Do I need a Thai driving license to legally ride a motorcycle or scooter in Thailand if I have a UK driving license and an international driving permit?

Jun 20, 2017
7 years ago
Martin *********
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Off topic , but hopefully somebody knows

I have a uk driving licence and a international driving licence ( has 2 years on it ) . Is that enough to be able to drive a motorcycle/ scooter in Thailand . I obtained this on the frequent possibility of being stopped a fined every 5 min in Pattaya , a helpful policeman told me this was sufficient. However I was then told , no he's wrong , you need a thai licence ( by an agent )surprisingly . Is he right ?
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The legality of riding a motorcycle or scooter in Thailand with a UK driving license and an international driving permit (IDP) is complex. Generally, a valid IDP allows you to drive in Thailand but must include a motorcycle endorsement to be legally permissible for motorbikes. If you have a car-only license in the UK, the IDP does not allow you to ride a motorcycle in Thailand. Furthermore, there is an obligation to obtain a Thai driving license if you are staying beyond 90 days. While some individuals may have successfully ridden using their UK licenses without issues from police, it is technically illegal without the proper motorcycle endorsement or a Thai license.
Terary **********
There are inherent risks in driving a motorcycle EVERYWHERE -- if you are not comfortable with those risks - take a taxi.
Hugo *********
By one metric, Thai traffic is the most dangerous in the world by a wide margin.
Hugo *********
Apologies, you are right, this is a selective list of emerging markets that are on the radar of investors.
Terary **********
I wonder why they don't have Iran, Most African (I do me most), The Dominican Republic??? Perhaps then it would be less dramatic ? What you find when you look at ALL countries.. Thailand is the worst - but by thin margin ... This graph is just to scare people. If we do not quote people quoting people and go to the source we find it is as dangerous to ride a motorcycle in Thailand as it is in many places in the world:
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Simon *********
I'll add that I agree completely with all the rest that
@Ron ******
wrote. There is some seriously suicidal driving on the roads.
Simon *********
Sounds about right to me. Unfortunately.
Terary **********
I have been told the second deadliest country
Simon *********
I got my Thai licenses for car and bike yesterday and will say that it depends also on your visa. If you have a tourist visa, you're considered non-resident obviously and can drive on a international license for at 60 days. However, while you can drive using an international license, it has to be endorsed for motorbikes to be legal. Bike rental agencies don't care and will rent it to you without any proof that you have the right to drive a bike in your home country but it doesn't make it correct. If you're living here and have any one of the other types of visa, you're supposed to get a Thai license immediately since you're no longer resident in your home region, but in Thailand. You'll probably escape from a random police check if you can show an international license with motorcycle endorsement, but it isn't legal, and you're definitely liable if something happens.
Lamar *******
They definitely care for the motorcycle endorsement in Chiang Mai. I would like to add that you can get a Thai license on a tourist visa. I did this since I didn't have a motorcycle endorsement.
Simon *********
Lucky you :-) Yes, I agree that they don't always look at this, but it's still illegal and you aren't supposed to drive here without one.
Terary **********
Not once have they cared about the motorcycle endorsement..
Terary **********
I think I would caution you about the feedback you're getting.. I suspect most people are offering opinion and do not have actual experience. Riding motorcycle has be great fun, make BKK traffic tolerable, and I have not died or gone prison - or had my balls cut off. Many Farang do it. Just be careful - try to avoid the really stupid, Drunk Driving, driving where you are not supposed, always always always look out for the other guy.
Terary **********
Steven Ginn "up to now" -- and still going
Robert *******
My advise is based on 14 years driving experience in Thailand. Before I came here I used to be the owner of a car and motor bike driving school. The last 12 years I work as Volunteer for Rescue Service and I hope you understand that I have seen to many accidents without license or insurance. It is hard to help them and explain their budget for further travel is gone just by a simple mistake. Oil or sand on the road, a little to fast through a curve, leaning backwards not knowing they open the throtle and these motorbikes have power, or understanding that the front wheel brake is the most important one etc. And believe me, swimshorts and bikini are not the best protection on a motorbike.
Senger ******
moped has pedals(motor/pedals)...when was the last time anyone saw them on the road?...virtually extinct species in TH.unless it is an E-Bike.which are also rare in TH. but certainly not in VN.
Ron *******
Anybody who isn't a proficient and experienced bike rider in the West, shouldn't even contemplate riding a bike here,never mind entertaining the thought of riding a bike here for the very first time. Remember here the general unwritten rule of road is that the biggest vehicle has right of way. Go and stand on the Suhkumvit and watch the defensive driving style of a Thai on a motorbike. Nobody will really give way to a bike. Its up to you to find your own safe space. These people have been on bikes since babes in arms and still end up smashed up or dead. Look at any Thais arms and legs and see the scars. Remember too the new law on drinking and driving in the case of an accident. YOU and your car or bike are simply not covered anymore although your insurance co will pay out the Third party, they will then recover ALL costs from you.

IMO, if you cannot afford the relative protection of driving a car, then use a Taxi or Baht bus. Anything but avoid bikes here.

Best to remember the other general rule. In the case of an accident and somebody is hurt, your 100% going to the police station for the enquiry and inspection of the vehicles. You better make sure you are 100% covered and legal. You might get away with a licence technicality at a traffic stop but at the police station they 100% know the score regarding licences etc And you will be to blame anyway. Your the foreigner and if you wasn't here, the accident wouldn't of occurred. As long as your covered with insurance etc it makes no difference. Just accept it and you'll be out of there a lot quicker than denying it. The last thing you want here is a court case. Mostly if there is a court case in the case of injury, the vehicles are impounded until after the case. That's the last thing you want trust me.
Lamar *******
In my experiences, the police in Chiang Mai don't make a distinction between scooter or motorcycle. If it's on two wheels and has a motor, you need a motorcycle license. Either an international one (with motorcycle stamp) or a Thai motorcycle license.
Sam *********
Tell them you're Aussie and you'll be fine
Robert *******
Police check your Driving License and many times your IDP, not your passport. Problem starts when accidents occur. Insurance companies have small prints, as already mentioned by Charlotte. Thanks for that one. Insurance companies are not famous for their charity and quick pay outs if asked. They know the laws well and they know the small print. If you stay longer than 90 days in Thailand you need by Thai law a Thai driving license, this could be used by the insurance company just in case of. Be careful out there, as I said earlier there are in my opinion to many gofundme, crowdfunding etc pages for people who found it out the hard way.
Terary **********
I have been driving 2years+ on a U.S. + international license. I have been stopped several times. Can not tell you what the law is - but the practice is the international license is all that is required
Ton ******
I am married to my thai wife for 10 years now, so i do speak out of experience. During thema many visits to Thailand I am told a lot of stories about farang & insurance. And now I live here permanent I have made sure I am covered with the correct insurance as well as the correct drivinglicense. But what is your point, as long as nobody cares you do not need the correct license?
Terary **********
@Ton *****
-I am guess you have no experience in the matter?
Terary **********
I was oddly in an accident the other day. Nothing to it. My international license was fine. The where more interested in my U.S. license -they take a photo.
Ton ******
sh*t advice, are you proud now ? Do not ever turn to other people for help if you get involved in an accident, cause this behavior is very irresponsable.
Charlotte *******
An additional FYI on related (as I've just looked into this). I've got a standard UK licence (permitted to drive up to 50cc scooters) and I was planning to do my Thai test so I was 'covered'. I checked in with my travel insurance (World Nomads) and even if I get my Thai licence my travel insurance will NOT cover me. They only recognise a licence from your home country + IDP. So I'm now sticking with my pushbike and the songthaews 🚌
Ron *******
And mostly the hirers insurance is a basic Third party cover. You'll be paying for any damage to your bike.
Lamar *******
Some companies provide insurance with their bike rentals automatically. I suggest
@Chloe *******************
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Tod *********
Vehicle insurance here (even the mandatory one for 600baht that looks like a grocery store receipt that you get if you buy a motorcycle here) has some pretty good coverage.

It's no fault up to 30K medical coverage for the driver and 30K baht for for the pillion rider. If the other person is at fault and you get a police report the pillion rider coverage goes up to 80K baht.
Martin *********
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Thanks good to know , as I'm living here I have insurance anyway plus accident insurance which covers me also .
Robert *******
For those who claim: No need for license, make sure to set up a gofundme page on time. In case accidents happen you have NO INSURANCE. Many examples of this stupidity can be seen on mentioned page.
Barry ******
Also thaidriving.info has all the questions you can practice on.
Robert *******
You can practice the exams in the hallway on dummy computers.
Robert *******
Easy to do it yourself, have fun. My knowlegde book was 80 % English and 20% german. Lucky I speak and read both.
Martin *********
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Yeah I'm going to get a thai licence anyway , but NOT though an agent .. best to be on the ' safe ' side .
Robert *******
Problem is that the only limitation in Thailand is 16 years can have a license to drive till 100 CC and 18 years 125 CC and higher. Different rules than the UK. I hope you understand that a local cop does not know all the rules and regulations of every country. You showed your IDP what actualy is a commercial translation without legalisation of any authority. If the cop does not understand they would say it is okay rather than I'm sorry I not understand this paper.
Martin *********
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I think the confusion is , everybody seems to class a moped / scooter as a motorcycle out here .

I'm only allowed on my uk licence to drive up too 50cc ( moped / scooter ) .

BUT as you say I will need a thai licence because I live here , ... so I asked a policeman at the police station, showed him my IDP , is this ok for motorbike ? ( again I should maybe of said moped or scooter , but maybe he would understand that) .. he said yes , it's ok .

But , then an agent told me no , he's wrong , you need a thai licence , and I can help you 5,000 bht including test , travel , medical.... lol ..
Ton ******
I completely agree.
Robert *******
It is so simple, look at your license from your country and you can drive the vehicle where the license is from in combination with an International driving permit. So, you are at home allowed to drive a car, you can do in Thailand. You have a Motorbike license, you can do in Thailand. You have a truck license, you can drive here. But the Thai law also stated that if you are longer than 90 days in Thailand you need the Thai Driving license, which you become with you current license. A scooter/moped is limited on CC, again read your own country requirements. You are limited till max 50 CC that means at home you can drive a scooter/moped with 49,9 CC and not with more CC and that is the same in Thailand.
Robert *******
No license but have a license? Your license is for what kind of vehicle and what kind of vehicle where you driving? Easy to make statement like they just say this and that, they just fine me, some details would be nice.
Brian ******************
But I had a Australia license
Brian ******************
No license
Robert *******
And you got fined for what?
Brian ******************
90 days don't aply here i got fined and told there is no 3 month anymore
Stephen *******
People, if he only has a car licence at home, that's all he has here with an IDP. It's not a magic document. He can't legally drive a motorcycle here. Maybe can con some police who can't read English on the IDP but it's illegal. In Thailand there is no 50cc exemption for car licence holders.
Martin *********
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Mines not quiet the same ... ?
Stephen *******
The IDP only covers a motorcycle if its stamped as valid. You'll notice on my old one that A and B are endorsed and C, D and E are not.
Stephen *******
Yes of course a scooter is a motorcycle.
Senger ******
no 50cc scoots anymore in TH. also..they have then in VN. though, can buy new one..Honda Cub
Richard *****
@Martin ********
. The British car license allows you to ride a moped (less than 50cc) without a test in the U.K. only. It does not translate to riding a 'scooter' of any description in Thailand where, I believe, there is no difference in motorcie' for license purposes. So, the British license along with the IDP will only cover you if you have passed the test in U.K. for a motorcycle. No U.K. Motorcycle (over 50cc) license means you need a Thai license.
Steve *******
@Jordan *******
. Only if the licence from you home country allows you to ride motorcycles.
Martin *********
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A motorcycle being a scooter ? .. I class a motorcycle as something bigger than 50cc .. although out here the word ' motorcycle ' seems to cover everything on 2 wheels ?
Jordan ********
it says in the idp you can use motorcycles with the permit
Martin *********
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Hi Stephen , so a scooter is classed as a motorcycle as well ? .
Brian ******************
One thing to remember you will not be covered with insurance with the international license
Brian ******************
Hi the international should be ok but the UK probably not i got a fine with an Australian license they told me it doesn't cover me the trouble is they change they're mind all the time but the international should be good
Brian ******************
No thei international should be ok but if it is a car license it won't cover the bike
Martin *********
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That's what I say , I actually went to a police ' box ' near my condo ( where they stop farangs all the time ) I ask the policeman there and showed him my IDP , he said , yes that's ok ... happy days ..... no , then a guy who works for an Agency tells me , you need a thai licence ... so hence that's why I asked the question
Lamar *******
I live in Chiang Mai and I can tell you for certain your international license is fine for a scooter/motorbike only if you have a motorcycle classification in it from back home. Otherwise, you will need to get a Thai license and pass a vision test, written test, driving test, medical test, etc.
Steve *******
The IDP only validates what you can legally drive/ride in your home country.
Steve *******
@Mar***
. Just get the Thai licence, you can also use it as ID, banking, checking into hotels, etc.
Martin *********
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Believe me I won't be driving anything bigger than 50cc lol . It's daunting enough out here as it is .
Steve *******
@Martin ********
. Yes, it wont cover you for anything over 50cc. Most motorbikes out here are 100-125cc, even the automatic 'step through' ones.
Martin *********
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Not the case according to some on here , if I have to get a thai licence .
Martin *********
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Mopeds and scooters only go up to 50cc
Steve *******
@Mar***
. Up to what cc? You can then drive the same in Thailand. Whatever your licence covers.
Martin *********
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But I can drive a moped/ scooter in the uk . ( not that I have though )
Steve *******
@Mar***
. That's what I mean, it only validates what you can drive/ride on that licence.
Martin *********
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Yes ,I did .
Steve *******
@Martin ********
. Did you have to give your home country licence details to get it? I havent had an IDP for about 3 years so things may well have changed.
Martin *********
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I agree with all that , but I applied for my IDP ( and got ) from here in Thailand and from USA , and I'm from UK ..

?
Tod *********
@St***
, sorry I misunderstood your answer :/
Steve *******
@T**
. Yes obviously because you only use the IDP abroad. But it only validates what you legally drive in your own country.
Martin *********
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If you can only drive in your own country on a IDP , and you already have a drivers licence anyway .. what's the point in having one ??
Andre **********************
Its valid to drive internationally but once its expire, you have to go back to home country and renew another one. So its best to get a local driving license in Thailand and its easy.
Tod *********
Umm, correct me if I'm wrong but an international driving permit is the permit that lets your license be valid in other countries (it doesn't count for anything in your home country) :/
Martin *********
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Ok bottom line is , yes I live here ( retired ) . I have an international licence valid for 2 years , but I will need a thai licence too .. I shall do this week .. ( nervous because although I drive a car in the uk , I've never driven a scooter before , anywhere , and in Patts it looks pretty perilous) .
Simon *********
Just done my Thai license in CM and can tell you that they accept a European license if you have the correct endorsement. In other words, if you have car and motorbike crossed off on your license, you can get a Thai license very quickly, by passing the colour blindness test, reaction test and e-learning. If you don't have the endorsement for motorbike, you have to go on a short test to show that you can drive around a course without falling off. The entire test took about one minute, consisted of driving around a course, stopping at the right places, signalling and basically staying on. We had to slalom between some cones which was easy enough and finish up by driving along a beam about 20 cm wide and 10 meters long, which was the only part even vaguely challenging.
Martin *********
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I'm in Pattaya , up pratamak Hill , a little bit out of the way , no bhat bus comes up here . I like walking ( downhill) lol .. but coming back is hard work .. I've managed all these years without , but now I've moved up here , I think I need one .
Ian *********
I am retired here also and have both thai motorcycle and car. As I have a car I stopped riding a bike. Its quite dangerous here and I personally know experienced riders who have seriously injured themselves. You buy a bike for 20k+. Thats a lot of tuk tuk or 10baht buses. Much safer.
Martin *********
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I always wear a helmet as a passenger anyway ,,and yes there's a quiet , clear road just a little way from my condo , so for sure I'll be having a good few practice sessions before I venture out 👍🏻
Tod *********
The BIG question is do you have a motorcycle endorsement on your current UK license? If I'm not mistaken holding a car endorsement on a UK license lets you drive scooters under a certain cc, BUT it doesn't count to get a thai license for a motorcycle.

You will not hafta take the driving test or the computerized multiple choice test when getting the car license because you already hold a valid UK license.

However if you don't have a motorcycle license you'll hafta take the driving proficiency (on their little track) and the multiple choice test for a motorcycle license here.
Robert *********
if you've never driven a scooter before, don't start now unless you have a large area of soft ground you can practise on for at least several hours. It is as easy as it looks to go down the road, but to ride safely takes some years. and wear a helmet
Si ********
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Stephen *******
Yes you can drive a car with a foreign car licence. But not a motorcycle unless you have a foreign motorcycle licence.
Si ********
your license is perfectly acceptable here. If you're here longer than 90 days then you'll need the Thai 1
Si ********
I guess it's easier than arguing your case at the station
Martin *********
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Ok thanks ... odd though the amount of ' tourists ' in Pattaya getting fined every 5 min for only having their own country ones ... easy money I guess .
Ton ******
Your home license is only for driving a car?
Henry *********
If you live here you should get a Thai licence. It's very easy to do as you have a UK licence/IDP.
Martin *******
Are you living in Thailand? If not you need your home licence and an IDP issued in the UK, which is valid for a year.
Simon *********
The IDP is valid for 12 months. However if you're in Thailand on a tourist visa for longer than 60 days or living here on another type, then you have to get a Thai license immediately, so the length of time of your IDP is not so important here.
Martin *********
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Yes I live in Thailand , I applied through and got , USA ( AA) on line ( only option ) for my international one .
Ton ******
Not correct, if you stay longer than
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year, you need temp. Thai drivers license.
Tod *********
If I'm not mistaken there's a limit to the time you can "live here" and still use your license from your home country (whether you have the international driver's permit or not).

Getting the two year temporary thai driver's license IF you already hold a valid license from your country is NOT a perilous undertaking and it can easily be done in a couple hours..
Ron *******
International permit is valid for 90 days maximum when staying here. You also need the endorsement of whatever you wish to drive on your actual licence. Holding just a car licence in the UK for instance and getting the International permit because you wish to ride a motorbike in Thailand is illegal.
Paul ********
Two year international ????????
Martin *********
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No I don't have a problem in getting or applying for a thai licence , it takes about an hour and short easy test apparently.. but having asked and being told a international licence does the job , only to be told no it doesn't is a little confusing . Certainly in Pattaya if your stoped and you are stopped regularly, and fined if you only have your country licence , or no licence ofcourse .
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