Can a foreigner drive a Saleng in Thailand with a motorcycle license?

Oct 15, 2024
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Jay *******
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Driving a Saleng.

Can anyone advise me whether a foreigner obtaining a regular Thai motorcycle driving licence qualifies the individual to drive a saleng?

Reason I ask is that I know in Thailand it’s the vehicle, rather than the driver, which is insured.

Consequently, I know I can drive a borrowed car with a Thai driving licence (or IDP for the first three months) and I can drive a borrowed motorcycle with a Thai motorcycle licence.

I’m told a foreigner cannot drive a Songthaew (Baht-Bus) and am wondering if the same applies to a saleng (as well as a tuk-tuk).

I have access to cars, motorcycles and a saleng owned by the Thai extended family I am staying with.

Any experienced advice would be gratefully received.
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This discussion revolves around whether a foreigner can drive a Saleng in Thailand with a regular motorcycle driving license. Participants address the legal implications, insurance concerns, and general driving practices for foreigners. While some argue that technically Salengs and their sidecars may not be fully legal and could pose insurance challenges in case of accidents, many have shared experiences of driving them without issues, especially in rural areas. The conversation highlights uncertainties surrounding legality, practical consequences of driving such vehicles, and general observations about the driving culture in Thailand.
Clare ***********
Never been a problem, using a samlor/saleng for more than 20 years. A bit of a pain to have to remove the samlor from the motorbike for yearly insurance/test, putting jack connections on the wiring between the bike and samlor helps. No special insurance required.
Per-Olof ************
My advice is, don't try to be a thai , you will never qualifiy even with thai passport.
Robert **********
As a farang you can drive whatever you want. But if you are involved in an accident you will be in the wrong. Insurance will mean diddly squat. Worthless. If you have not driven on the roads here then you need to be extremely careful when you do.
Jo ****
As the sidecar has to be removed for the MOT and there's no MOT for the sidecar l would also say they are not legal.
Pygo ********
I'm visiting again this November, I think I'd feel safer on a saleng than I did on a scooter in Pattaya!
Guido **********
mine is for rent in excellent condition , and of course with new tax and Insurance...in pattaya
Andy ******
I have driven the wife's uncles Saleng in front of the police and they never said a thing but that was in Issan in a rural village
Tony **********
They are a death trap for the inexperienced .PRACTICE HAND TURNS AND YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I MEAN .
Andy **********
Where are you in Thailand?? If it's rural nobody cares, just be prepared to pay for any damage if an accident is your fault, to many people commenting thinking it's the same rules as their home country.
Phil ***********
i dont think anyone is 'allowed' to ride one. where i live if you can build it you can drive it ;)
Ricky ********
When I rent cars I am the only driver that is covered.
Nigel **********
The last I heard salangs were illegal so insurance isn’t possible
Jo **********
@Nigel *********
B.S. I filed a claim was paid no license, no registration. Paid in full.
Jorge ****
I've been renewing my vehicles registration for >20 yrs now and have *never* seen one of these at the Dept or Land Transport, or the vehicle inspection shops. I heard that these are not "legal", but then TIT...
Wolfgang *******
It's for all illegal. Or you think anyone have a driver license for the 3 wheels ? It's same like Tuk Tuk

If you drive .. own risk
John *********
FFS man. You really wonder if you're insured on one of those?! Maybe you're on the wrong country
Richard *****
Go to the. Local license office to get the ‘real’ answer!
Ken ********
I would imagine if, any of these have insurance, it would be the government part, which I believe comes with what we would call a tax disc. Not sure what it covers though, 3rd party of whatever.

Maybe someone will give you the answer
Jo **********
haha I have two of these. I don’t even have a Thais driver license and have been driving them for 8 years. police don’t care
Pygo ********
@Jo *********
the police in Pattaya care if Farangs ride without helmets...helps them build up their salary
Brandon ************
@Jo *********
the question isn't about the police. The police don't care about anything. The question is about legality/insurance
Jo **********
@Brandon ***********
but my insurance is from the Netherlands everything is covered with or without license.
Brandon ************
@Jo *********
Yeah but this question is about insuring a Thai vehicle in Thailand, not foreign insurance
Jo **********
@Brandon ***********
the wording of the question is not efficient or clear. Yes you helped clarify- so thank you
John ********
@Brandon ***********
until you just posted and made them aware.....
Jo **********
@John *******
I am so gassy
Jo **********
@Brandon ***********
ok ✅ point taken.
Steve **********
I cannot imagine why any foreigner would be in one of these death traps.

It provides no advantage over a car. You’ll still be stuck in traffic, cannot maneuver around anything and now you get the bonus of eating all the diesel smog and sweating your balls off.

Just get a car.
Michael *********
No. It’s a modified vehicle with no insurance.
Stevan ***********
I have one use it all the time just in my local area
Frankie *******
Maybe u can drive that in pattayya but not in bangkok
Kevin *******
I am currently renting one for a week because we had similar thoughts before finding out how dangerous they are. I wouldn't reccomended it. They take some strength to drive and are very uncomfortable for passengers, especially any bumps. If you want to test drive one for yourself contact Mr. Thor Rentals. I return it tomorrow.

Mad respect for these little Thai women driving these things. 💪 💪
Simon ********
Where are the airbags ?🤣🤣🤣
Cris ******
Technically side cars are illegal.
Lye **********
Problem with the authority, probably can be solved with some baht but insurance company would probably not cover you if anything happen.
Maggie *********
Luv it that’s what I need when I move there
Jay *******
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@Maggie ********
Have also seen plenty of these and there's even versions that have two wheels at the front and one at the rear....
Sue **********
@Jay ******
These are not Salengs and if they are not used/registered officially for public transport like taxis or tuktuks at DLT they don‘t even get plates and then not insured 🤷🏻‍♀️
Jay *******
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@Sue *********
I didn't say the above post image, to which you are responding, is a saleng. I was simply offering up alternatives to
@Maggie ********
. Please pay attention.
Maggie *********
@Jay ******
still would have that one to luv it
Andy ********
I was told that these are not even legal despite there being many 1,000s on the road. When the bike needs a test they have to remove the sidecar and test it as a stand alone bike. probably most aren't even tested
Janin ******
@Andy *******
I ask a policeman, and he said..not legal. But they tolerate them because of the lack of a car for Thai people. But, yes but, if you have an accident, you are not insured…because for the law it’s illegal!
Jo **********
@Andy *******
not true there are 100,000 plus of these in the North. Mine is certified with license
Andy ********
@Jo *********
First thing first. No car or motorcycle has a license that's for the driver or rider. I know there are many of these in Thailand but hoq many legal!!. yours seems to have got tax with the chair attached. Many people have told me (as others on here agree), that they are not actually legal. I don't have one so can't be sure but do note that are not mentioned on Thai driving licences.
Jo **********
@Andy *******
don’t disagree with you!
Perry *******
Ridez 4 kicks... you tuber just had one built..

I think one of his videos tslks about that but you can ask him.
Jay *******
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@Perry ******
Nice 1. Thanks for the heads-up.
Bill ********
I have seen farangs driving these saléngs in smaller cities

Not Bkk or Pattaya

Thai drivers license required

Make sure it is Insured before driving

They are fun to drive
Sue **********
@Bill *******
Which insurance co would insure salengs? I was told no insurance for them
Crystle ********
the Makro-moto! for the bulk grocery purchases
Peter *******
Potential issue unless both motorbike and side car is registered together, but I've not heard of anyone being fined for it
Tohksic ******
Salengs are technically not even legal country-wide unless the side car add-on is specifically registered (99.9% are not).
David **********
No special license required
Jo **********
Steve *******
You can't work as a songteaw driver, but is there really a law stopping you from driving a pickup truck?
Lewis ********
Worst case scenario the police stop you which is highly unlikely unless it’s a checkpoint, you pay a 500 baht fine and drive away. Kap Khun Krap!
Jay *******
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@Lewis *******
Yeah, but it's not only the legality, it's the insurance cover I'm concerned about.
Brian ********
@Jay ******
My motorbike insurance specifies no attachments to the bike, so you will probably find that they uninsurable

That being said, it does not appear to stop the locals from riding them. There are hundreds of them here.
David ********
@Brian *******
correct and if you have an accident with them forget about any claim from them you have to cover yourself. They will initially try to get you to cover them but if you ask for there registration paper they will back off and the police will support you
Steve ********
@Brian *******
That’s the crux of the matter, if you have extra insurance, that you take out, rather than just the compulsory insurance, which you get when you tax the motorcycle. I am not sure what that says. It’s something I would check.
Brian ********
@St***
Both my bikes are new so I have class 1 insurance, not just the government minimum. And it is on the policy that attachments are not permitted
Carrie ******
@Jay ******
I would worry about that, as others have mentioned I don't think they are a very legal vehicle, so if the insurance knew that it was altered in anyway, such as a saleng is, then you probably wouldn't be covered.

I would speak with your insurance company as this could differ, but part of me doubts that 😂
David ********
@Carrie *****
usually your insurance will state motorcycle to a specific cc like 125 cc something like that. This is usually not followed by some people as they want to ride bigger bikes and insurance won't cover them when the police make a report
Jay *******
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@David *******
The Honda Dream MC is only 90cc and I understand a Thai licence covers at least up to 125cc (maybe more) so it's not so much the bike as the "sidecar" which is the issue, here.
David ********
@Jay ******
I am talking about the insurance company that you insure with that's the issue if you have an accident . Thai motorbike licence is not relevant to this as it is any motorcycle there is no cc restrictions.
Jay *******
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@David *******
I hate to risk being considered a pedant, but you're the one who raised the potential issue (or otherwise) of the motorcycle engine's cubic capacity..... remember (it was only two posts ago)?
David ********
@Jay ******
your obviously confused. There is a difference between insurance cc and Thai licence. I know what l said you read it again. The post was questioning if they would be insured. The slaing if it has its registration covered correctly then it is roadworthy. This doesn't mean their insurance covers it in an accident for full comprehensive cover
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