What is the best visa option for retirees wanting to split time between Thailand and the UK?

Jul 19, 2024
4 months ago
Darren ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Good morning,

I have been traveling to Thailand for over 30 years, but now I'm retiring and want to spend up to 6 months of the year in Thailand šŸ‡¹šŸ‡­ and 6 months in the UK šŸ‡¬šŸ‡§

What is the best option of visa for me please, because there are some new visas available now.

Also, my friends say use an agent it's easier.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A retiree seeking to divide their time between Thailand and the UK has several visa options to consider. Recommendations include the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV), which provides 6-month stays with necessary border runs; the Non-O-A visa for longer stays of up to two years; or a Non-O visa which starts with a 90-day duration but can be extended. The new DTV visa, allowing for 180-day stays and multiple entries over five years, is another potential option. Friends suggest using an agent to simplify the application process, while it's also important to be mindful of tax residency rules if staying in Thailand for 180 days or more per year.
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Jimmy *********
Get the new 60 day visa an extend . Do it x2 and thats 6 months
Peter **********
Been doing this for over 15 years

Multi or Single entry 90 day Visa from UK Thai Embassy

then fly out twice for Exemption 30 days

Easier now with 60 day Exemption

Be careful full not to stay for more than 180 days in a Calendar Year as you may then have to pay Income Tax in Thailand
Bob ********
I agree with the DTV visa, as not only will it let you come and go for 180 days a time it will allow you to keep your British pension rights. It won't mean your pension is frozen after living in Thailand
Bonnie *********
Retirement visa with multiple entry.
JĆ¼rgen *******
DTV

New visa exemption

Multiple entry for 5 years

*****
THB
Patrick ********
@JĆ¼rgen ******
Best option
Neil ********
@JĆ¼rgen ******
Sounds like a good idea
Phil ********
Enter 60 day exempt.

Extend 30 days.

Border run 60 days.

Extend 30 days.

Border run 60 days.
John **********
Depending on the exact split of your time be aware that if you spend 180 days or more inside Thailand in any calendar year you become tax resident and may have to pay tax
Darren ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@John *********
I know that's why I'll reside less than 180 days šŸ‘
Bob **********
@John *********
and you are assuming this because nothing has been set in stone you should wait until itā€™s official before trying to scare everyone
Michael *******
@Bob *********
this kind of disinformation is dangerous, tax residency is now clear, and a tax return is expected every January , and before 30 Mar commencing 2025ā€¦ā€¦.ignorance is no defense, and back taxes and penalties can be onerousā€¦ā€¦people should be aware of this before they commit to moving here, infinitely sensible advice methinks - what you do is entirely your choice, lots of options available, which I am sure you have considered.
Ken ***********
@Bob *********
the fact that Thai tax liability is in flux for longterm expats is very relevant. He should be aware of possible liability.
Bob **********
@Ken ******
if heā€™s not from a country that has a tax treaty with Thailand then maybe but if they pay tax at home they will probably accept that but again the Thai tax department is very short staff
John **********
@Bob *********
you can only claim the benefits from a tax treaty if you file a tax return
Bob **********
@John *********
how do you know nobody has had to do this have they ?
John **********
@Bob *********
a number of people do
Galen ******
@Bob *********
Compare Thai income tax rates with your home country tax rates. The current Thai tax rates are actually quite high in comparison to my home country tax rates, US. If there is a big difference, there may still be some tax liability payable to Thai Revenue Department, even after paying tax in the US. This is assuming I am a tax resident in Thailand and they actually enforce the law. I think it will be quite confusing if this actually happens. I think it may be easier to prevent becoming a tax resident, if a person has a choice to live elsewhere. I honestly think many foreigners residing in Thailand may look at this the same way. This residency law may hurt Thailand more than help.
Ken ***********
@Bob *********
I agree it may not affect him, but it is an uncertaity and something he should be aware of. It is ridiculous that we are in month 7 of 2024 and Thailand has not given the details so people can decide what they want to do.
John **********
@Ken ******
the details are all available if you go and look
John **********
@Bob *********
it's just to let him know. The rule on becoming a tax resident have been set in stone for many years
Bob **********
@John *********
they donā€™t have the man power to collect from wealthy Thais and you believe there going to tax an expat living on a small pension Iā€™ve been here 15 years never been asked to file anything
Michael *******
@Bob *********
thatā€™s a myth - when were you last in a tax office ? I have visited two offices in Phuket , every Jan for last two years, not only are their plenty of staff, they are very helpful and knowledgeable. I do a return because my bank deducts withholding tax on interest I earn for funds I keep here for my wife and I, my refund Cheques are always welcome and they never bouncešŸ˜Š
John **********
@Bob *********
this year is different. The get out clause regarding income not earned in the current year is gone. And the Thai Revenue Department doesn't ask you to file, the responsibility to file is yours and yours alone if you are a tax resident and bring assessable income into Thailand
Tullio *******
Check your embassy website you now have DTV visa multi entry valid 5 years with stay of 180 days that can be extended for 180
James *********
@Von *****
The OP can be retired and take some classes, like millions of other retirees around the globe do, myself included.
Von ******
@Tullio ******
he is retiring! How is he going to qualify for a DTV??? Not a Remote worker, not a freelancer, not a Digital Nomadā€¦ šŸ§šŸ§šŸ§šŸ§
Tullio *******
@Von *****
thank you for the unnecessary remark, not sure why you went into this argument that I had no intention to entertain nor to reply toā€¦.
Tullio *******
@Von *****
maybe gather a little information before commenting ?
Von ******
@Tullio ******
so please ENLIGHTEN Me/Us just HOW the DTV will apply to this Gentleman given the requirements of the DTV???
Tullio *******
@Von *****
I donā€™t need to do anything, he can check the requirements with the embassy and he might find a fit and be able to stay in thailand 6 months a year as desired for next 5 years in a single shot, I donā€™t see how this should not be taken as a possibility. As you really havenā€™t got the faintest idea of the OP lifestyle present past and future it is rather strange that you rule out possibilities, without mentioning the fact that you want to start an argument when really there isnā€™t oneā€¦..
Von ******
@Tullio ******
the FACTS are he is RETIRING and you assert that he is able to utilise the DVT and yet he does not meet the criteria!!! You clearly live in your own self induced fantasy World.

Read the requirements and quit giving false information to others.
Tullio *******
@Von *****
I donā€™t know why you keep on arguing, where is the false information? Iā€™m not telling him that it can be done since itā€™s only out for a few days, but whatā€™s wrong with checking it out? Even if he is retired what prevents him to get an online job? Sign up for a cooking class, muai Thai or any of the criteriaā€™s? I really fail to understand why you absolutely donā€™t want him to check? Moreover I am pretty sure he can make up his mind whether itā€™s a viable option or not he doesnā€™t need convincing from any Von Vato to convince him of the contrary ā€¦ā€¦ I certainly not trying to convince anyone that is viable šŸ˜‚
Neil ********
@Tullio ******
Guys lets keep it civil!

Everyone has an opinion šŸ¤· agree to disagree life is to short .

Nice to see constructive posts from all of you as op is asking for help
Tullio *******
@Neil *******
guys should be directed only at
@Von *****
as for some reason he keeps arguing until he offended I really donā€™t understand what is his problem
Joseph ****
@Tullio ******
I don't have a dog in this, but you were definitely the one who picked the fight.
Von ******
@Tullio ******
I understand and read English fine! The poster is Retiringā€¦ he does not meet ANY of the criteria
Von ******
John *********
If you got a retirement visa you would only use 4 months out of 12 it now because you get 60 days when ariving
Shane ******
I'd do your non-o retirement if have and want to have 800k in bank here.

Or come in on the 60 day+30 do a bounce out of country and repeat. Probably won't raise any flags if your going to be away for 6 months after that.
Jeffrey ************
Look at the visa options on the RTE website and choose..
Michael ********
A few friends do that from UK do that. Spend the winters in Thailand. They get METV multiple entry tourist visa
Jan ******************
At least three options;

*You can apply for a six monthā€™s multiple entries tourist visa (METV). For 6 months youā€™ll need to do one border crossing (another 60 days) and two 30 days local extensions. You might need to prove sufficient funds for you stay.

Since youā€™re passed 50 years;

*A one year Non O-A visa with multiple entries gives you possibility for to stay up to two years in Thailand. If they lower the insurance requirement from 3 million to 400K baht as announced, this could be a good option because you donā€™t need to prove any funds in Thailand.

*A 90 days Non O visa gives you 90 days and after you can apply for a one year extension of stay with multiple entries in Thailand. This extensions with re-entry permit allows you to come and go as you wish in the future as long as your back each year in time to apply for a new extension before it expires. But as your embassy donā€™t offer to provide you an affidavit letter to confirm your income, youā€™ll need to bank 800K baht in a Thai bank.

For initial 90 days Non O and Non O-A visa you use your bank statements at home to verify your income/funds and the general requirements are minimum income equal to 65K thb a month or funds equal to 800K thb.
Graeme ******
@Jan *****************
on the non o 90 day visa can this be made into a multi entry when in Thailand? Within the 90 day period?
Jan ******************
@Graeme *****
Previously you could apply for a one year 90 days Non O visa with multiple entries and get stamped in for 90 days each time you entered within a year. The multiple option is now removed in the e-visa system. SO;

The 90 days Non O visa today is only single entry and you only get stamped in for 90 days one time when you enter. However you can purchase single or multiple re-entry permits at the immigration or airports also on your 90 days Non O visa. This allows you to get stamped back in within the 90 days of your visa.
Graeme ******
@Jan *****************
brilliant thanks Jan I was hoping I could buy multiple re entry permits within Thailand, I will be in chiang rai so should be able to get the permits at immigration in central. Thanks
Ted *******
@Jan *****************
just to say how appreciative I am for your through respond šŸ«”
Chris *******
If you want an agent, i can recommend the one i used for my visa.. very helpful and great job
Achanster ******
@Chris ******
is he/she in Phuket please?
Chris *******
@Achanster *****
BangkokšŸ˜šŸ˜
Kevin ******
@Chris ******
can you recommend?
Chris *******
@Kevin *****
i just sent you a Dm ..
Kevin ******
@Chris ******
thank you very much indeed.
Chris *******
@Kevin *****
yes sure, but you need to go a Changwatta
Achanster ******
@Chris ******
Oh that's a shame
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