Can I meet the monthly income requirement for the O retirement visa extension directly, and what documentation is needed for income verification from rental properties?

Jun 22, 2021
3 years ago
John ********
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Two questions

When applying for first 12 month extension of O retirement visa can you go straight into the monthly income requirement of 67000 baht as opposed to the 800k baht lump sum and

If not in receipt of a pension government or otherwise but have more than the monthly requirement in the form of rents from investment property what documentation will satisfy immigration? A certified letter from managing agent as to monthly income with copy of lease to ingoing tenants? Any suggestions much appreciated
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TLDR : Answer Summary
This post discusses the requirements for extending an O retirement visa in Thailand, specifically regarding the option of meeting the income requirement through monthly deposits instead of a lump sum. It clarifies that immigration typically requires proof of a consistent monthly income in the form of bank deposits, rather than notarized letters or overseas rents. The conversation emphasizes that to meet the requirement, the full monthly amount must be deposited into a Thai bank account for twelve consecutive months, or it may be acceptable to show fewer months under certain circumstances.
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Joe ***********
The monthly income amount for "Retirement" is 65,000 each month - not 67,000 Baht each month.
Garrett ***********
Hello
Tod *********
As an aside. I know a person who worked in Cambodia for many years and still has a bank account there. He transfers in from that account 65K baht every month, then withdraws it as cash, goes and transfers it BACK to his cambodian bank account, and then transfers it back in to thailand next month. He's done that 2 years now and gotten his yearly extension without question each time just bouncing the money back and forth. The main account that shows the incoming transfers only show the money withdrawn as cash not any out going transfers.
Kool *******
Immigration will only accept monthly deposits into your personal Thai bank account. They do not care about rents you receive overseas. If the rents are from property in Thailand, then they might accept it if you are a registered Thai company, but that doesn't sound like the case. It sounds like you have your cash coming in from rents in your home country, and only want to withdraw what you need monthly from an ATM machine, and not bring the monthly requirement into a Thai bank account. Immigration will not accept any notarized letter from anyone designed to verify your income. All a notarized letter/document signifies is that you signed it. Not that it is truthful. That is why immigration quit accepting notarized letters from embassies, as they would not certify that the document was the truth. Notaries do not do that. All they do is verify that the signature is actually the same person that signed the document, and that is all it verifies.
Danny *******
67,000/month is 804,000 over a year. Why not save yourself a lot of trouble and just go with 800,000 in an account up front?
Jeff **********
@Danny ******
I don't know. I never tried to set it up for recurring deposits. You can check for yourself at the Wise website or on their app.
Tod *********
@Danny ******
the reason more and more people are switching from banked money method to the monthly income method IS

when you bank the 800K baht you need it in the account for 2 months before you apply, it has to stay in the account untouched for 3 months after you get the extension (so that's 5 months of locking that 800k down) and then the balance can't go below 400K baht the rest of the year (so in essence 400K is "frozen" always in the account)

the 65K baht a month transfer method has ZERO restrictions on the money and you can pull it out of the account the second it transfers in. The requirement is you show a minimum of 65K baht a month each month every month for the previous 12 months before you apply for your extension.
Danny *******
@Tod ********
Yea, I understand all that it just seems a lot more problematic and cumbersome. Will Immigration want something "certified" other than the bank statement? What are the costs of the monthly transfers? What if you cut it too close and the exchange rate catches you one month? And if you are a married couple like us you have to stay on top of this double. But I can see if you don't have 400,000 to set aside the monthly route is your only option.
Tod *********
@Danny ******
There is no "get close to the amount" rule, you either hit the minimum transfer requirement each and every month or you can't use the monthly income method.
Danny *******
@Tod ********
Exactly, and if the exchange rate drops a monthly transfer to 64,500 one month you are screwed.
Jeff **********
@Danny ******
if you use Wise to transfer the funds it asks you how many baht you want deposited, not how many dollars or other foreign currency you want to send. So there's no risk that the exchange rate will cause you to have a subpar deposit.
Danny *******
@Jeff *********
Can that be setup on an automatic monthly basis or do you have to do it every month yourself?
George *************
@Danny ******
I don't believe it can be automatic, but welcome anyone correcting me if I'm wrong.
Tod *********
@Danny ******
you are indeed ;)
Jeff **********
@Danny ******
one reason is because they don't care if you withdraw the money and use it in-between deposits.
Tod *********
IF you come from a country where the consulate here doesn't issue an affidavit of income from abroad notary (like the US, UK and Australia who all stopped issuing them at the end of 2018) and you still want to use monthly income method your only choice is to transfer 65K baht a month into a thai bank account in your name only each month, every month for the previous 12 months before you apply for your yearly extension.

I have never seen someone get a year extension by only showing a few months of incoming transfers, even if it's their first yearly extension. To my knowledge you need 12 months of transfers <- which is why everyone I know that gets their first year extension uses banked money method
Jeff **********
@Tod ********
I brought a copy of the regulations with me and showed it to them.
Jeff **********
@Tod ********
like I said, it worked for me in Krabi to show 2 months. They preferred 3, but they gave me a break, sort of. The OP should check with his immigration office about what's required at that particular location.
Tod *********
@Jeff *********
and while you said it worked you would be the ONLY person I know of out of HUNDREDS of people who have tried it, So I'm willing to write it off as a fluke (especially given how squirrelly those passport stamping, paper-pushing goof-balls at Krabi immigrations are)
Jeff **********
@Tod ********
@Tod ********
also there were extenuating circumstances relating to the pandemic that I don't want to get into. So I will stop haunting you on this issue.
Tod *********
@Jeff *********
believe it or not, it even states in the immigration regulations about monthly income method that you can have less than 12 months of transfers IF it's your very first extension but I've seen too many people knocked back trying it to ever recommend someone go that route. I mean if they don't do it, you're screwed because the chance of you getting the funds into the account for the requisite 2 months are slim to none IF you're denied monthly income method
Jeff **********
Immigration doesn't want proof of your income. They only want to see the deposits have been made into a Thai bank account. Most immigration offices want to see 12 months of deposits prior to the extension. Some may let you get away with just two or three months for the first extension. You would need to get a letter from the Thai bank certifying bank statements showing the deposits. If you don't have a few months of deposits at the time you need to get your extension it's not even worth trying.
Jeff **********
@Joe **********
yes, an important detail.
Joe ***********
@Jeff *********
Using Monthly Income to satisfy Thai Immigration (whether 40K baht marriage or 65K baht for retirement) Immigration DOES REQUIRE PROOF of Foreign Origin for the funds. It has to be an International funds Transfer Deposit into your bank account. With an FTT Embedded Code appearing in the BankBook update Printout. FTT = Foreign Telegraphic Transfer.
Sammy *******
@Joe **********
some immigration offices periodically ask for proof that the 65,000+ actually is a form of pension income-- I had to provide a document verifying that for one extension and then the next year, no mention of it. but, that is the way things go here, be prepared-- a new agent, supervisor, etc may put in new requirements not previously enforced at any given office at any given time, and then, just as quickly certain requirements are no longer required. TIT.

I understand that the SS admin readily has such documentation available for those that receive retirement income from them as do most other US govt agencies-- for private companies and other countries, not sure how easy to get. But, in my last extension it was not even mentioned, while the previous year's extension, such documentation was a "must-have".
Joe ***********
@Sammy ******
- I manage a Group of 1800 mostly men - many of whom have to document monthly income for marriage or retirement. It is the norm for Extension of Stay Applicants (whether Marriage or Retirement) to have to document Foreign Origin of monthly income

Yes some I/Os make up this bullshit about "Pension Income" proof. They do this only because they can - but it is still bullshit. I do not know of a single USA person who files non imm o "Retirement" who is required to supply a document proving "Retirement" from the Social Security Administration.
Sammy *******
@Joe **********
a few years in chiang mai I had to produce it. but, for my very last extension, not a mention of it-- we all know how fleeting these things can be, and too often the more one challenges or gets angry, it has potential to get words-- never know if an individual or an office comes up with the stuff. my extension is one thing I wont hassle over-- too important.
Steve *******
@Joe **********
The 40k a month for marriage doesnt require proof of foreign origin.
Joe ***********
@Steve ******
Yes it does - unless it is in country income from a Farang who has a Work Permit
Jeff **********
@Steve ******
okay, but the original post was about a retirement not a marriage situation.
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