What should I know about getting a COVID extension at Chiang Mai Immigration?

Mar 22, 2022
3 years ago
Garrett ***********
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Covid Extension Report: Chiang Mai Immigration – Threatened by immigration officer to have police called.

*Preface – A good lesson in self advocacy and why you should never go into something blind.*

So about 2 weeks ago I went to immigration for another covid extension. After January 25th, covid extensions are starting from the day you apply not added onto you stay, which I was informed by the IO and she recommend I come back closer to March 25th so I wouldn’t lose days. I agreed with her and left.

Today I showed up about 7:45am, got que number 16, sat and waited. They started document check at 8am today since there were a ton of people. I was initially on a visa exempt entry and now the covid extensions. While waiting, the immigration officer looked at my packet and said,

“ok, after January 25th you can only get 7 days.”

I replied sorry, that’s not correct. That only applies to people who were on Non immigrant visas.

He turned to a group of foreigners and said, “this guy thinks he knows everything, he’ll see.”

So 5 minutes later I made it to the table, the volunteer looked at my paperwork and said, “you need a letter from you embassy.” I laughed and said what? That hasn’t been a requirement for over a year. She asked the IO, he told her I can only get 7 days. I said just give me the que number, I will deal with the 7 days inside. Got my number and waited inline.

So 20 minutes go by, my time comes and the IO who is always outside went inside behind the desk and called me over. He looks through my packet and said ok, you can only have 7 days. I said that’s not true. He folded my paper back, handed me a pen and said write here you only need 7 days.

I said NO and pointed to the sign on the wall (as shown below). I am not writing anything, I want to speak to your supervisor. He replied, “I am a supervisor.” I replied no you aren’t, I want to speak to your supervisor. “Ok, go sit down. “

I knew if I went and sat down, I’d sit there and wait all day. I said no, I’m going to wait right here until you call your supervisor.

His response (he was visibly upset), “If you don’t sit down I will call the Police and the US consulate.” I laughed because at this point I knew he was bluffing and doing whatever he could to not let me reach his supervisor. I told him to call whoever he wanted to, I’m going to wait right here until I speak to your supervisor, you’re a government officer, you’ve given false information a multitude of times, you’ve acted rude and unprofessionally and I’m going to make a complaint.

He walked away, I tried with 3 other officers, none would leave their seats. Eventually a younger officer called me over. He asked what he could do for me. I very calmly told him what happened, handed him my passport and application packet. He said, “hm, it does appear you are eligible for the covid extension. The 7 days and the embassy letter are only for people who are not eligible for the covid extension. There must have been a miscommunication between you and the other officer. Her is your ticket number, sorry for the inconvenience.”

Waited 30 minutes, got my covid extension (15 day under consideration stamp) and off I went. I reached out to a few people I know, was encouraged not to make any official complaint, and I agree that probably wouldn’t be in my best interest moving forward. I left an unofficial complaint and went about my day.

All in all I arrived at 7:45, got que number 16, and didn’t leave until 10am. Chiang Mai immigration is so unbelievably slow compared to Bangkok or Phuket. I’ve really never seen anyone move so slowly as a group like these people move. Past experiences found CM immigration polite and friendly, unfortunately that was not the case today.

Most important thing I took away from this is when you know you’re right, stand your ground. No one in this world is going to advocate for you more than you. Go into any situation as prepared as you can, knowledge is power.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A user shared their frustrating experience at Chiang Mai Immigration while applying for a COVID visa extension. They initially received conflicting information about their eligibility, leading to a heated exchange with an immigration officer. Notably, post-January 25th, COVID extensions must start from the application date, rather than adding to previous stays. After standing firm and insisting on speaking with a supervisor, the user ultimately received the correct extension. The post highlights the importance of being informed and assertive in dealings with immigration officials.
Marc *******
Garrett 4 president.
Thomas *************
This is a Thailand classic. There is no tourist friendly immigration office, period.., there are only tourist friendly IMOs. So you had a very unlucky day and I had one such unfriendly IMO guy in Surin before. When I saw him leave the office I approached the other folks and they gave my extension promptly.
Paul ********
@Gar****
I went to Bangkok Immigration (near Impact Arena) on Wednesday. I have been trapped here since March 2020, done multiple Covid Extensions, so I understand the process.

The last one was done after the change in Rules on 25th January, so the fact I got the extension then, should mean the application is based on the same conditions now. I went knowing that in all likelihood new rules could change after tomorrow, 25th March.

When I got there all the documents to fill out had been left in the form filling room. I thought it was at the time strange they had lots of all the forms, but there were only 3 forms.

Filled all in and waited in line realizing they would say one of the documents was missing, but assumed everyone would have told them that. The form that was missing was the Affidavit for Covid. They were then only issuing that to people they felt complied with "their" version of the rules.

My current extension expires on the 24th of April, the rules always have been that we could renew 45 days prior to the current expiry. I have always done this early including the last visa.

They now tried telling me I could not apply for the new extension until 7-14 days prior to the current expiry. I at the time could not find copies of the last announcement, and they just kept repeating the same thing.

I did ask to see a supervisor but clearly was not forceful enough, as the best I got was a badged police officer that just parroted what the immigration official was saying.

In any event, they were treating many farangs I observed very poorly. My belief is the extension will be renewed for another few months at least, in any event.

I am seeking to travel to China to rejoin my wife, there are no flights to anywhere in China commercially for the next 2 months, from my checking.

Not sure whether to waste another day tomorrow going back and being a little more persuasive, or just roll the dice on a further extension of current conditions!

Any suggestions? I still can not lay my hands on the last orders (Royal Gazette) from January stating that renewal of the extensions could be done 45 days prior to the current expiry.
Tod *********
@Paul *******
there never was a police order stating you can get an extension when you have 45 days or less left on your current stamp. It is totally office specific, Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Buriram and I think one in the south all run under the 45 days or less rule, Most of the rest are 30 days or less, and Jomtien is the outlier that says come back when you have less than a week left 😛
Paul ********
@T**
I have been for the last 17 months been doing this through Bangkok, as mentioned in the post. You are correct, here they have allowed 45 days prior to the current extension expiring, getting an additional one added. Where the added 60 days was taken as added to the current expiry date. So 2 things apparently have changed, they now suggest the application can only be made 7-14 days prior to current expiry, further to that the new 60 days commence from the new application date.
Tod *********
@Paul *******
it's so hit or miss, two people applied for covid extensions at MTT BOTH had been on covid extensions (so getting another extension for the same reason) ONE got the 60 days added to their current expiration date, the other one got the 60 day extension but it started the day they applied AND what was strange is they both have the same entry date, extension dates, everything they are husband and wife. It was the strangest thing I have ever seen.
Nigel *********
Paul Hudson remember to slam your first on the table and remind them that you pay their wages, always goes down well.
Garrett ***********
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@Pa**
Sorry to hear your predicament Paul. Even with my extension, my stamp expired April 11th, but this round of covid extension started the day you applied, so I lost about 2 weeks. This seems to be consistent with the other reports of people I'm reading too.

The new orders from 25th of January give discretion on how each office applies it, and when the extension starts seems to be the area where the greatest discretion is being exercised.

For all extensions, Bangkok allows you to apply for an extension up to 45 days before your stay. You still should have been able to apply for an extension, but it would start from when you apply, so you'd loose a whole month. Do you have any marriage documents for China? If so, you could see if the Chinese embassy would issue you a letter that you cannot travel to China, might be worth a shot.
Paul ********
@Gar****
, I appreciate your feedback. Guess we will see what lucky straw is pulled tomorrow, to determine the new rules or orders moving forward.

Think most people realize finally, none of any of these actions over the last 2 years has been based on actual "science"!

Too many people🐑🐑 happy to follow an opinion of a "scientist", that you are not permitted to question, or request something that could resemble evidence to their opinion!

I will look into your suggestion in relation to the Chinese Embassy, and a letter of support. I can show clearly no flights are commercially available with screenshots for travel to China.
Maarten ****
Maybe u hand them some cash and whole story will change. They only work for money
Michael ********
I got my Covid extension a few days ago . I just gave them my passport and a copy of a prepaid lease on a room for thirty days , no letter from the embassy or proof of insurance , was easy.
Chris ******
Man who cares. This is Thailand. Not America
Ezio ********
I love Thailand but all the visa stuff are pain in the ass and lot of stress. I want to come back but also don't want to deal with that anymore. Easiet solution will be Elite visa but it's complete rip off
Carlos *********
Vietnam is a good alternative. I agree, Thailand is difficult.
Brahim ******
This is what made me leave Thailand in the first place. Those IO who talk to you like you were garbage.
Dick **********
I am intrigued as to what your reasoning for a covid extension?
Carlos *********
Dick stay in the country.
Garrett ***********
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@Di**
Because it's cheap.
Chris **********
@Gar****
, you got lucky this time. Residing in a foreign country is a privilege, not a right & they do have the right to refuse you entry or a stay permit based on their discretion (that's the ugly fine print).

Knowing the rules/regs and how they are implemented are two very different things here.
Maxim ***********
@Chris *********
I agree about ruling and implementation being inconsistent. BUT... in a situation like the one Garrett was in, he handle it the way I would and I've been in Thailand for a very long time. This is the kind of "grinding mentality" that you need in Thai hospital, immigration, police checkpoint, etc.
Mayo **************
FYI, anywhere you go in the world, it’s not YOU who decide whether you can stay in a foreign country or not. Even if it’s stated in their website or office, or anywhere, the decision lies to the person deciding for your stay. You showed some “I know” attitude to them. They can actually call the police and your embassy. You can be deported. Don’t ever think that this is just Thailand and because you are from the USA.

Maybe you don’t KNOW how even more complicated and scary talking to your own USA embassies or consulate. Worst is getting a US visa. So be thankful you can even enter Thailand with a visa exemption. Thai people cannot even go to the US easily.
Rick ********
@Mayo *************
Amen to that.

Some people have no concept of respect or when to keep their month shut.
Maxim ***********
@Mayo *************
You don't have any experience dealing with Thai hospital staff, immigration, and police, and it shows. I have dealt with similar situations the way Garrett did and always ended well (even once at the freaking Poi Pet border, the worse border you can think of). There is no such thing as calling the police, they never do it, it's an empty threat always.
Mayo **************
@Maxim **********
and yeah, you always assume that you all know everything. You don’t even know me.
Maxim ***********
Or by the look of some of your comments, a Thai local who think corruption is not a thing in Thailand, LOL.
Maxim ***********
@Mayo *************
You are a typical angry old foreigner who is mad at the entire world. Suck it up. You are not the center of the universe.
Mayo **************
@Maxim **********
you are all complaining so much, yet you all are spending time here. Why don’t you all go somewhere or go back to your home countries. Gosh, how simple is that.
Garrett ***********
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@Ma**
Well based on the outcome of the event, I'd say I correct in my understanding of the immigration regulations governing my ability to reside in Thailand, and you are wrong. I'm curious, what is it that you think the US embassy would do?
Mayo **************
@Garrett **********
I dare you try to argue or show this same attitude at your embassy here the same way you argue with Thai officers. Or try this in other first world countries. Sorry but I find this an act of self-entitlement.
Mayo **************
@Joshua ************
wow, you’re suddenly jumping into labelling people as xenophobic. Typical to where you are from. If you don’t like the system here, why are you still here? Go back to North America. Hahaha!
Mayo **************
@Garrett **********
try reading your own government immigration website. I know coz I’ve applied for a USA visa before. I’ve even entered one of your overseas missions. USA treats non-Americans as criminals or terrorists. They are even hard to their own citizens.
Mayo **************
I am not wrong to say you have no right to decide. They gave you CHANCE to stay. It’s not a RIGHT. Maybe you can check your own USA immigration website if foreigner has a RIGHT for themselves. In reality, you don’t have the RIGHT. You are BEGGING for entry in foreign territories. Stop pretending you don’t know this.
Steve **********
Wow, good job standing your ground! I'm getting the boot for having a previous business visa
Garrett ***********
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@St***
Thanks man, sorry to hear that bro. Have you looked at transitioning to an ED visa or something in country?
Steve **********
@Garrett **********
Yeah, everyone who knows anything says I have to leave first and re-enter... due to time constraints
Ryan ******
Why are you still on a Covid Extension?
Garrett ***********
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@Ryan *****
It's cheap. Why aren't you a lawyer yet?
Ryan ******
@Garrett **********
What did you think I do? How long are you staying anyways, I would have put 100THB you would be back somewhere in Central or South America? Coming to Bangkok?
Garrett ***********
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@Ryan *****
Lol it was a hard choice man, I still miss Bogota but I'm getting settled here. Life is easy here man, it's hard to leave that. I'm still back and forth between where I want to be, Chiang Mai or BKK. Been in CNX since September and I like it, but I miss Bangkok a bit from time to time.
Maxim ***********
@Garrett **********
BKK is a shithole, lol!
Ryan ******
@Garrett **********
I think there is better for living.
Jared **********
@Ryan *****
the Covid extensions are a reasonable solution to the stupid problem has about how to stay for more then 90 days in Thailand. Plenty of people not “abusing” them that are happy to get a couple extra months.
Ryan ******
@Jared *********
I am just joking with my friend. Take it easy....
Mike *******
All I got from this is, the admin of a thai group is not even on long term visa.
@Garrett **********
you sneaky devil!!!
Dana *******
Cultural clash...
David *******
@Dana ******
rubbish, they use that as excuse
Daniele ********
how nice it would be if they went back to the rice fields
Edgar ************
I massively respect you for standing your ground. I personally dont have the time nor energy to deal with these peasants. I pay my agent to deal with it, but I'm glad to hear you showed them some justice.

Lying dishonest people is one thing that sours the Thailand experience, I do my best to avoid/dismiss it but you did well to confront it. Thanks for the report.
Garrett ***********
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@Jos***
Appreciate it mate
Mayo **************
@Joshua ************
😱 i hope you don’t live here.
Mayo **************
@Joshua ************
wow! You call the Thai people “peasants”.
Edgar ************
@Mayo *************
I call dishonest liars peasants. I love Thai people.
Mayo **************
Shame for an Australian to be enjoying travelling to Thailand (enjoying it as a cheap destination) and calling its people peasants. Worst, it’s the immigration officers being targeted.
Braulio *********
Without intending to offend the OP, his tactic is not the best way to do business in Thailand. Be calm , smile, talk things over and never make the official loose face.
Maxim ***********
@Braulio ********
This is factually incorrect. The best way is almost always to stand your ground the way he did. I speak from experience. It will very rarely end well if you show weakness.
Garrett ***********
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@Bra****
I hate making a scene and challenging people, unfortunately I didn't see any other options at this point. He knew he was wrong, that's why he wouldn't let me speak to a supervisor. If I hadn't had made a point, I wouldn't have been able to get an extension.
John **********
@Garrett **********
it's one thing challenging them it's another to laugh at them. That's the most likely reason he didn't want you speaking to a supervisor.
John *******
@Garrett **********
Indeed. There are times when ‘mai pen rai’ and a smile is trumped by ‘show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser’.
Brandon ************
You're lucky, because you don't have any rights in this matter. The law clearly says this extension is at the discretion of immigration (as are ALL extensions, but it's emphasized in the Covid extension order), so they're 100% within their right to deny your application. Of course you're also within your right to ask to speak to a supervisor, but it could have ended worse than it did.

Chiang Mai definitely seems to have gone rogue on this with the whole only getting extension from the day of application every time and other things.
Garrett ***********
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While I read the notice and saw that, I don't think that's actually the case. Similar to entering the country, officers have limited discretion and have to follow the policies set forth to them. That's why people are most commonly refused entry for lack of financial proof, not because the IO just doesn't like them.

I believe in practice the actual discretion that's referenced in the orders is to the immigration office so the chief can set particular requirements, not the individual officer.
Ray ***********
Out of interests sake what qualifies a person for a covid extension. I thought it was because a person can't get home but you're from the US and could fly home tomorrow so obviously there's more to it than that.
Mayo **************
@Ray **********
he’s simply abusing the system. And he still think he’s right. I wonder what will happen to him if he tries this trick in China, or even first world countries like Australia or Japan. Self-entitlement. Get the right visa, like how non-US citizens would do to get to your country or continue staying there.
Maxim ***********
@Mayo *************
Factually incorrect, facts don't care about your feeling. You may morally think that something is wrong, but nobody cares about your fragile ego.
Frank-Steven ***********
@Ray **********
A common misconception. Ongoing COVID pandemic situation in the destination or home country is sufficient reason. This basically applies to every destination country.
Ray ***********
OK I'll drop this as I wasn't actually looking for an argument was just wondering about these extensions. If a person can get one more power to them.
Ray ***********
OK does anyone have anything official on these extensions? What I can find says that the original poster isn't eligible as he is free to travel back to the US (assuming he has legal residency in the U.S.) anytime he wants. With the exception of Russia and Ukraine now I don't see how anyone is qualified for these "extensions"
Ray ***********
Ok I can't read Thai but anyway. So what's the purpose of the extension in your opinion?
John **********
@Ray **********
the purpose of the extension is exactly as it says. Unable to travel due to Covid. Fortunately for many Thai immigration has been taking a very loose interpretation of this, but that is entirely at the discretion of each individual immigration officer. There is zero entitlement to this extension, particularly if you are unable to provide proof that you can't travel.
Ray ***********
Which is why I asked if anyone had something official.
Garrett ***********
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Ray Mansfield Here's the offical notice
Garrett ***********
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@Ray **********
Where did you find that?
Ray ***********
@Garrett **********
it was just a discussion not unlike this one which is why I was asking if anyone had anything official.
Garrett ***********
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Ray So you didn't find anything, some random guy on fb said it. Makes sense.
Marguyvin **********
@Ray **********
After 25-Jan, only those who entered the country as a "tourist" are eligible. Those who entered on non-immigrant visas, or who began as a tourist and then converted to non-immigrant while here, are no longer eligible for the covid extension.
Garrett ***********
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@R**
There are no qualifications. Just like it's illegal to post photos with alcohol in them, but there's no enforcement of it.
Ray ***********
@Garrett **********
so anyone on tourist status can apply and get these extensions regardless of whether they actually need it or not?
Brandon ************
@Ray **********
yes everyone can apply if they entered on tourist visa or visa exempt and already took their 30 day extension and haven't been on any other type of extension. Being able to apply and being able to get it are not the same though.
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