 35 mark as well...hardly unprecedented territory
Sam *********
it was, during the Tom Yum crisis...early 98, you can check exchange records.
Nguyen *****************
@Sam ********
It has never been 57
Thar ******
Ouch, I exchanged a few thousands at 34.1 last evening šŸ„²
David **********
@Thar *****
I did at 34.6 but u win some and lose some :)
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