How has the Covid-19 situation in Thailand affected expats, particularly regarding visa issues?

Nov 18, 2020
4 years ago
Narak ******
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Hello everyone, I'm Tanakrid (Benz)

I have a few questions that I want to ask a member group

Every answer will be applied to the workgroup in the university

My question is "Does the current Covid-19 situation in Thailand affect you? If so, how does it affect you?"
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The Covid-19 situation in Thailand has had mixed effects on expats, varying from minimal personal impact to significant concerns regarding visa regulations. While some expats enjoy the quieter environment free from tourist swell, others struggle with the confusion surrounding visa extensions and the necessity to leave the country to switch visa types. Concerns about financial stability and the future during these uncertain times are prevalent, along with discussions about the government's response to the pandemic and its impact on local businesses.
Mai ****************
Hi guys, I’m her teammate and I want to ask you something too.

My post still doesn’t get approved, so I decide to comment a question instead.

Here’s a question : What do you think about Thailand’s Visa inquiry?

Thank you for helping me, I’m really grateful.
John ********
Self quaritine is better it works in my country
Sree *******
@John *******
did it work in the UK? I’m assuming your British
Nick *******
@Sree ******
they are still using it, they call it self-isolation. I'm not sure how effective it is at stopping incoming cases, because it relies on everyone complying and is very difficult to monitor. I think it is fairly safe to say it would not be a good way to ensure Thailand remains a safe haven from covid. It's more of a 'better than nothing' approach for places that already have a lot of covid cases everywhere.
John ********
Of course difficult to get covid test and f2f
Nick *******
The covid response measures were excellent, communicated to us in both Thai and English, including live Q&A sessions with the local police, which was very helpful. I was very impressed with how seriously they took the pandemic and how effectively they kept the outbreaks very local and prevented major spreading.

Sadly now the visa rules are making many of us incredibly anxious and worried about finances and the future. I'm not against quarantine, but I'm against being told to leave and apply abroad and then do quarantine to get back in, just to complete a 2 year study plan which was previously possible to do without exiting. This only became impossible after covid, which is quite difficult to comprehend. I'm already in the country... surely at this time all people all over the world who are in covid-free countries should have the right to remain there until the storm passes, not cast out into it and separated from loved ones, at great financial emotional and mental health costs.
Narak ******
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@Nick ******
Thank you for support and telling about the COVID-19 problem 🙂
Nick *******
@Narak *****
my pleasure
Nick *******
p.s. they might want to consider allowing some lower-end hotels to get on the ASQ list, because not many people are going to spend that much and go through 14-16 days of quarantine to be a tourist here, and the tourism industry (at least at the local level) is seriously struggling already. A forced expat exodus could be the nail in the coffin.
Duncan *******
Yes, it means I can't travel abroad on holidays.
Narak ******
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@Duncan ******
Thank you for this comment. 🙂
Todd *********
I came here in mid-March to ride Covid out. Circumstances really could not have been better. And many excellent reasons why I chose Thailand over any other nation. Fantastic time to be here. We all can appreciate the economic hardships that are occurring here and globally. But for people who failed to recognize the situation that was occurring in March and opted to leave or not return... 🤷‍♂️. Hopefully making decisions this time around.
Narak ******
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@Todd ********
I hope so and I'm so thankful for telling about the COVID-19 🙂
Dave **********
It has effected jobs for my Thai Relatives and rental cash flow for my wife but the impact domtar is minor compared to many Thais in the Hotel Industry.
Narak ******
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@Dave *********
Thank you for taking the time to comment on this. 🙂
Kool *******
It hasn't negatively affected me at all. In fact it is very nice not having all the masses of tourists everywhere. Thailand is very nice now, and this is giving Thailand tourist areas the much needed chance to recover, and rebuild, from all the damage mass tourism has done everywhere.
William ********
@Kool ******
YEA, SURE, AND THEY ARE DOING THAT REBUILDING WITH WHOSE MONEY? NOT THE BRITS, AUSSIES, GERMANS, CANADIANS, FRENCH, SAUDI, AND ANOTHER 25 OR MORE NATIONS THAT POUR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BAHT, POUNDS AND 25 MORE COUNTRIES POURING THEIR MNEY INTO BOOZE BARGRLS, HOTELS, FOOD, TOURS, SOUVENIRS, ETC.

YOU ARE MISINFORMED, FROM WHAT I HEAR; BARS, LOCKED, HOTELS, RESTAUANTS, BEACHES EMPTY, SO WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS MASSIVE REBUILDING?

I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT IT IS THE THAI PARLIMENT.
Kool *******
@William *******
, this is your problem. You only see the rebuilding as a commercial enterprise, completely ignoring the much needed rebuilding of the natural environment. Let nature rest and it rebuilds itself, but you are completely ignorant to that....lololol. And, you shouting just makes you look even more stupid. Your tearak will still be here when you can afford to return...hahaha.
William ********
@Kool ******
Jeez You are the first one to ever tell me I had a problem. You must be a psychiatrist.
Kool *******
@William *******
, ignorance is no excuse William.
Justin *********
@William *******
Lots of money in Asian countries that you seems to have forgotten.
William ********
@Justin ****
So what is your point? Why don't you fill in the blanks for me? Please don't forget a single one. I would hate to have to remind you that you left something out.
Nick *******
just read that back and it wasn't meant to be confrontational, sorry if it came across that way. But point still stands. When I'm on my favourite beach and thinking how wonderful it is that it isn't packed with tourists, I try to catch myself... it may eventually be packed with big name chains and concrete as a result
Nick *******
When they're gone, gone with them will be that local charm that makes Thailand so special to so many of us, imo
Nick *******
@Kool ******
you might not feel the same way when all the local businesses in the tourist areas you love are bankrupt and selling very cheap to rich developers to bulldoze and replace with even more chain convenience stores and 5* hotels... careful what you wish for
Kool *******
@Nick ******
, with no business, and none projected for a few years, those things are not going to be built...lolol.
Nick *******
@Kool ******
the natural environment is rebuilding? Take a look at Koh Lanta. The sea is a giant garbage bin which used to be emptied by local tourism industry and is now overflowing with plastic because 99% of beach front tourism closed. At least true when I was there a couple of months ago. It may have improved a bit now
Kool *******
@Nick ******
, you show exactly what I am saying. The environment needs rebuilding, and time to do it. Now there are no tourists throwing their garbage off boats, or washing down storm drains into the ocean there.
Nick *******
And yet that garbage still piling up now, people are still putting it there. It's not all from foreign tourists
Nick *******
but if 'letting mother nature breathe' helps fix cognitive dissonance for you and lets you fully enjoy having it all to yourself with no negative thoughts then congratulations.
Nick *******
Chinese nouveau-riche tourists don't usually care about local charm or culture (there will be exceptions, of course) and soon they will probably be in a 'travel bubble' so tourism industry as a whole may survive but it will likely be rich developers and big global chains profiting from it because most local businesses will already have gone under before that
Nick *******
I'm just glad I can speak Mandarin
Nick *******
while enjoying their covid discounts. If anything, those of us remaining should be tipping extra in such places for the added enjoyment of having it almost to ourselves, and to help keep them in business
Narak ******
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@Kool ******
Thank you for helping to tell me information about the COVID-19. 😊
Evan ********
@Kool ******
yes agree. Just back from a short 3 day trip to Surin and bugger all foreigners which is great! Have also spent around 4 months down in Hua Hin and that was great too although still plenty of foreigners there. The bars are empty and those owners are pretty desperate but don’t frequent them myself so didn’t affect me at all and loved the quietness mid week but often quite busy on weekends just like this monster Songkran long weekend now. Traffic was very heavy heading out of Bangkok this afternoon as we drove home. Glad we are back to a quiet life here in Bangkok suburbs!
Mike *************
Hi Benz! Good question.

It's affected all of us in some way, but as per the group I presume you mean visa-related problems?

Most people who are not on long-stay visas are finding that the government is not very clear with what is happening. Tourist visa holders have been extended several times now, and usually at the last minute (a few days). Those who tried to do the right thing and get on a long-stay visa (Education, Volunteer, etc.) are finding that they could have had many months extra free. There is still not much clarity even now.

It's not just tourist visa holders either - I arrived back in Thailand just before the borders closed earlier this year.

I'm now on an ED Visa until February. I have a school that is ready to employ me, but I can't change ED Visa to Non-B within the country. My only option is to leave the country (probably quarantine wherever I go for ~50,000 Baht), get the visa outside, return (if I am allowed at that point) and quarantine here again (for another ~50,000 Baht) to convert to a work permit. It's certainly not how I want to spend over 100,000 Baht.

My easiest option is to return to the UK, however it seems that a severe infection that rots the brain has started to spread there because people keep voting for idiotic governments. Plus Covid is rampant due to the pathetic actions of that government. The country just isn't safe to return to.

I love Thailand, I want to stay, but the government doesn't make it easy at all. I have commitments here that I can't just up and leave, and this would have been no problem for me without Covid.
Narak ******
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@Mike ************
I'm so thankful and I strongly agree about this comment. 😀
Mike *************
Dominic Ireland 81.77 vs 77.74 average life expectancy.

Even with a virus that hasn't yet been accounted for in the statistics*.

Functioning democracy? Being led by an unelected PM, giving positions away to his Eton mates. Millions of pounds for PPE and other Covid related services going to 3 month old chocolate firms and the like.

Give over trying to defend that travesty will you.
Todd *********
Dominic the UK has a functioning democracy now?! It appears to have departed quite some time ago
Bobby ********
Todd McGowan. The UK has a great decisive government at the moment. It varies from Tier 1 through to Tier 3, and sometimes Tier 4. At the moment it's total (kind of) lockdown. But will unlock on December 7th (well, maybe), so that four members of the same family can celebrate Christmas together (or apart). And people reckon Thailand has decision problems! 🤣
Ben *******
Immigration has been slow to inform. They should have just extended until March next year back last August.

It was probably a difficult decision because of covid.
Bobby ********
@Mike ************
. Many of those that did the "right thing" paid
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+ baht for bogus "volunteer" visas! And there's no more free visas. Amnesty has finished. People can now stay 60 days at a time pending the reopening of the world. So I think a lot of what you're saying is not valid.
Mike *************
@Bobby *******
When I say "right thing" I mean legitimate style visas such as ED and Non-O/Non-Bs. The government recommended people to either 'prepare for leaving' or to arrange appropriate visas, and immigration offices came up with ways (price permitting, even for legitimate cases) to swap without leaving the country.

It's been totally unclear and there were even times when the papers were running messages saying things like "get out by X September or face fines and further issues".
Todd *********
@Bobby *******
60 days at a time for 1900 baht each time means less than 12k baht for the 2021. Still an awesome deal after 2020 was pretty much free.
Bobby ********
@Todd ********
. I agree. I've no idea why the Thai government didn't do this from the onset, instead of fannying around with all the indecision. 1900 x 6 sure beats the shit out of paying
*****
to a scungy visa agent.
Todd *********
@Bo***
100% agreed. Could have kept a couple of hundred thousand tourists here, and generated at least 1900 baht monthly from them indefinitely. Just no rational reason that did not occur
Hans *********
Ich fuele mich sehr wohl, da wir inzwischen keinerlei einschraenkende Probleme haben. Das Reisen ist sehr angenehm, kaum meckernde Farang unterwegs.555

Im Ernst, Fuer uns Rentner paradiesisch, so wie fuer Alle, die Geld genug haben.

Aber es tut weh, zu sehen wie ganze Geschaefts und Restaurantzeilen geschlossen sind und mancher am Ende auf der Strecke bleiben wird wenn er dort nicht schon liegt.

Und entschuldige eventuell unhoefliche Antworten, auch hier sind natuerlich Trolle unterwegs, die glauben sie waeren witzig.
Stanley **********
No, not at all.
Narak ******
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@Stanley *********
Ok. Thank you for this comment 🙂
Paul *******
No. I am over 65 and was initially a bit concerned, but as Thailand showed it could deal with the situation I worried a lot less. Hardly any more infections here, what's to worry about at the moment
William ********
@Paul ******
what's to worry about? How about being allowed in to begin with, exorbitant prices for COVID and health insurance, getting ripped off for quarantine hotels and all the other expenses in a country that is cash starved. You must be filthy rich, or don't have a clue what Thailand is going through without all the bargirls emptying your pockets of all your money for a short time, or for a soapie.
Paul *******
@William *******
unfortunately where there is life people like you will emerge from under a rock
Narak ******
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@Paul ******
Thank you for helping me with this comment about the COVID-19
Paul *******
@Narak *****
You're welcome 🙂👍
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