Can I legally ride a second-hand 250cc motorcycle in Thailand with a UK and IDP license?

April 28, 2021
3 years ago
Wyn **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Can i buy a second hand motorcycle 250cc and ride it legally on my Uk and IDP license as they are not issuing Thai licenses at this time in Pattaya.Any info always appriciated thanks.
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Riding a second-hand 250cc motorcycle in Thailand with a UK motorcycle license and an International Driving Permit (IDP) is permissible for a limited time, usually up to 90 days, provided that the IDP includes motorcycle entitlements. However, there are legal considerations, as Thai law typically requires a local driver's license, particularly after the initial 90-day period. Law enforcement may impose fines for lack of a proper license, and there could be complications if involved in an accident without valid insurance. Additionally, possessing a motorcycle without registering it under Thai regulations could attract police scrutiny. It's advisable to pursue obtaining a Thai motorcycle license as soon as possible.
Phillip ********
Depends on the cop that pulls u over 😄
Oliver *************
Yes for a time but not forever
René *******
Markus **********
Legally you don’t need an IDP in Thailand if your residence country has ratified the 1968 Vienna Traffic Convention (which large part of the countries are, but some aren’t like the US) since Thailand has ratified the same convention in May 2020. In fact, one can argue that the IDP wasn’t legal requirement even before that but some Thai police had the interpretation it was (not going to go into details of that in here).

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Baron *********
Be careful scratching down the side of a ferrari or mclaren. Your insurance might not cover it
Alexander *********
Buying a bike is easy, you will just need to register it in a local transport department, I've done the same a couple of months ago after buying a used bike.

Btw, driving without a license might really lead to a fine, but the fine is 200 baht only.

As they don't issue Thai driving licenses now, due to covid restrictions, I keep driving with Russian one and don't really care. A few times police stopped me, they said "It's okay" because the main information in a Russian driving license is in English as well, so your lisense should fit too. Anyway, that depends on a certain policeman. This is Thailand )))
Albert ********
Don't know if you can buy one. But I believe tourists can use there MC license.
Leslie *******
เจสัน ******
Wyn...do you have motorcycle training what so ever?

The simple answer is your IDP is only valid for 90 days driving / riding in Thailand. During this period it is expected you will have applied for you temporary licences if you want to continue driving or riding here. Otherwise you are driving / riding otherwise in accordance with a licence, no insurance etc. It is very simple for the RTP at a roadside check to determine your arrival in Thailand from your TM6 and Visa stamp in your passport. If you want to run that risk then it is up to you. Thai road safety is a real issue currently...why would you want to contribute to it riding a motorcycle illegally. Your choice...good luck to you. On the positive side you can still buy the 250cc machine if you really want to.
Wyn **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Jason Tolputt thanks for the advice. Back in Uk i had restricted 125 cc license. I hope i can ride something bigger when i can get the Thai licence.
Zac ********
@Wyn *********
if you pass your Thai motorbike test I have heard that it is really easy then you will be able to ride any bike, at present there is only one licence for a motorbike here regardless of cc.

When back in the UK your Thai licence would be useless and you would have to do a UK test.
Grant ************
You might want to consider also that if you’re not valid to ride that bike and you have an accident then you’ll have no insurance.
David *********
You cannot drive legally with your UK drivers license. The international drivers permit allows you to drive in a country which has reciprocal agreements. But this is only meant for you to drive for a short period of time as if you were on holidays. Once the office opens take with you your UK drivers license, Certificate of Residency and Medical Certificate which you can get at most clinics for 200 BHT. Go Early
Zac ********
@David ********
this is the correct information, the only thing I would add is also bring your passport and photocopy the data page, visa, TM card and all your other documents.
David *********
@Zac *******
That goes without question
Garrett ***********
@Da***
You forgot it
David *********
@Garrett **********
I left out the period also at the end.
Kool *******
For those seeming to be confused about what the IDP is, all it is is a translation of your drives license into different languages. It is not a valid drivers license without your valid home country drivers license.
Alessandro **********
You need a certificate of residence. You should go immigration and file a TM18. PS I was asked to produce a TM30 receipt notification in Samut Prakan and I don't know the requirements in Pattaya.
Kool *******
The problem you might have is having the motorbike registered in your name, and not having a Thai drivers license. The police could hassle you about that, as they are hurting for money.
Garrett ***********
IDP's are valid in Thailand, not sure what everyone's on about saying they aren't. Vietnam was one of the only countries an IDP couldn't be used in up until 2019.
Frank-Steven ***********
@Garrett **********
First of all, there are different versions of an IDP (based on different international treaties). Years dating 1926, 1949 and 1969. Not all of them are valid in Thailand. Also, all those valid are only valid during the initial 3 months of your stay. Should you stay longer - required to have a Thai license by Thai law.
Garrett ***********
@Frank-******
"first of all"

No, there are not different "versions" of an IDP. There is 1 IDP, that's why it's an international standard. There are different treaties and agreements between countries that validate the use of the IDP and foreign drivers in each country, but the IDP is the same.

An IDP from any country is valid in Thailand.
Frank-Steven ***********
@Garrett **********
Not true. Only those IDP documents based on treaties both states have ratified are valid. And the 3 months limit applies on all of them. One might manage in a simple checkpoint. But you would not want to be on an invalid license should you be involved in an accident.
Garrett ***********
@Frank-******
OK, which country can you not drive in Thailand on an IDP?
Kevin *****
For the number of times you're likely to get stopped (if you're a sensible rider) you need to balance it up. The cost in time and money of getting a Thai licence or the occasional 200 baht fine. Personally, I'm going for the Thai test and licence but that's just old age I guess, I spent 20+ years in the UK driving 500cc upwards bikes on just a provisional licence and never got stopped because:

a) I was a careful and competent rider.

b) I rode full kit touring bikes (Silver wing, Folding, R100RT).
Jon ********
@Kevin ****
advocating breaking the law in 2 countries... interesting
Kevin *****
@Jon *******
er, no. Admitting is not advocating and I did actually state that I was going for the full licence here. Yes, I said that one had to balance the time and expense of doing a bike test as opposed to the occasional 200 baht fine. Did not say it was the best way to go (even though a large majority of Thais seem to be happy working that way).
Richard *****
@Kevin ****
all that time insurance was void 😲😲😲
Reiner *********
The simple Answer is NO.....as you don’t have a legal license fir thailand..it has to be an international....but 2. you will see at the next stop As a police men will stop you how much you have to,pay.....that they not give out license...at the moment -..is your problem ....you are driving illegal........but. How many times you have been stoppt. Till now
Chris *********************
@Reiner ********
rubbish I have been stopped on motorbike and car with international licence nothing said
Baron *********
@Chris ********************
I've had a friend stopped and produced a card that said "Divers" licence, he got in Koh Tao. He got off but it doesn't mean its legal.
Chris *********************
@Baron ********
I have a AA international green driving licence drove on it for 14 year stopped at least 3 times a week and it's closely looked at in most provences no problem
Lindsey **********
@Chris ********************
Ok till you are ever involved in an accident
Phill ******
@Lindsey *********
, more bullshit .
Paul *******
@Reiner ********
you are wrong i think not unless they have different laws for pommies. Iam a auusie even though i have thai licence i some times show my aussie licence depends what bike iam on. If he is on tourist visa and holds a uk bile licence he is fine. Never been fined here for licence whether it be thai or aussie licence
Zac ********
@Reiner ********
IDP = international driving permit, the issue is if you haven't got a full motorcycle licence from your home country your IDP won't have motorcycle entitlement on it.
Paul ********
@Zac *******
yes if you don’t have all 5 stamps on you International licence you will not be allowed and insurance will not cover you but the stupid police only look at photos. I was showing them mine and it was a year out of date. Then did my Thai one
Garrett ***********
@Rei***
Stop making things up
Reiner *********
@Garrett **********
Well has the UK done a new agreement with Thailand after the Brexit ... I don’t thing so .., .. so I not making things up I told he will see next police stop ...
Garrett ***********
@Rei***
You don't thing a lot of thinks.
Wyn **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Reiner ********
IDP is international.
Phill ******
@Reiner ********
bullshit . iv been driving here for nearly 10 years on an australian licence , never had a problem .
Baron *********
@Phill *****
Not having a problem is different to whether it's legal. Have you had a crash and your insurance covered it?
Phill ******
@Baron ********
, nop , dont need insurence . got more than enuff money to cover anything that happens here . insurance is just betting against your self . how about you ?
Baron *********
@Phill *****
I have car insurance and happy to bump into you. Only one winner
Phill ******
@Baron ********
, you have to find me first , good luck with that .
Phill ******
yes , 6 months .
Zac ********
If you have a full UK motorcycle licence and your IDP is under a year old then you are ok.
Richard ********
Easily without any IDL
Richard ********
Not true you will not get without IDL
Nick ****************
If you are on a Tourist visa you can use your UK licence. If you are on a non o etc you need a Thai licence. Don't worry though the fines only 400 baht and you can use the finer receipt as a get out for 21 days after.
Nathan *****
@Ni**
where did u get 21 days it’s 3 days in all the places I’ve been stopped
Nick ****************
@Nathan *****
I always got 3 weeks in Roi Et. Stopped going in and fined then 2 or 3 times there. They always said 3 weeks.
Zac ********
@Nick ***************
his UK licence doesn't cover him for over a 125 so if he has an accident on a 250 he won't be licenced so his insurance won't cover him, I wouldn't worry about the fine as hospital bills can add up and compo for anybody else involved and it starts really adding up.
George ********
Insurance using an IDP or UK license after 90 days in the kingdom could be an issue.
Wyn **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Zac *******
i only have the 125cc license .
Zac ********
@Wyn *********
then no.

You need to have a full motorcycle licence from your home country, besides your IDP shouldn't have motorcycle entitlement unless you have passed a full motorbike test.
Wyn **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Zac *******
thanks for the clarification. I will have to wait for a Thai licence.
Zac ********
@Wyn *********
no problem, good luck.
Ross ******
@Wyn *********
legally your only allowed 3 months on a UK licence from the time you enter
Zac ********
@Ross *****
without an IDP your UK licence is worthless here, it's all to do with reciprocal agreements between countries.
Ross ******
@Zac *******
yes and legally UK licence with an idp allows 3 months that's the agreement Thailand has
Zac ********
@Ross *****
with IDP yes but without an IDP no.

I know that it is a bit ridiculous as an IDP is just a bit of cardboard, but as I said it's really about reciprocal agreements between countries.
Ross ******
@Zac *******
the idp is a translation that's all the idp is not a licence.

The licence itself is the only valid document.

That's why Thai licences can be excepted in some countries with out and idp as its in English aswell.

It has nothing to do between countries it is an agreement between about 100 countries
Zac ********
@Ross *****
actually the IDP is a permit as in international driving permit, there is no Thai translation in a UK issued IDP.

About the reciprocal agreement, Thais are not allowed to drive in Europe on a Thai driving licence because of this the Thai government decided that Europeans would have to get an IDP to drive in Thailand, it's a bit tit for tat but that is what it is.

I am pretty sure that not all countries are required to have an IDP to drive here as Thais are allowed to drive in there countries without one.
Steve *******
@Zac *******
Thais can drive legally in the UK on a Thai licence for up to 12 months.
Steven ********************
Should be for specific period
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