Is the 60-day visa-exempt entry in Thailand now unlimited?

Jul 28, 2024
4 months ago
Nongnuch ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I'm currently having a huge argument with a moderator of an English-speaking group

He is absolutely convinced that he believes what Tod Daniels wrote a week ago about the 60-day visa-exempt entry.

I, on the other hand, and the admin of another English-speaking visa advice group, are of the opinion that you shouldn't believe everything and should wait and see whether more reports of this kind come in.

It's true - there have been no other such statements so far.

Tod Daniels (a great guy, the visa guru of the advice groups!)

came to the conclusion a week ago that since July 15th you can make UNLIMITED 60-day visa-exempt entries via a land border. The limit of crossing a land border twice per calendar year has been dropped, he wrote

unfortunately, he is basing his argument on ONE single report, as well as the passport and the story of a Filipino who was stamped in at Nong Khai

this Filipino had already overstayed three times (!!) and had already made THREE 30-day visa-free entries since the beginning of the year!

and then the guy claims that after a 60-day visa-exempt stay permit was stamped into his passport, he asked the official how many times he could re-enter from there on

and the official answered him: "unlimited!"

I don't believe a word of this story

because - who is so stupid as to point out to the official at the border with such a stupid question that he might have made a mistake?

He would have expect that the border official will take a closer look at his passport and possibly revoke the stamp!

Do you understand?

that's why I don't believe this story

and Tod Daniels may have fallen for this story

And what else can you say about the little phrase "unlimited visa-free travel"?

The phrase "unlimited visa-free travel by air" has already suggested something that didn't actually exist

In the past, at a certain point, let’s say, the third consecutive attempt at visa-free travel, you would be taken aside at all airports (and at land borders!) and questioned about your true intentions.

And you would be warned that this would be the last time you would be allowed to enter without a suitable visa for a specific purpose.

So, please, why would it have been changed to "unlimited visa-free travel for 60 days for the rest of your Life" as of July 15th?

Based on just ONE report from a Filipino traveler about his experiences at a land border to Laos?

Why should one now start to believe that the phrase "unlimited" actually means unlimited entries by air and land?

Each entry is still granted at the discretion of the immigration officer at the border.

If an immigration officer decides that you have used visa-free entry often enough in a row and have "abused" it for a long-term stay, you can flush the next "unlimited" entry down the toilet
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A debate is ongoing regarding the interpretation of the recent changes to Thailand's visa-exempt entry rules, particularly the possibility of 'unlimited' 60-day entries via land borders. Some community members assert that there is still an implicit limit to the number of entries, while others believe that recent reports suggest the limitation on land border crossings has been lifted. Key points of contention include the validity of a single report used to support the claim of unlimited entries and the discretion of immigration officers who may deny entry based on perceived abuse of the visa exemption system.
John **********
I suspect you misunderstand the term unlimited, which simply means there is no prescribed limit. Entry by air has been unlimited for a long time, yet people regularly get denied entry. In reality entry by both air and land are now aligned and what we will start to see is land entries being scrutinised in exactly the same way as entry by air.
Mark *******
It is certainly confusing! My own experience is having entered and departed by air on two occasions thus far this year! ( With a visa exemption stamp)For a period of 14 and 13 days respectively. I returned on 2nd June for a third time,and with only an forwarding air ticket to Cambodia.( I was not even questioned about this) Receiving a visa exemption stamp until the 2nd July.I was granted a further 30 days at the Chonburi Immigration which expires on the 31st July. The stamp makes quite clear that I have to depart Thailand in that time. Hence I'm going on a Cambodia border run on the 30th July. The agent perused my passport and explained that I'll receive a 60 days visa exemption stamp upon my return. It is only a day trip. Then I gather I can apply for another 30 days at Chonburi Immigration! Though I plan to return to the UK for a visit in September.
David *******
It’s true they did change it to “unlimited” times you can enter but if you stay 180 days with just 60 day + extension they will ask you to get a real visa or not come back until next year
Bob **********
My neighbor enters and exits Thailand every month and has been doing this for many years he works in the North Sea and works for one month and spends a month here so that’s 6 exempt entries a year yes by air and since the 60 day exempt hasn’t been in effect for even 60

days only time will tell and also IO’s look at ASEAN countries a little different than western world
Lynnette *******
As it's the use of the word "unlimited" that people are arguing about, let's just amend that to "no set limit, like before". So it could be unlimited if the IO considers the entries are not being used to live in Thailand indefinitely.
Graham *********
Chill
Falcon *******
oh remember this...Thailand can make a very fast uturn before you even realized it. Dont get too excited.
Falcon *******
in a nutshell, its really up to the Immigration officer and their moods...they reserve the right to just give you 30days or less...read the Immigration Law fine print. The law is Not cast in stone, just a broad overview...
Ron ******
Given the overwhelming variation in experiences and outcomes in these matters I’m finding it difficult to understand why the conversation is even being had🤔
Nick ************
Currently on 26 visa exempt entries since April 2022, although no stay is longer than 14 days. All via air.
Marty *********
Why get worked up about this? Just wait for more reports on what is happening at the border. It is still early days. If you don't want to believe what Tod posted then don't believe it. Move on with your life.
Eric **********
Henry *********
Back-to-back visa exempt entries after two, are likely to suggest you're 'living' in Thailand and will most likely result in the possibility of being denied. The 2-times rule may have gone, but it's still going to be up to the IO.
Sue **********
I‘m rather astonished about the reported overstays (3x!) and this guy could re-enter 😉
Jo **********
I am sorry but you do unlimited entry by air. I entered in 2022 (post covid) 9 times visa exempt. Before Covid I had about 10 visa exempt entries per year. I never received a single question or negative comment. I think you should be careful with your statements
Darren *******
@Jo *********
I've done similar 2023 and this year, averaging one trip a month visa exempt entry by air. Maximum stay has been just over a week, majority are 2-3 days. IO at Swampy has asked on last 2-3 occasions how long I'm here for, when I say 2-7 days (depending on what it is) they stamp me in with no further questions or comments.
Jo **********
@Darren ******
I had a pattern of 14 - 20 days in thailand then about 1 week outside. I never stayed the full time and also never got an extension
Stuart *********
I asked for confirmation on this from my boss at immigration. They confirmed that there is no set limit on ผ.60 entries at land borders.
Dennis *********
one utuber actually had an assistant? PM for external affairs or something similar. He said he had participated in many of the ongoing meetings around new immigration policies. He also said it is "unlimited" but of course completely at the discretion of the immigration agent at the boarder, when you come through; that is for boarder runs. he said there's nothing specific written in the law, so it's up to each agent... but of course that's always subject to change with no notice.
Nongnuch ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Dennis ********
not really true. You cannot use a visa-exempt entry for the purpose of a longstay in Thailand. Period. After you have completed one, two or three visa-exempt entries there comes the moment when every border official will tell you that you are stressing the law and that will be your last visa-exempt entry
Jo **********
@Nongnuch *******
completely false I am sorry but you do have unlimited entry by air. I entered in 2022 (post covid) 9 times visa exempt. Before Covid I had about 10 visa exempt entries per year for many years. I never received a single question or negative comment. I also never abused the system. I think you should be careful with your statements
Dennis *********
@Nongnuch *******
you can say what you wish. I heard a very high level government official say that. You could look it up or think anything you want.
Frank-Steven ***********
@Nongnuch *******
Yes. But not because any hard limit on entries or max times allowed is anywhere to actually be found in any Thai law - as I elaborated above. Maybe they finally stop that bad practice of denying people entry for a reason not covered in the law and stop automatically assuming that people with too many visa exempt entries either don’t have enough funds or work illegally. Or maybe they will just continue doing so. Remains to be seen.
Frank-Steven ***********
The actual law (Thai Immigration Act of 1979) doesn’t have and never had any hard limit on maximum entries or total amount of time spent on tourist visa. That is why whenever immigration officers denied entry, they had to use alternative “excuses” instead. In the vast majority of cases they rejected entry by relying on Thai Immigration Act sections 12.2 (insufficient funds) or 12.3 (illegally working in Thailand). They followed a non sustainable logic that if someone spends too much time as a tourist he / she cannot have enough funds to live off of them and thus must be working illegally. This has always been bs but they had to use something for lack of a better reason in the actual law. Having said that: IF that former guideline (as in never covered by the law) of 2 land border entries has fallen, then that does NOT in turn mean that you will be let in UNLIMITTED times on visa exemptions automatically. Immigration officers can still deny entry if they have cause to believe you are in breach of the underlying conditions. Just as they did on air entries before. I think Tod (great guy) was misinterpreted here.
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Frank-Steven ***********
@Nongnuch *******
The law is called “Thai Immigration Act of 1979”. Section 12 of that law lists exhaustive reasons to deny a person entry into Thailand. And while deny of entries happen despite the fact of there not being any hard limitations, it is hard to defend yourself in that very moment. The Thai Immigration Act also gives the right to appeal against a wrong decision by the immigration officer (I believe regulated in section 22 of the Thai Immigration Act) and a dedicated appeal form exists for that - but hardly anyone makes use of that option as it gives them 7 days for a superior from the ministry to respond. And those 7 days you would likely spend in detention. Who wants to risk that.
Nongnuch ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Frank-Steven **********
that's it. Correct. Tod got caught in this story from a Filipino who was just LUCKY at a border. . The LAW is apparent. It is called "Section 12" and you can google it
Nongnuch ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Kim ********
it seems you got tomatoes on your eyes. "you misunderstand Mr Eichholtz's remark to you. He says "I think Tod was misinterpreted here" which means that the reader of his post got it wrong" . . . . It was ME who said that Tod might have misinterpreted it, not Mr. Eichholtz😂
Kim *********
@Nongnuch *******
yes I know put it wrong - but what I said about your comments were correct - the essence of this is that it is not Tod that misinterpreted it but the reader of Tod's comment that misunderstood what Tod wrote and hence Tod was not "caught" as I said before
Nongnuch ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Kim ********
what I said was that Tod "might have misinterpreted" the report of one lonesome Filipino traveller and his experience on the Nong Khai border. The Filipino claimed the officer told him that from now on he can re-enter Thailand on 60-days visa-exempt entries for unlimited times within the rest of his life. Myself, I don't think so. I think this is a misinterpretation. It's only "unlimited" until the moment an Immigration officer thinks that you are misusing the system
Jay *****
Just let those who believe try it and they will know what is true and what is not. Thailand always stick to twice a calendar year land border entry.
Nongnuch ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jay ****
agreed! Let's wait and see what will happen
Lynnette *******
Perhaps the phrase should be "no specific limit noted at present, so you enter on the 60 day visa exemption until the IO says no". It's perhaps like other exempt entries, it depends how you're using it.
Nongnuch ********
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@Lynnette ******
exactly. You can enter visa-exempt as long as you can't anymore
Jan ******************
@Nongnuch *******
I believe that’s the real point here. It’s unlimited in the same way as airport entries and it’s possible until it’s not, -and that’s totally in the discretion of the IO you’re standing in front of.
Lynnette *******
@Nongnuch *******
I suspect what he was saying was there's no specific 2 entry limit on land border entries now. But. . people using the new 60 day exempt entry for tourism as a means to live in Thailand might be refused.
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