What are the options for expats wanting to work in Bangkok and how does the visa process work?

Jun 16, 2023
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Scott *********
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Hey guys,

So ive recently moved to Bangkok from Perth Australia (although im English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿). Im currently 36 and have done sales all my life, and for the past 6.5 years have been running my own direct sales company in Perth. Ive moved to BKK for a career break.

Im interested in working in different fields away from sales for example, teaching English, working in a bar etc. Id like any information on getting employment in BKK, courses I can take, just any general information or experiences people have had. Any information on working visas here in Thailand and any other groups I can join would be good too! Also Im also looking to make some new friends so if anyone would like to go for a 🍻 hit me up! 😁
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The original post seeks information on work opportunities in Bangkok following a recent move from Perth, Australia. The user expresses interest in various fields such as teaching English and bar work but lacks a degree, which complicates acquiring a work permit for teaching. Comments highlight that teaching English typically requires a degree, although some opportunities may exist without one. The importance of securing employment before obtaining a B visa and work permit is noted. Recommendations for teaching certifications like CELTA are provided, along with suggestions to explore jobs with international companies in Bangkok. Other job prospects, including sales positions, trading foreign exchange, and networking as an expat, are discussed. Overall, securing work as an expat in Thailand appears challenging, but not impossible with the right qualifications and networking.
Zun **********
Land down under ! good luck and cheers !! btw Adeline from bkk
Adam *********
I’m from uk but just moved from Perth also and 34 😂 Il be happy to go for a beer 🍺
Billy *********
You're going to need a work permit that you have to pay for yourself. Usually companies in Thailand will not cover the cost of your wp
Paul *******
@Billy ********
Usually they do cover the cost of the WP, but that's relatively cheap. It's the initial non-B visa and travel costs associated with its application as well as costs associated with getting to Thailand they won't cover.
Billy *********
Huh, well that wasn't my experience unfortunately. Good luck to you though
Lj *********
Don’t listen to the people that say a degree is mandatory. I’m a high school drop out, I came to Thailand in 2014 and found a job in the travel industry got a work permit and visa. Anything is possible if u search hard and hustle a little bit. I’m also from Perth ✌️
Zun **********
Network is matter rather than your degree, good luck to get good connection to get your preferred job asap.
Paul *******
@Lj ********
Most people have university degrees these days so that isn't usually an obstacle. Getting a Thailand based employer to hire an expat/foreigner is the main challenge.
Scott *********
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@Lj ********
thanks for the info mate and I don’t mind the hustle either haha!
Kat ********
@Lj ********
you need a degree to teach and in order to be issued non b for teaching
Stephenie **********
Pretty much everything is ring fenced. Either have a masters then you can teach or own a business
Sam *********
@Stephenie *********
you don’t need a masters to own a business here
Stephenie **********
@Sam ********
i didn't say that you did
Muhammad *************
Get a teaching job mate.easy to get for white Farangs.

As its compulsory that a person must have bachelor degree but some schools are hiring white gents without degree too.

Specially away from Bkk.

Gd luck
Antanas *************
@Muhammad ************
If I will have TEFL 150h and TOEIC with at least 800 score what are my chances to get that job. Also I’m studying Thai language is that plus or not really? (No degree)
Kat ********
@Muhammad ************
they literally cannot be issued with non b for teaching if they haven't got a degree
Paul *******
@Kat *******
Any degree is fine. Doesn't have to be in teaching.
Muhammad *************
@Kat *******
thats why i use compulsory word for a degree
Scott *********
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@Muhammad ************
thanks mate 👍🏻
John *********
If your looking to earn Income you might consider trading foreign exchange online. It's not rocket science and if you have the right temperament coupled with a good understanding of the basics you will earn a regular income. FXCM has an online trading platform which is very user friendly.
Tony *********
@John ********
let's get real. 95% of forex traders fail to make any profit. After blowing a couple of accounts they walk away. These stats available from brokers and prop firms.
Antanas *************
@Tony ********
yes demo and live account are at very different psychology levels.In example I started with demo with 5000 and I’m not worrying at all about loosing money also I’m not controlling it just opening positions and giving time if I’m wrong sooner or later I will be In plus so I did 700+ and I have live account with 500 just to try I’m controlling it every time and closing positions to early because of psychology I’m loosing money.blowing account it is easy if you do more risky positions.
John *********
@Antanas ************
if your not suited to to trading then it’s good to recognise that fact early on. I suppose the reason I’ve been doing well at trading is I tend to ignore the money side of the equation and more concerned about how my system is functioning.
Tony *********
@Antanas ************
I can show you insane strategies that will make huge sums of money on demo or back test but there's no way you would sleep at night on a live account or even take the trades when your own money is on the table.
John *********
@Tony ********
That was true in the past. However beginners can practice their skills using a simulation account until they become proficient at trading. That’s the best approach to tackle blowing up your account.
Tony *********
@John ********
do you seriously think that practicing on a demo account is the same as a real account? Trading is 10% strategy and 90% psychology. So do you think there is the same psychology in play on a demo account as there is on a live account?
John *********
@Tony ********
fair comment I agree up to a POINT where no matter weather it’s a simulation account or real account the psychology can be placed into a balanced state or near enough. Eg a beginner spends say 6 months studying and creating a strategy to trade with. The small amount he starts with becomes less of a worry if he looses it because of a greater concern that he has wasted time on a system that still has flaws in it. So in this scenario it wouldn’t matter which type of account he trades.

Pressure is pressure learn to master how you let it effect you.
Tony *********
@John ********
I've been in this game for a long time.
Michael ********
Lots of recruitment agents looking for sales people especially on the engineering side
Paul *******
@Michael *******
True, but only relatively few positions are open to expats.
Michael ********
@Paul ******
My mates son who was relatively inexperienced (i did apprenticeship with his dad) managed to get two jobs in a row both paying
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0 baht plus. I was very surprised. Both jobs through same agent
Anna ********
@Michael *******
intriguing, may one be so bold to enquire what kind of jobs these were....
Michael ********
@David *****
one was sales rep for well known industrial epoxy supplier and the other was for a local engineering company and not sure what they fabricated.
Anna ********
@Michael *******
thanks. Assumed one woukd need to speak thai fluently
Michael ********
@David *****
No he doesnt speak Thai
Gregg *************
Id suggest teaching English vs working in bars
Jay **********
Look at international companies like Agoda who are based in BKK for a job, they will also be able to sponsor
Scott *********
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@Jay *********
cheers mate ill look into that
Jorge ****
There are *many* foreigners employed as English teachers in LOS. Of course, qualifications are required.

The application deadline has passed for this "help wanted" ad, but this illustrates one of the many opportunities a foreigner has in LOS for extended living and earning an income, above average, to go with it. Teaching is an honorable endeavor, contributes immensely to future generations and will provide a social environment where the newcomer can ease into mainstream society. Many have done it for years, and also retired here as a bonus. Check out the various job boards online. Good luck!
Jorge ****
You and I can see that but a social/traditional mindset does not come about but in 100 to 200 yrs assuming there is also economic and belief changes that facilitate intellectual growth. I regret this may sound ugly, but while "you can take them out of the village, you can't take the village out of them". Old proverb.
Paul *******
@Jorge ***
Why are they discriminating based on age? Most expat University staff tend to be 50+ from what I've noticed.
Jorge ****
@Paul ******
in traditionally agrarian economies/societies, young workers can carry more sacks of rice faster and farther. This belief and practice is nearly impossible to change over one or two generations. In knowledge based economies/societies, the opposite occurs. We value intelligence, not muscle. Then there is an uglier side. No way a 50+ teacher can be more entertaining, lively, and attractive than a younging, full of vitality, and good looks, who may even be a possible target for a wild ride. Got to keep students interested. Knowledge and experience? Nah, for what? They want fun and games! 😀
Paul *******
@Jorge ***
Well, this isn't an agricultural position but an academic one that requires experience. It doesn't require physical strength and unlike 100 or 200 years ago, the life expectancy in Thailand isn't 35 anymore.
David ********
@Jorge ***
yep Bachelor degree or above!
Scott *********
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@Jorge ***
thanks for the info much appreciated 👍🏻
Joe ********
I am from the UK, currently living in BKK and waiting to receive my PR visa for Australia, I plan to head to Perth once It's been granted.

As mentioned by others you will really struggle to find work here mate. Most people that stay here long term around our age group work remote from there home country or have something else going on on the quiet.. I have been trying to find a way to work here on and off for many years but have had no success hence why I decided to apply for a PR visa in Australia where I can earn decent money and then come to relax in Thailand..

I have read a few comments from Aussies on this post, would there be any chance I could DM someone with questions in regards to Australia? Apologies for jumping on the post.
Paul *******
@Joe *******
Well, that is unless you start your own business. Pretty much the only realistic way of finding work in Thailand as an expat, if you're not sent to work here as an internal company transfer of a multinational company, a diplomat, English language teacher or educator is to do that.

One has to change their mindset and understand the social and cultural differences - even if we don't take into account the restrictions foreigners face in finding work here, here are a few differences I've found.

1) Thais are more entrepreneurial than Australians/westerners in general. Far more Thais run their own business than Australians do. This isn't necessarily because Thais are better at doing business than Australians are, but because it's much easier for Thais to run their own business than for Australians.

2) The vast majority of Australians will never own their own business and always work for a boss. In Thailand, the majority of people work for themselves in some capacity, such as running a business out of their own home, a coffee shop, street cart etc. Australia's excessive regulatory environment essentially prevents this from happening in Australia.

3) Renting/owning your own property in Thailand is much cheaper than in Australia, with little to no property taxes.

4) The family is the most important support mechanism in Thailand. There is very little in the way of government social security payments except for pensions, which are barely enough to survive on for one or two days, let alone an entire month.
Peter ********
@Joe *******
as mentioned we have a housing and rental crisis in Australia, people paying big rents and mortgages to live here. Also the cost of living in general is high, still there is always a way and if your single it would be easier. I feel lucky to own a home here and not have to worry about it, good luck.
Joe ********
@Peter *******
would you mind if I kept in contact with you via messenger?
Peter ********
@Joe *******
can do mate,I’m no expert on anything these days though.
Joe ********
@Peter *******
yes mate I have heard the housing crisis you have there is pretty bad. My reason for choosing Perth to try and settle is because the UK has equally major problems which is making people choose a different life path. Our NHS is on its arse, the weather is shit 95% of the time, inflation is through the roof and our wages are not as high as what you earn over in Australia essentially in my line of work anyways.

Ideally I would love to live in Thailand permanently but my ages makes it very difficult. My plan is to earn as much money as I can in Perth and come back to Thailand to enjoy life as much as I can.

Once my PR visa is finally granted the next stage will be to apply for a visa so my girlfriend can join me while I am working there. That is a different topic and will cross that bridge when it comes to it..
Peter ********
@Joe *******
Perth is a good choice, I’m biased of course but I’ve lived all over Australia and I wouldn’t want to be anywhere else.
Paul *******
@Peter *******
Yeah but unless you work as a FIFO worker, or are a tradesman (known as a tradie in Australian vernacular) or if you're in education and maybe a little bit in finance/insurance what is there for work there? Perth doesn't have a manufacturing sector to speak of.
Scott *********
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@Joe *******
yeah no worries mate, im a citizen in Aus now. Im thinking about doing a dive instructors course among other things here. Ive been in aus for years hence why i want a break from the place!! Plus with the rental crisis in Perth among other things i thought it would be a good time to leave ✈️
Peter ********
I’m from Perth mate and travel to Thailand every year, I earn good money here and couldn’t imagine trying to get work over there and have a good life?? You could work the mines here in Western Australia for a few years and have enough money to not have to worry about working.
Paul *******
@Peter *******
Difficult to get work in the mines now and the greens are trying to shut down the industry. Soon a crazy new law will all but prevent West Australian farmers from tilling their own land!
Nishant ************
@Peter *******
That's right. The average monthly income of the Australian economy is way higher than that of Thailand's average monthly income. A lot of people from developing countries move to developed countries for better work opportunities and higher amount of income.
Scott *********
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@Peter *******
ive put the hard graft in with my biz so not after the $ as much just a change of career. Plus i get abit of passive income from that. Nah couldn’t imagine anything worst than doing Fifo and staying away id rather do sales! Cheers though 👍🏻
Ryan ********
Yeh, i am from Sydney, build wealth in Australia then bum around in South East Asia
Paul *******
@Ryan *******
Only reliable way of building wealth in Australia these days is if you're in the property market. With living costs spiraling out of control and jobs drying up, Australia isn't an easy place to find work [anymore].
Scott *********
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@Ryan *******
yeah mate thats exactly what im doing. I dont intend to earn big $$ here just make my money last longer

If I want to earn the $$$ i just fly back perth and do sales
Peter ********
@Scott ********
good luck then mate.
Miles ***********
If you want to teach English. You can do the CELTA course at IH Bangkok. I did mine in 96 and have travelled the world on this. BUT you would need a degree to get a work permit legally.
Scott *********
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@Miles **********
thanks, just a nightmare i haven’t got a degree! Ill look into the CELTA course. 👍🏻
Scott *********
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Im up for a laugh Didn’t know this was funny david
William ************
You will always be a foreigner. Something I thought that you would be already very aware of prior to moving to Thailand.

Can start a business employing Thais. Then you will be highly dependant on Thais putting in a decent honest days work . Good luck with everything.
John ********
I think that you will find a lest for the jobs you cannot do on the thai embassy website so start on there and then you can have a good idea of what you need to do to get your job
Scott *********
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@John *******
cheers mate ill have a look at that 👍🏻
Sam *********
you can’t get a B visa and a WP until you’ve secured employment
Scott *********
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@Sam ********
yeah i thought that, im just trying to get an idea of what employment i could do before I look into visas
John **********
You would be very unlikely to get a job working behind a bar. Teaching English is possible but only if you have a degree. Basically unless you have a skill that a Thai is unlikely to have your going to struggle
Richard *********
Steven Lesbirel Obviously you have never been to Thailand<

NO bar ( well may be on some of the small islands, where they will pay u with beer and a cot) ) would hire a farang to work behind the bar< even owners with wp's are not allowed to do that
John **********
@Steven *********
you will see foreign managers or owners hanging around but I'd be very surprised if you actually see them behind a bar pulling pints
Randy ********
@Steven *********
I’ve been to hundreds of bars in pattaya. I have yet to see one foreigner working behind the bar. All I’ve ever seen were owners and managers. I’d be surprised to see any serving drinks.
Paul *******
@Randy *******
I've seen plenty of farang serving drinks but I wouldn't say that's their main role. These are usually managers helping out their local staff. Or if they own the joint then they might make a drink on occasion.
Randy ********
Paul James that’s understandable. Helping out your own staff and being employed as a bar attendant or sever is another story. I’ve seen mangers helping out around their own bar many times. But, I have yet to see a foreigner employed in such role.
Paul *******
@Randy *******
Yep, same here.
John **********
@Steven *********
I'd be surprised if they are legit then
Scott *********
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@Steven *********
haha easy mate, thats what I was thinking. I noticed alot of foreigners working in bars when ive been here before. Cheers 👍🏻
Scott *********
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@John *********
thanks for the info! I heard that I can do certain cocktail courses/ English teaching courses that could guarantee me employment once ive finished them. Do you know anything about that??
Nigel *********
@Scott ********
you're better off doing your instructors course. Look at khaolak and once qualified you can work on Liveaboards. Not shit money. Also, not many people know this, dive master is a reserved occupation for Thais. So farangs can't be dive masters. Sad times
Richard *********
to be an instructor:

You need to be at least 18 years of age

Certified up to Divemaster (Open Water, Advanced Open Water, Rescue Diver, Emergency First Responder, and Divemaster Course)

Have at least 100 logged dives

Have around $3000 to cover the cost of the course and the requisite materials

You must pass the Instructor Examination

PLUS ur living expenses for a year or so
John **********
@Scott ********
one step at a time 😉
Scott *********
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@John *********
haha yeah true, got to have ideas in motion though….
Dan *******
Hi
@Scott ********
, i don't know anything about the qualifications but there is a school in phuket
@European ******************
👍
Scott *********
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@Dan ******
thanks mate, i was talking to another guy about doing a Diving instructor’s course too in Phuket. Ill look into this European Bartender School too 👍🏻
Richard *********
@Scott ********
to do a dive course thru dive master would coats ya a couple of thousand $$$"

and dive masters make shit money only 3 months /year

forget bartending as thats for thais
Scott *********
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@Richard ********
id look more long term, become an instructor and then down the line open up my own diving biz if I was to do that.
Richard *********
@Scott ********
good luck with that<
Richard **********
@Richard ********
3 months a year?
Steve *************
@Richard ********
yes mate, I’ll second that info….
John **********
@Scott ********
no I know nothing about cocktails other than how to drink them. For the English courses I guess you are talking about TEFL courses, there are a few companies providing them in Thailand, however even with that your not going to get a teaching job unless you have a bachelor's degree
Paul *******
@John *********
It's not so much that than the fact that Thai companies generally don't hire foreigners as the bureaucracy is complex and we're expensive. Easier for most companies to wait for a while to hire the right Thai candidate, such as someone who studied abroad and thus speaks fluent English.
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