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How can I extend my NON-OA retirement visa in Thailand without showing proof of financial requirements?

Robert *******
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Jason Moehring is asking in another topic:

Hi all, I understand the opportunity to apply for the O A as a retiree at the LA consulate and showing proof of funds from a US bank. I don't understand the mechanics of extending a second year without the proof of income or 800k seasoned in a Thai bank. My US Social Security kicks in next year so 12 months after that I can meet the income requirement without much loss - it will be a viable option in the future. For the last 2 years I have used the affidavit method of proving income and it looks like Thai immigration wants to see straightforward and monthly social security or company pension or annuity or whatever gives a consistent monthly income in a Thai bank now. Even this year I could show the equivalent of 65k a month but it's in lump sums scattered here and there in a few large deposits. So is my thinking sound - go home for a visit and restart my retirement visa at the LA consulate? And how exactly do I get a second year extension on this visa without money in a Thai bank? Can't tell you how much I appreciate your knowledge and insights. Jason
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Jason Moehring seeks clarification on extending a NON-OA retirement visa in Thailand without the substantial bank deposits required by Thai immigration. He discusses his current reliance on a mixed-method of proof of income via lump-sum deposits and notes that starting Social Security benefits next year will help meet the financial criteria. He asks for advice on whether returning to the LA consulate to restart his retirement visa is a viable option for a second-year extension.
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Jason **********
Jason **********
Thanks to all
Marty ********
Marty ********
Obviously, those of us that do not have any history with VISAs anywhere, appreciate what information this group provides. Yes, it is sometimes as ‘clear as mud’ but reading all the comments helps a lot.
Tod *********
Tod *********
Okay, let's try ONE LAST TIME to sort out how you can get two years of stay out of a visa that is valid for one year.

First off let's get the idea of an extension OUT OF YOUR HEADS becuase you're NOT extending this visa during the two year stay you get out of it. <- An extension is gotten at the immigration office.

A year-long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa is gotten in YOUR country before you wing your way here. You show proof of funds from your country, a police background check from your country, a medical certificate from your country and you get the VISA from the thai consulate in your country.

That visa is good for unlimited entries for it's validity (a year from the date it's issued) EVERY entry to the country is good for a whole NEW years stamp.

This means IF you exit/re-enter the country just prior to the expiration date of the visa itself you will get stamped in for a whole new year <- effectively giving you TWO years of stay on a visa that has a validity of one year.

Let's look at an example O-A visa

This O-A visa was issued by the thai consulate in London on 10th of April 2018. It has a valid until date of the 9th of April 2019. IF the holder of this visa exits/re-enters the country on the 9th of April 2019 they will get stamped in until the 8th of April 2020 <- that gives them almost TWO years of stay out of a one year visa.

They are not showing proof of anything when they do this, they are NOT getting an extension at the immigration office, they are simply exiting/re-entering the country to get another year's admitted until stamp.
Marty ********
Marty ********
@Tod ********
perfect. As I said I will already have the thai bank account and will use that bank to pay local bills.

Thank you. You have left ‘no stone unturned’. I was in CM last August for 30 days. Lived in UDORN in ‘69-70 when active duty.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Marty *******
IF you are going to be on an O-A visa (that you get BEFORE you wing your way here from the thai consulate in your country) you will NOT have to start banking monthly income for your future yearly extension of stay until right around the time you bounce to get the second year on the visa. <- That's because you need to show 12 months of at least 65K baht a month in overseas transfers PRIOR to you applying for your yearly extension <- which you would do when you have 30 days or less left on the second year stamp.

So I'd say start bringing over the transfers around the 11th month of your time in country.

That means when you go for your extension you have a history of about 13 months of transfers to show which is more than the required 12.
Marty ********
Marty ********
@Tod ********
actually this last explanation made perfect sense to me. Yes, I understand the 90 day reporting. My plan it to get a bank account with the BKK bank in New York, then confirm its validity in BKK when I arrive on March 30. My question is do I have to start my 65K ‘proof of income’ deposit to my Thai bank account immediately to be ready for the future VISA 1 year extensions.
Biff *******
Biff *******
@Tod ********
sometimes it’s like herding cats.
Jason **********
Jason **********
So if I do the math, at 5% interest a year (can't count on it but a valid conservative estimate over the long run)
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0k thb or
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k dollars would yield 2500 usd biennially. That pays for the trips home every 2 years!
Jason **********
Jason **********
Paul *********
Paul *********
Absolutely the way to go.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
If he doesn't bring it into Thailand
@Pa**
, he can invest it in the US. The long-term average historical return of the S&P500 since it started 90 years ago is 10%.
James ********
James ********
Paul Jackson that is what Jason is saying...keep the $$ in the USA...earn higher interest and get the O-A every two years in the USA.
Paul *********
Paul *********
5% is I fear an overly conservative estimate for Thai banks. Last week I checked at BBL and the highest rate they offered was 1.625% on a fixed 9 month deposit - leaving 3 month for seasoning in an accessible account.

Would love to hear where you can get 5%.

On another note - using multiple OA visa's (every two years) you'd never need to have money in a Thai account, nor for that matter have to season money in an account - just have when applying.
James ********
James ********
Jason Moehring even now you can earn 2%+ annually via bank/credit union cd or 3-4-5 year annuity earns 3% to 4% both with no risk.
Keith *******
Keith *******
Jason, I am from the UK and have been through this process. Hopeful I am correct in saying, but you can get nearly two years out of your O-A visa before you have to meet the financial requirements in Thailand and have to apply for an extension of stay. Your original O-A visa will be valid for 1 year, (with 90 day reporting) and when you exit and re-entre the kingdom (before the use by date) you will receive another stamp for 1 more year, so therefore effectively you can get almost 2 years from your original visa. Not forgetting that if you leave the Kingdom in the second year you will need to get either a single or multiple re-entry permit.
Robert *******
Robert *******
OP
You can not leave the country without a re-entry stamp to keep this Extension of Stay alive and get the same day on return. You need to apply for a new Extension of Stay before this ones come to an end.
Robert *******
Robert *******
OP
@Richard ***************
So you do NOT have a Visa at all. An agent took care, you got the Non Immigrant O visa valid for 90 days of stay and after that an Extension of Stay valid for 1 year.
Richard ****************
Richard ****************
I had an agent take care of everything on arrival in August. Sorted Visa and bank account for me.

Visa started 28 th Aug 2018 and is valid until 21st Nov 2019 = 15 months give or take a few days.

I have done my 1st 90 day report without any problems at all.
Robert *******
Robert *******
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@Richard ***************
I never heard of a 15 month retirement O, but always learning here.
Richard ****************
Richard ****************
@Keith ******
I have a 15 month retirement O and been here for nearly 6 months. Would I also be able to do as you have done and get new stamp ?

Thank you
Tod *********
Tod *********
I am SO SORRY
@Ke***
:/ your explanation was totally on the mark and 100% correct.

I mis-remembered what you typed :O :/

That is the exact way to get two years of stay out of a one year O-A visa.

Please accept my apologies for speaking out of turn and saying you were wrong, I edited my earlier post already.

Sorry about that :(
Keith *******
Keith *******
@Tod ********
, sorry Tod, but what did I say that was incorrect? I was just trying to help and didn't intend to give any mis-information.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Keith ******
That is 100% correct :/
James ********
James ********
@Keith ******
or you return to your home country and do the same as original. Many have been doing this for many years. Now there is more reason to do it from home country.
Jason **********
Jason **********
appreciate the detailed help here
Robert *******
Robert *******
OP
The visa is multiple entry, so the first year you can travel when you like, but if you go out and back just before or on the valid until or enter before date on the visa to get a second year of stay, keep in mind that the visa is not valid anymore and if you like to travel during that year you need a re-entry permit to keep that year of stay alive.
Kay ********
Kay ********
@Robert ******
I am from germany, now is here my home. 7 year later we will see what the time make with feelings
Robert *******
Robert *******
OP
Yep Things can change in seven years. Funny part is I go home every day, as a non native English speaker I still can not get my head around why people calling home a place where they do not live and reside. LOL.
Kay ********
Kay ********
@Robert ******
it is not so bad to go home one time a year. Have family at home and it make my Assekuranz very easy.

But have to wait 7 years. Not know what immigration like to do until....
Robert *******
Robert *******
OP
As for your income questions: It is minimum 65.000 Thb coming in your Thai Bank account every month over a period of 12 months. You can not divide lumb soms coming in irregular to compare.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
Going forward you could start making your transfers monthly in 65,000 chunks.
Jason **********
Jason **********
thanks...thought so
Robert *******
Robert *******
OP
The 1 year Non Immigrant O-A (Long Stay) visa is valid for 1 year and on each entry you get 1 year of stay. If you get this visa close to your departure date, get into Thailand and than stay almost 1 year till the Enter Before or Valid Until date on the visa, Just before this date you leave Thailand and come back before or on this date you get 1 year of stay. This is the way to get almost 2 years of stay out of this visa.
James ********
James ********
@Jason *********
its the best way IMHO. Just got mine in Los Angeles in November. Simple and keep your $$ in USA.
Jason **********
Jason **********
Super...kind thanks
Robert *******
Robert *******
OP
Yes, land borders or international airports as long as you are before the valid until or enter before date mentioned on the visa.
Jason **********
Jason **********
Come back through any port of entry?

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