What are the options for legally riding rental scooters in Thailand as an expat with a B-category driver's license?

Jun 23, 2023
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Sergiusz ***********
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Before my next trip to Thailand, I decided to finally look into options of riding the rental scooters there legally - mainly for insurance purposes. I hold a B-category (car) driver's licence, which allows me to ride a motorcycle up to 125ccm and 15HP in my country and many other European countries. This is obviously not the case in Thailand.

I identified the following options to get that right in Thailand:

1. Get an A-category driver's licence at home and an International Driving Permit (IDP) - the drawback of this avenue is that the course and exam for this licence involve riding a heavy motorcycle which I never rode and have no intention / need to ride, so it would take an extra effort for me to learn it and pass that exam.

2. Get an A1-category driver's licence at home and an IDP - from what I learned, there are two conventions regulating the IDP: Geneva (1949) and Vienna (1968). The 1949 one does not have a box for category A1, the 1968 one does. As I understand, Thailand ratified the 1968 (Vienna) convention in 2020, so since then it should be legal to ride A1 motorbikes (125ccm, 15HP) using this form of IDP with the A1 box checked. Can anyone confirm this?

Even if so, the drawback of getting the A1 licence is that, while the course costs almost the same and takes as long as the A-category, it gives me few additional rights in Europe (as the B-category that I already hold basically encompasses the rights granted by A1 in many European countries).

EDIT: I found some evidence elsewhere which might suggest that A1 on the IDL is not good for riding scooters in Thailand: [members only]

3. Get a Thai driver's licence for scooters - is this possible to do on a visa exemption or tourist visa? How long would it take and how much would it cost? As I mentioned, the main reason I'm looking into this is for insurance purposes, so the document must hold up in case of being challenged by an insurance company.

I'm leaning towards options 2 or 3 - any advice will be appreciated.
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This post discusses the options for riding rental scooters legally in Thailand, focusing on the need for a valid driving license and insurance. The author holds a B-category driver's license but wants to understand the implications for riding in Thailand, considering obtaining an A-category or A1-category license, or getting a Thai driver's license. The conversation includes community advice on the necessity of having proper documentation to avoid issues with police and insurance companies, and it suggests that getting a Thai license might be the most straightforward route. The discussion emphasizes the importance of being legally certified to ride a scooter for both legal and safety reasons.
Stuart *********
Where in Thailand are you going to?
Sergiusz ***********
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I usually go all over the place, a bit of Bangkok, a bit of Chiang Mai, a bit of the islands. From what I'm reading so far, CM seems like a good place to get the licence. As for riding the bike, I only do it on the islands (so far at least).
Stuart *********
@Sergiusz **********
just asking because if you were here in Phuket you definitely need a motorbike licence in your home country accompanied with an IDP, if you want to apply for one here, then there is a waiting list, I asked on 12th November and the soonest they could get me in was February 24th, I got an agent to get me an appointment ( 2 days later) and got my licence that way.😊
Sergiusz ***********
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@Stuart ********
thanks for sharing. If one already holds a motorbike licence with the accompanying IDP, what's the benefit of getting a Thai licence on top of that?
Stuart *********
@Sergiusz **********
no real benefit at all unless you plan to live here permanently. 👌
Richard **********
Nobody needs insurance. Rent the bike for 250 baht a day, drive to your hearts content.

Once the 250 baht per day is in the renters pocket, they dont care if u have a license or insurance.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Richard *********
"Nobody needs insurance" until they crash. But it's not like that ever happens in Thailand, right? 🤔
Richard **********
@Sergiusz **********
no sir very safe here. Not many road accidents happen , everyone wears helmets
Don ******
If your not already a competent motor bike and scooter rider don’t ride, Thailand is not the place for a learner rider.
Pete ******
Sergiusz ***********
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@Don *****
I agree. I've already been riding in Thailand for several months across a few visits, without problems so far (knock on wood). It's just a matter of making it legal.
Pete *******
Advanced Driving School Pattaya, a motorcycle course is completed on site and they issue you a certificate to take to DLT to collect your license
Sergiusz ***********
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@Pete ******
thanks, do you happen to know what documents the DLT requires besides the certificate from the driving school?
Pete *******
@Sergiusz **********
No idea, email MOTS visa service, they are highly recommended for getting license, will cost a bit more but they can answer your questions.
Pete *******
@Sergiusz **********
Copy passport, copy visa stamp, certificate of residence, medical certificate.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Pete ******
I guess that could be a hurdle - if I'm on visa exemption or tourist visa, is it possible to get a certificate of residence?
Brook ********
@Sergiusz **********
No problem to get training, residence certificate and Thai motorcycle license on Tourist Visa.

Also, good training a good way to meet people and make friends.
Russell *******
Just rent a scooter below the cc the maximum.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Russell ******
I don't think that's a solution - from what I understand in Thailand legally you need a driver's licence to ride any scooter, so if you have an accident riding any scooter without a licence, your travel insurance won't cover you.
Russell *******
@Sergiusz **********
Yes exactly. You said your uk drivers license allows you to ride a motorcycle up to 125 cc . So if you rent one under 125 cc your license covers that and as long as you accompany that with a International driving permit, you will be fine. No ? Am I missing something?
Sergiusz ***********
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@Russell ******
yes, the situation is a bit more complicated. My driver's licence (BTW., it's Polish, not UK) is actually a "car" licence - the permission to ride certain motorbikes with it is just a "bonus" I get in some European countries. That does not translate to the international driving permit, and, by extension, to Thailand.
Russell *******
@Sergiusz **********
oh ok , sorry I didn't notice that. 😅
Leon ****
Getting an IDP or Thai license is just for voiding pay fine when police stops you at a check point. For insurance purposes get a travel insurance which covers accidents riding a motorcycle. When you riding a rental bike there is a basic insurance coverage from Thai government but it does not offer much protection though.
Jake ***********
How much are the fines? I was riding all over 7 years ago and never had any problems but being older and smarter this time round I'm in the same boat as you worried knowing insurance wouldn't cover me. Probably just going to stick to riding on islands with quieter roads. But does anyone know specifically what the repercussions may be if stopped? I hold a provisional UK licence which allows me to ride 125cc but your supposed to have a cbt too which I don't. And obviously no idp either.
Jake ***********
@Leon ***
how much is the fine?
Leon ****
@Jake **********
500baht then you can use the receipt to ride bike for like 5 or 7 days without getting another one. 😆
Bian ****
@Leon ***
3 Days in Chiang Mai
Sergiusz ***********
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@Leon ***
I don't think travel insurance covers motorcycle accidents caused by the insurance holder if he rode the bike without the required permit - that's the point of my post.

I'm not sure if that's also the case with the basic insurance coverage for rental bikes - anyone?
Leon ****
@Sergiusz **********
As Steve said many insurance companies won’t cover you unless you are the owner of the bike. Travel insurance covers hospital bill. But you need to ask if they covers accidents cost by riding a bike. Then do they require you holds a license or permit.
Marc ********
As long as on your IDP the box category A1 is marked you will be fine.

Insurance you will need for yourself anyway if you want to be save.

The compulsory insurance from the bike shop will only gover b30k

and only for person damage. Not material.
Jeffrey **********
@Marc *******
Actually upto 500,000bt Medical
Marc ********
@Jeffrey *********
Not the compulsory for 320 bath
Jeffrey **********
@Marc *******
again your incorrect. the insurance cost is different depending on bike risk and cc
Marc ********
@Jeffrey *********
I am talking about the insurance for scooters. More than 125 cc did not interest me. I went to an insurance company and they explained everything.

Basic insurance does not cover much only 30k bath. It is what it is.

Period
Sergiusz ***********
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@Marc *******
are you sure about the A1 category regarding insurance?

I found this post elsewhere:
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, which says that A1 in the IDP only applies to countries that have such a category in their own traffic law and it's voluntary, not obligatory for countries to recognize this category - and Thailand does not have A1 or any analogue in their traffic law, they only have a generic motorcycle category (analogue to A).
Marc ********
@Sergiusz **********
Well I know for a fact if you can presend to Police a IDP with the box A1 marked they will not find any fault.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Marc *******
that may be true, but as I mentioned, my main goal is to make sure that I'm covered by my travel insurance in case of an accident, and they usually (if not always) have an exclusion in the policy for cases when you're riding the bike without the proper permit.So the question is if the IDP with A1 checked is legally the "proper permit" for riding a scooter in Thailand, not if the police will accept it. Insurance companies are known for fighting tooth and nail when you try to claim damages, so it has to be airtight.
Marc ********
@Sergiusz **********
But I wonder why you ask questions if you don't believe anything else you have in mind and want to do anyway🤷‍♂️😅
Marc ********
@Sergiusz **********
Yes you ride 100% legally in Thailand with IDP and the box A1.

Insurance is a different topic as the compulsory thai insurance for 320b from bike rental shop will not cover much.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Marc *******
I'm not talking about the compulsory insurance, but travel insurance.

Thanks for your opinion on the legality of riding scooters with IDP and A1 - do you mind sharing what you base that opinion on? I do agree that it would seem logical, but sometimes what is logical does not translate to what is real 😉

The best proof would of course be a positive experience of filing a claim with a travel insurance company, but that's too rare of a occurence to count on finding someone to share such a story here...
Marc ********
@Sergiusz **********
Dude you can legally ride scooters in Thailand with IDP A1 believe it or not. Over and out
Sergiusz ***********
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@Marc *******
ok, that's what I'll say when I'm lying in the hospital bed and the insurance company denies my claim. I'll also add "this one dude in that fb group said so" 😉

In all seriousness though, thanks for your answer. I hope you learn to understand that in such matters it's important to provide a source for your claim, so that the asking party can evaluate the probability of it being true (I do not know you personally, after all). I understand you're not able to give a source, which means it's just your opinion - and that's fine, thank you for that again.
Marc ********
@Sergiusz **********
I can only tell you what the law is in Thailand.

What your insurance will pay I do not know.

All I know it is legal riding with the IDP by Thai law.

And that's all I need to know.

Accident or not.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Marc *******
I agree, the law is all I want to know as well. Can you provide a source for this law? Have you read that somewhere, or did someone tell you?
Marc ********
@Sergiusz **********
PS: I don't know about your country. But my insurance from my country will cover everything. It is not relevant for them if I break the law in Thailand and ending up in hospital.

They will pay... regardless of what.

That's why it is a health/travel insurance🤷‍♂️

Probably simular to most european countries.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Marc *******
I hope for your sake that this is true, or actually that you never have to find out the hard way if it is.

However, here's an example insurance policy conditions sheet from your country:

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Page 6, Section 1.14:

"Not insured are all claims, events or treatments:

(...)

F which occur whilst driving a vehicle without the legally required driver’s license or in the absence of a legally required accompanying person".
Marc ********
@Sergiusz **********
I googled it saw it here in the group many times and I know of my own experience.

I am too lazy to go search in google for you to provide you a link.

Believe it or not🤷‍♂️

Believe what you want... good luck😊
Steve ********
Many insurance companies won't cover you unless you have a motorcycle registered in your name in your home country. They use this as evidence that you are a competent rider, not just a two-week tourist rider
Pete ******
I have a similar clause from a different insurer, it's silly, my wife has a motorcycle licence in Thailand but not Australia, she's not covered in Thailand, I have a licence in Australia but not Thailand, I'm covered in Thailand. I can understand why the insurance company's do it, the roads are a dangerous place for a learner motorcyclist, the chances of incident or injury are high, if insurers covered them then the cost of insurance would be more expensive than flights.
Steve ********
@Pete *****
Insurance companies are not silly. They know there are plenty of tourists come to Thailand and want to ride a motorcycle even through they have limited experience. Not having a MC licence in their home country is one clear indicator of this. Whilst it's acknowledged that having a MC licence in your home country does not indicate that person is a regular MC rider, it does show they've done the requisite training and testing and are therefore a lower risk. You're spot on, if insurance policies simply covered all aspects of motorcycling, the cost (to all) would be horrendous, and realistically why should non-riders subsidise the "two week tourist riders". I have a MC licence in Australia, but there is no way in the world you would get me on a motorcycle in Thailand
Jeffrey **********
@Steve *******
Never heard of that here in Thailand
Steve ********
@Jeffrey *********
That's an Australian policy from Zurich Insurance. It applies in Thailand. Other companies may impose other restrictions. I understand some insurance companies won't even cover motorcycle accidents.
Steve ********
Wylie *******
@Steve *******
never heard of that. Perhaps that's only for Australian based insurance since it specifically states Australian license and ownership. I have not seen anything resembling that on any of the Asian based insurance policies.
Steve ********
@Wylie ******
I don't know. I'd never ride a bike in Thailand so it's not something which affects me. This guy is coming here for a holiday so he couldn't get an Asian travel insurance as you have to be resident in the country. He will get one from his home country. The point I was making is that insurance companies are introducing more restrictive measures relating to motorcycles, so he needs to scrutinise the policy conditions.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Steve *******
I guess this would be something mentioned in the insurance policy - and I have not seen such a mention before (I mean for tourist insurance).
Wylie *******
@Sergiusz **********
I'm by far no expert but based on what Steve posted it's possible it's only a thing for Australian based insurance policies since it specifically mentions Australia several times. I have not seen that on any of the Asian based policies I've read. Either way it's always good to read it in full and even ask the agent to clarify and get them to put it in writing that your specific circumstances are covered.
Steve ********
@Sergiusz **********
This is where it is imperative you read ALL the terms and conditions associated with your travel insurance. Many people don't do this, which is why many of the GoFundMe beggars have come to grief on motorcycles in Thailand (in fact in many Asian countries).
Garrett ***********
@Steve *******
Name one insurance company
Steve ********
@Garrett **********
Zurich Insurance
Paul *******
I suggest that you simply get a Thai bike licence.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Paul ******
thanks for the suggestion - any idea if this can be done while I'm in Thailand on a visa exemption or tourist visa?
Paul *******
@Sergiusz **********
Honda Safety Riding Park in Chiang Mai, You can do this here very easy.
Sergiusz ***********
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@Paul ******
thank you!
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