Answered9 years ago
What are the requirements for obtaining an income affidavit for a 90-day Non-O visa and one-year extension in Thailand?
Hello, I have a few questions about the income affidavit for the 90 day non o visa and then get the one year extension. I was planning on going to Chonburi immigration in Jomtien, one user posted that he had an affidavit from his embassy already and immigration there wanted his us embassy signed income affidavit stamped by the thai foreign ministry in Bangkok. I have a us passport, am over 50.
My pension will be about 69,000 baht a month, but this is before taxes. I did not want to really leave 800,000 baht in a thai bank. I am guessing the amount after taxes have to meet the 60-65k baht requirement? Not the gross amount? Also, what would be the best way to go about getting the affidavit? I would like to bypass the police and medical requirement at us embassy. Would I still have to get the affidavit at us embassy and then get it stamped in Bangkok as Chonburi immigration does not accept affidavit from us embassy? I do have the combination of pension and funds to meet the 800,000 requirement. Thank so much for your advice!
My pension will be about 69,000 baht a month, but this is before taxes. I did not want to really leave 800,000 baht in a thai bank. I am guessing the amount after taxes have to meet the 60-65k baht requirement? Not the gross amount? Also, what would be the best way to go about getting the affidavit? I would like to bypass the police and medical requirement at us embassy. Would I still have to get the affidavit at us embassy and then get it stamped in Bangkok as Chonburi immigration does not accept affidavit from us embassy? I do have the combination of pension and funds to meet the 800,000 requirement. Thank so much for your advice!
Answer summary
The post discusses the process of obtaining an income affidavit necessary for applying for a 90-day Non-O visa and a subsequent one-year extension in Thailand. The author is seeking guidance on whether income figures should be before or after taxes and the necessity of getting the affidavit stamped by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA). Comments suggest that the MFA stamp is often required by immigration offices in Jomtien, and it's important to provide a notarized affidavit that accurately reflects the applicant's income. Community responses indicate that it is feasible to satisfy financial conditions either through a combination of pension and funds or by depositing a portion of the required amount in a Thai bank.
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Tod *********
You make an appointment at the US consulate in Bangkok here
Here's the income affidavit form
Once you get it from the US consulate you take it to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office out at the government complex on Chaengwattana Road to get their stamp on it.
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Here's the income affidavit form
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/05/income-verification-affidavit-bkk-0517.pdfOnce you get it from the US consulate you take it to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office out at the government complex on Chaengwattana Road to get their stamp on it.
Richard *********
OPthx tod, i appreciate all the information
Tod *********
@Ric****
, IF you are using the affidavit of income from abroad notary from your consulate to meet the financial requirements in Chonburi you definitely will want to get the MFA stamp on the back of it.Recent reports say it is required.at Jomtien immigrations.
Joe ***********
Immigration office dependent... Other comments speak to that
Jonathan *************
contradicts what you mentioned a few weeks ago i think, re "notarization" of consular documents. Not trying to nitpick, forgive me. Is this new? The UK consular letter of proof of income didn't/ doesn't (?) require the MFA stamp. Or is that immigration office dependent? Hua Hin didn't require it.
Richard *********
OP@Tod ********
ok, thx tod, i will plan to make appointment in bkk then in future,Tod *********
@Ric****
, umm you can't get the affidavit of income in the US. :/ You get it at the US consulate and there are no US consulates inside the USA.
Richard *********
OPtod, do you suggest i get the affidavit here in us(chicago), or just do it in bkk?
Richard *********
OPthanks tod daniels
Tod *********
when you fill out the affidavit of income from abroad at your consulate you always use BEFORE tax information for the amounts.
Richard *********
OPThank you everyone for all of your input on this, i appreciate it!
Joe ***********
The Applicant's signature is certified or the signature of the U. S. Embassy clerk on the document.
Joe ***********
I am not now contesting that,
But I do wonder if there have been forgeries of this affidavit and thus the MFA is checking Embassy staff signatures as well or maybe calling the U. S. Embassy to see if this document was in fact processed for the person presenting it.
But I do wonder if there have been forgeries of this affidavit and thus the MFA is checking Embassy staff signatures as well or maybe calling the U. S. Embassy to see if this document was in fact processed for the person presenting it.
Tod *********
And I am telling you there are a few immigration offices that require this additional stamp from the MFA when using a notarized income affidavit from your consulate?
Here's one of MANY topics on it
Here's one of MANY topics on it
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3-mfa-stamp-on-uk-embassy-income-letter/Tod *********
Okay, you can use the income affidavit letter to show the 65K baht per month required in Jomtien BUT you do need to go to the MFA office in Bangkok and get it stamped as a certified signature..
Unless I'm wrong the offices that require this are Jomtien, Korat and Nonthaburi. (I'll check on it though).
Once you get the notarized income affidavit from your consulate you take it to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office and get a stamp on it that looks like this;
Unless I'm wrong the offices that require this are Jomtien, Korat and Nonthaburi. (I'll check on it though).
Once you get the notarized income affidavit from your consulate you take it to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office and get a stamp on it that looks like this;
Joe ***********
The U. S. Embassy clerk does ask you if what you stated is true and warn you about making a false statement. But they do not check your income in any manner and do not certify it. They verify your ID with your passport. It is nothing more than a typical notarized statement. I've done this 3 times and know how it works.
Joe ***********
You download the form from the U. S. Embassy Bkk Website. Or get one at the Embassy Consular / Notary services as you go in. You put the monthly amount of money you receive from America from any source in U. S. Dollars equivalent to $65,000. Check the Thai Baht / USD exchange rate. You then swear this is true. The document often called an Embassy Income Affidavit is given a Raised Seal. Most Thai Immigration offices accept this document as your proof of income. Some few want bank records to prove your monthly deposit. Getting this stamped by some Thai foreign ministry IMO is just flat wrong - bad rumor.
Joe ***********
Good for the backlash
Tod *********
@J*
, for a year or so up in Nong Khai IF you used the income affidavit they made you sign a paper stating if you used the income affidavit next year you would also show 65K baht in withdrawals or money transfers a month.I think there was such back-lash that the officers just never pursued that hare-brained scheme.
here's a terrible scan of the form.
Joe ***********
I did refer to some comments that I have read. (over several years) that a few immigration officers have ask for financial proof over and above the Income Affidavit - this would have been an origination bank or funding source. Maybe this practice has died out as I have not read any like those I refer to in a year or more.
Tod *********
@K**
, I think that's up to the immigration office. I've used the income from abroad affidavit from the US consulate here in Bangkok every year for 9 years now and have never been asked to show a bankbook with "reasonable activity". :/ In fact I don't even have a bank account in this country :O
There is nothing in the immigration rules that state you need to bring in a single baht of the money you put on the income affidavit, nor is there anything in the rules about showing a bank account when you use the consulate income notary letter.
Joe ***********
I agree with you Ken. And so far as my comments I never said the 65K should be or have to be put in a bank account.
Ken *********
Just a small note: It's NOT a requirement to deposit the 65k baht a month into a Thai bank account to satisfy the income method for the type O based on retirement. In my experience, they do want to see a bankbook and a "reasonable" amount of recent activity and balance. Don't go in with 10 baht to your name.
Tod *********
@JD ******
, unfortunately you are incorrect in your assertion that the Jomtien Immigration office doesn't require an MFA stamp on the affidavit of income letter from a consulate. They do.
Ivan ************
I believe that if your income does fall short, you only need to put the difference in on deposit in a Thai bank, not the full 800,000. For example if you can show only 33,000 income you only need 400,000 in the bank, not the full 800k. If you did end up just under the 65k, my understanding is you would only have to put a relatively small amount on deposit to top it up.
Mark ********
Before taxes is ok!
Rob ******
I don't know about Chonburi not accepting documents from the US embassy, they should as that's one of the available options to show sufficient funds.
The affidavit itself is notarized. So in effect they are verifying that YOU are who you say you are. Much like any notary, they are not certifying that the document is true but rather certifying that your are who you say you are. I don't think the Thais know the difference between something being notarized and something being certified; the US Embassy won't certify anything, it's not a service that's offered. What that means is you could write an affidavit stating your income is 5m thb per month, and as long as your identity documents are in order they will notarize it.
The affidavit itself is notarized. So in effect they are verifying that YOU are who you say you are. Much like any notary, they are not certifying that the document is true but rather certifying that your are who you say you are. I don't think the Thais know the difference between something being notarized and something being certified; the US Embassy won't certify anything, it's not a service that's offered. What that means is you could write an affidavit stating your income is 5m thb per month, and as long as your identity documents are in order they will notarize it.
Reiner *********
No only 65.000 or 800.000 or the difference
Joe ***********
Wrong
Reiner *********
Well the 69.000 should be enough and it's unnormal that they want it signed from again
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Does your income come to thailand ? Or does it stay on a foreign bank account witch can give a second paper for it
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Does your income come to thailand ? Or does it stay on a foreign bank account witch can give a second paper for it
Reiner *********
PM me , witch one
Ken *********
@Reiner ********
I use an agent. No stress. It's lovely. I give them passport and they photocopy bankbook. They take picture. And that's it. They do all paperwork for me. No BS.Reiner *********
Thanx....I live here 12 Years now ...time is the most thing u need and be relaxed !
Ken *********
@Reiner ********
Picture of house is for extension. No problem. They want to see first page of bankbook only for extension. And they want to see ATM card. It's random and strange. Any IO can make up any rules. They could ask you to dance the moonwalk. You'll also need to verify your residence. It's not difficult. Youi'll need landlord's "blue book" and their ID card to get certificate of residence. Strange, right? They have non-Thai assistants during day hours at immigrations. They can provide a print-out sheet to assist you. I know it can be frustrating.
Expect to make a few trips, but stay chill and you'll succeed. Give yourself plenty of time. Don't wait until last minute! If you feel overwhelmed, get an agent. Pay and they deal with it all. Sometimes, it's worth it to save on stress and wasted time.
Reiner *********
Well KEN.....if u extend for example on phuket...then u have to deliver what they want....a friend have Been 4 Times in The office Till they have Been satisfied......a Picture of his house, he in front of ita handmade Plan where it is located , no google map print out ....and and and
Ken *********
@Reiner ********
Yes. I know him. They can ask for anything they want. Strong recommendation: Get the initial visa in Laos. And then only do the extensions in Phuket. You can avoid extra headaches this way. I know, I know. Laos is the way to go for the initial typo O visa. Ideally, they see 6 months of income deposited into a Thai bank account. Rules not written in stone. When I went, I showed them 6 months. Easy. No questions. Worst cas scenario in Laos, you get the tourist visa, then get an agent or lawyer to fix it for you and switch it over when you're back in country. I am not suggesting anything devious. :-) But, you'll probably get the Type O in Laos. Ideally, you make more than just 65k baht, get me? Laos will want to see a bankbook, but they do not bust balls.
Reiner *********
And I have seen some immigration officer here on phuket wanted to see the bank book and copies of all pages that show that in this example always the money has been on the account.....
Richard *********
OPKen Abelson thanks for the info ken, yes, i will also have a thai account with some funds in it to satisfy the requirement, just not 800,000 baht
Ken *********
Your income can come from anywhere (pension, investments, interest, passive income). If you are an American, all you need is an affidavit. Keep in mind that baht Vs USD conversion rate fluctuates. Right now, baht is very strong. Leave enough room that you are not cutting it too close. Make sure that there is a healthy margin. List currency in USD, not baht, on the affidavit.
There is a "combo" method available: This would be the amount sitting in a Thai bank for a few months (verified by official, notarized bank letter) added to your monthly income (affidavit). So, easy to satisfy this for most people. You don't have to keep funds in a Thai bank for the income method, but they want to see your bankbook and see some decent recent activity. You should have a Thai account for a few months at least.
There is a "combo" method available: This would be the amount sitting in a Thai bank for a few months (verified by official, notarized bank letter) added to your monthly income (affidavit). So, easy to satisfy this for most people. You don't have to keep funds in a Thai bank for the income method, but they want to see your bankbook and see some decent recent activity. You should have a Thai account for a few months at least.
Richard *********
OP@Reiner ********
pension funds would be in foreign bank here in the usRichard *********
OP@Reiner ********
retire in 5 months, I would think I will get pension documentation from company. Just looking least painful path to get affidavit to verify my income , was hoping could do in jomtien, but another member of group that had affidavit already was told had to get affidavit stamped in bkkReiner *********
Yes a Second paper Original with stamp
Michael ********
What would be the second paper from a foreign bank and what is the reason why it needs to be stamped by immigration. Maybe Tod has the answer for that.
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