How can I convert a tourist visa to a non-O retirement visa in Thailand?

July 12, 2024
2 months ago
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
I have just changed my tourist visa exempt to a non O retirement simply by meeting the criteria and I did it at the local immigration office. The staff as usual were great. I have attached a photo of how to do it and what criteria you have to meet. Don't know if this is a new thing or not.
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A user successfully converted their tourist visa exempt status to a Non-O retirement visa at a local immigration office by meeting the required criteria. Several comments discussed the conversion process, including questions about bank account requirements, the origins of funds needed for the retirement visa, and experiences at different immigration offices. Different users shared insights about procedures, timelines, and challenges associated with visa applications in Thailand.
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Darin ********
I went from 30 days visa exempt Australian. Then 30 extension then fly out of Thailand to Vietnam then 30 visa exempt and went to immigration two days later for 30 days extension which gave me the time to apply for retirement visa. First step 90 days retirement visa, 60 days later applied for 12 months extension three weeks later done
Otto *********
But Nong Bua Lamphu is not Pattaya and is not Bangkok!
Max *************
It's not a new thing. It's been possible to change from for example a 60 days tourist visa for many years. I did it myself many years ago.
David ****
Thx for the info. How were you able to satisfy requirement #9?

Rental agreement is easy but rental receipt for past 3 months? I assume you were on a 30 day visa exempt.
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
I just took my lady friend with her house book. The immigration officer knows us and knows I have been here for more than required.
Max *************
@David ***
He could have stayed in a condo as a tenant way before he applied for the 90 days Non-immigrant O Visa.
Brian **************
Bangkok Post says all new Visa Rules to go into effect Monday and to officially be in Royal Gazette
Robert ******
It looks simplified to me. Simpler than before. Am I wrong? No police report, no medical document...?
Darin ********
@Robert *****
most countries don’t need police report correct me if I’m wrong medical is still required if applying for retirement visa outside the kingdom, l apply for retirement visa in the kingdom and didn’t require proof of medical insurance which l have
Chris *******
@Robert *****
non-o 90 day does not require it.

OA 1 yr does.
Rene ********
What a good little boy you are
Kev **********
@Ga**
these are the benefits of using you Thai bank mate .

Eliminates the agent fees
Trevor ******
Am I reading correctly that this only lasts for 90 days?
Garrett ***********
@Tre***
The Initial Non-O visa is 90 days. Then you apply for a 1 year extension, every year.
Taz **********
Yes they do it not n one application, however it is actually 2 visa's that they do, look in your passport you will see the 90 day visa followed by the 12 month visa
Paul ********
@Garrett **********
That is not strictly true, I applied via an agent, and my first visa was for 15 months. A non-O visa obtained overseas is only 90days, which has to be converted to a 12 month visa in Thailand
Garrett ***********
@Paul *******
15 months, a 90 day and a 1 year extension....
Paul ********
@Garrett **********
Yes but mine was achieved in one application.
Trevor ******
@Garrett **********
ok thanks ... and do you just have to maintain that same bank balance of 800,000 baht every time you renew?
Garrett ***********
@Trevor *****
Simple answer is yes.
Trevor ******
@Garrett **********
thanks very much
Trevor ******
And why doesn't the online appointment booking thing work ... is there no way to do these things except to turn up in person and queue?
Galen *******
I did it successfully last year in february with TM 87. A very friendly officer helped me.
Darin ********
That is the first step you now have 90 day retirement visa non-0 before 08 October you need to do your 12 month extension on your retirement visa with regular 90 day report
Max *************
@Darin *******
When you can apply for the 1 year extension depends on the immigration office.
Darin ********
@Max ************
there is no rule of thumb in Thailand and everything is open to interpretation and regional, I use Buriram immigration and Jomtien immigration and found Buriram extremely helpful and very flexible compared to Jomtien manly due to the work load and stupid people not playing by the rules
Max *************
@Darin *******
He can apply for the 1 year extension after ~60 days.
Darin ********
@Max ************
yes he can and should start at the 50 day mark to allow for visa approval which takes around 3 weeks depending on the immigration office
Darin ********
@Max ************
true and to get a bank account you generally need 30 days plus on your visa for bank of Bangkok to issue a bank account and statement for your 12 month extension
Max *************
@Darin *******
Bangkok Bank, and yes, you need 30 days plus to be able to open a savings account there. I guess you mean the bank letter for the 1 year extension. Most immigration offices accepts copies from an updated bank book when using the "money in the bank-method". Meaning, no need for a bank statement.
Prince******
All of that just for 90 days?!! And you need 3 months of rental evidence when applying … so how was one supposed to rent for 90 days beforehand without the 90 day visa? A real chicken-and-egg visa! 😅
Wendy ***************
Thank you for the information.
Greta *****
Which immigration office was that done at?
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Greta ****
nong bua lamphu
Galen ******
Is there any instance whereby the funds for bank account balance for Non-O retirement or spouse visa do not need to originate outside of Thailand? Due to family health issues, I had lost my retirement visa status for 2023. Hopefully this year my account will have sufficient funding for retirement visa requirements. However the funds will come from my spouse who will receive a return on investments inside of Thailand. I’m thinking a spouse visa may be ok with money originating inside Thailand, but possibly not the retirement visa. Previously I had been on a Non-O retirement visa for 10 years. The yearly extension renewal, they only checked bank balance. Not once did they check where the money came from. This may vary based on location. Any info is appreciated.
Jenny ******
@Galen *****
my partner did not have the credit advice from the bank to show his money had come from overseas as I had transferred it from my bkk bank account. Immigration said they would not accept his documents but then made me confirm that we could not get the credit advice from the bank and did not have another 800,000 overseas to transfer. When I confirmed she said she’s “speak to her boss” and then said his visa will cost 11,000 bht instead of 2,000 bht! We had no choice but to pay. 🙁
Ken ***********
@Galen *****
I think it would be best that you contact your local immigration office since each offices interpret the rules differently.
Nongnuch ********
@Galen *****
you will need to apply for the inital 90-days Non-Imm-O retirement visa in your home country or in any neighbouring country. You can use your Thai bank account as proof of finances for the visa application. Then enter Thailand, and as soon as 30 days are left on your entry stamp, apply for the "1-year extension of stay based on retirement". No proof that the 800.000.- THB came from abroad is needed for this application! That proof is only needed when applying for the change from a tourist visa to a 90-days Non-O visa inside Thailand
Steve *******
@Galen *****
Yes. In your home Country
Chris *******
@Galen *****
for the initial 90 fay non-o the funds must originate from outside Thailand.

For the extensions it is only required that the money be here.

This is how most offices interpret and enforce the rules.

Some offices will implement differently.
Galen ******
@Chris ******
Thanks, I'm currently on Non - O dependant one year multiple entry. I applied for this at Suvannakhet about 10 months ago. I will make one more border run to get a new 90 day stamp in a few weeks time. I am hopeful to do the one year extension during this new 90 day period. I want to go with the retirement visa if I can. My wife is currently being treated for cancer so she is in no condition to help me with the spouse requirements. Never a dull moment.
Nick ************
@Galen *****
your bank statements indicate where the money comes from and also in your bank book of which a copy is required.
Galen ******
Prior to using Wise, I simply would draw money with debit card at a Kasikorn ATM from my bank in American. Not very economical but it was the only option I had. In these instances, my Kasikorn statement showed cash deposit only. Immigration did not question this. I did this for about 4 years. In the early days the US Embassy would issue guarantees for Immigration, much easier .
Graham ******
@Galen *****
The international transfer was not a requirement some years ago
Ash ***********
Interesting 👍😊
Michael **************
Thanks
Corey ********
Thank you for this important info.
Gary **********
That's great you can do that now ..well-done
Jay ***********
And you already had a Thai bank account ?
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Steven *****
Once an account is opened, regardless of your visa status, it will be kept open or is there a standard policy to freeze the account if you don't provide update to date visas for the bank.
Jay ***********
@Steven ****
Once opened you shouldn't have any problem . I never have
Jay ***********
@Philip ******
That’s a huge advantage over others that do not . Almost impossible to open bank account on tourist visa these days .
Nongnuch ********
@Jay **********
it's not impossible, there are agents in Pattaya who will open a Bangkok Bank account in your sole name on ANY visa (and even on visa-exempt!) for a 5000.- THB fee
Jay ***********
@Nongnuch *******
BUT impossible to do on your own . I opened several accounts over the years on tourist visas but not possible now . My mother moved here 11 months ago and had to get an agent as well
Stephan ***********
@Jay **********
Yep, it's not impossible but also not that easy anymore. And if nothing else works... there are agents... they can do "magic"... 😁
Matteo ***********
We can't read that document. Why don't you upload it somewhere and stick a link to it here
Troy ******
@Matteo **********
Why don't you go online and get it yourself. Too many lazy people
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Matteo **********
you can get the info from any immigration office. I got it from division 1 in Bangkok. Just drop them an email and they will send you the link.
Matteo ***********
Thank you guys you're all wannabe engineers these days. Thanks Emmit Jones I appreciate that
Nongnuch ********
@Matteo **********
you can open the original .pdf for yourself when you click onto number 9 on this Immigration website
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Stephan ***********
@Matteo **********
You might have a look here... it's basically the same everywhere, but always check your local Immigration for the details.

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Ron ********
@Stephan **********
Thanks for that. As you mentioned, each IO is different. One important aspect regarding the Jomtien IO is those birds require the 800K to be seasoned for the 60 days when you make the initial application for a change to a Non-O.....,...not when you apply for the one- year extension. You would not believe the physical & financial grief that particular point has cost me. I would had simply moved to Phuket to circumvent their cock-eyed rule, but I had just had double total knee replacement and was/am having a troubled extended recovery and serious immobility.

Out of that my doctor requested a total of 180 days medical extension (2 X 90). All Jomtien gave me out of those 2 request was 30 days. Take my lesson to heart and do not dare to get medical work done within their district that would require a medical extension and involve immobility. Rant over.
Stephan ***********
@Ron *******
Oh my... heard many stories about Jomtien already... seems to be not the easiest Immigration in the country...
Ron ********
@Stephan **********
Right you are! I sure did not intend to wind up here for my convalescence, but several factors came togather for it to work out that way. Hopefully in the 1 to 2 month time frame I can scat outa here and head towards Phuket with a few stops along the way.
Stephan ***********
@Ron *******
Phuket is definitely one of the easiest spots when it's about immigration things.
Ron ********
@Stephan **********
That is good information Sir, thank you! I don't even like Pattaya worth a darn, but at least I found me a very comfortable large apartment on the east side run by a fine English gentleman for 8K a month.
Stephan ***********
@Ron *******
Yeah... talking about the living expenses then Pattaya is clearly cheaper than Phuket. And for the Immigration... well... there must be a reason why there are so many agents in Pattaya... 😁
Ron ********
@Stephan **********
Yes, Phuket sure is pricier than Pattaya. Ha! Yes, you have a point in regards to the Jomtien IO and agents in this city. They carpet the city.

I liked living in Jomtien beach OK, but the prices of a decent sized condo was a bit much. I could not take living in a 28 sq meter shoebox, especially with a Thai GF also.
Emmit *******
@Matteo **********
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/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf

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John ********
@Matteo **********
personal problem the file is readable
Todd *********
@Matteo **********
only if you don't know how to zoom. If you have a child in the house, have them teach you
Stephan ***********
@Todd ********
Good one... 😁
Tim *******
@Matteo **********
Double tap and zoom.
Tyler *******
Wish it was possible to go from tourist to non-b 😅
Nongnuch ********
@Tyler ******
and
@Corey *******
to reply to your querry, YES you can change from a tourist visa or a visa-exempt, to a Non-Imm-B on Immigration. Pick the number 1 on this Immigration website
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Corey ********
@Nongnuch *******
Excellent 😀
Corey ********
@Tyler ******
Can we change a visa exempt into a Non-B @ Bangkok immigration ?
Neil ******
@Tyler ******
during Covid it was. The Phuket immigration office was not requiring exits and re-entry for non-B. A lot of people benefitted from that.
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