What do I need to change my retirement visa to a Non-Immigrant B visa in Thailand?

June 7, 2018
6 years ago
Hany ******
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Hi all

I am in need of some advice and getting mixed conflicting info from google etc.

I am here in Thailand on a retirement visa and have my company registered with my thai partner for 4 million baht. I am in the process of organising my work permit through a lawyer but I am told I need to change to a B visa and to do this I need to leave the country?

If this is the case what do I need to bring and what is the process to get the B visa?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks
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The user is seeking advice on how to change their retirement visa to a Non-Immigrant B visa in Thailand, as they are in the process of obtaining a work permit through their Thai partner. Confusion arises regarding whether they must leave Thailand to apply for the B visa and what documents are necessary for the application.
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Jim ***************
Ur lawyers should know what to do
Tod *********
sorry about that
@J**
:O

too many windows open on the browser :/
@Hany *****
, I concur with Jim, the lawyer or accountant who set up your company should know what's what..

OR

Have them call the consulate and get the list told to them
Jim ***************
We are talking about the other guy who wants a non b
Hany ******
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@Tod ********
huh? I didn't get denied I haven't left yet ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ
Tod *********
One thing I will say is BEFORE you wing your way to a thai consulate to by a Non-Immigrant Type B visa make sure you cancel your extension of stay based on being over 50 (retirement) at the immigration office. THEN go out and get the Non-B.

You have to cancel extensions of stays not just exit the country on one without a re-entry permit.
Bob ********
go to government of Thailand web site type in types of visas
Tod *********
@Bob *******
those are the requirements to get a VISA from a thai consulate in another country NOT for getting the visa or the yearly extension of stay from the thai immigration office.

The MFA controls all the thai consulates (which are coincidentally outside the country) and they sell visas to foreigners.

The Royal Thai Police control all the immigration offices (which are coincidentally inside the country) and they sell visas and extensions to foreigners in thailand.
Bob ********
Hi Todd I just doubled checked and was able to get the info on this site, when I sent the web site the link popped up, don't use link type in
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Tod *********
@Bob *******
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office sell visas outside of thailand and have NOTHING to do at all with visas or extensions inside the country.
Bob ********
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scroll down to visa information thailand visa information ministry of foreign
Hany ******
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Hany ******
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You obviously didn't read anything on this thread
Robert *******
Okay, recommendations are written behind every requirement [between brackets] 1. Recommendation letter from the employer addressed to the Embassy (stating about

the employment and visa application) and be accompanied with the certified copy of the endorser's ID [This is written by your business partner]

2. Employment contract [Made by your business partner]

3. Form of the Employment Certification (Download Here) [Fill in owner/share holder of the company]

4. Approval Letter from the Ministry of Labour of Thailand

or Copy of the current work permit [This is the WP3 confirmation letter you got from Ministry of Labor]

5. Copy of corporate documents, namely;

- company registration certificate

- list of company shareholders

- memorandum of companyโ€™s regulation

- latest income tax statement

- latest registration of value added tax

- the name list of current foreign employees [just get these copies]
Hany ******
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@Robert ******
ah ok thanks so what do I use instead? Just the tax number?
Robert *******
If it is a new company they will understand that there are no tax statements of the last years.
Hany ******
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Thanks that makes things easier ๐Ÿ˜‚ just still confused about tax statements. I have not paid tax yet so I don't have a statement? I have my tax number?
Hany ******
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More confused than ever now ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ญ
Robert *******
You need to change to Non Immigrant B. You or your partner visit the Ministry of Labor, ask the hand out needed to apply for the Work Permit using the WP 3 application method. You copy all the papers needed and file the application. If all correct than you get a WP 3 application successfully applied. This paper and other company papers you need for the Non Immigrant B visa, you can look at the website of the Consulate-Embassy you're going to visit what the requirements are.
Robert *******
I worked here 12 years, never used an agent for myself or for any other staff member in our company, and I use the same offices as you and your known business owners. This for Work Permits and Visa's. I guess that's made me an unpaid Visa Agent.
Joe ***********
@Robert ******
- Robert I disagree the evidence piles up every week here on this Group. Many many prople cannot do a Work Permit and B Visa without paid help. I personally know about 12 'business owners' here in Krabi that use a vsa consultant year after year - not just the first time.
Joe ***********
The WP Application is Not Not done until the OP or his lawyer collects the stamped Successful WP.3 Application and the official Labor Ministry Transmittal form letter rewuired to be used in the B Visa Application file.
Robert *******
Thanks
@J**
, Would make this group useless if we all comment go to visa agent. It is not easy but all can be done your self, with some guidance and experiences from others.
Joe ***********
@Robert ******
- The OP stated he has a lawyer - when I saw that I removed my suggestion.

Also as I understand the Group rule it is to not recommend a consultant by Name. I do not know of any prohibition about merely suggesting that a consultant is needed.
Robert *******
He is in the process of application of the Non Immigrant B visa. The application for the Work Permit as more times mentioned is DONE and the WP can be collected in several weeks.
Joe ***********
Besides my info is just a description of how it usually works. The OP will have to guage where he in this process.
Joe ***********
@Robert ******
- He says that - I think he is wrong
Joe ***********
Your lawyer will need to collect the Labor Ministry documents and send them to you in the neighboring country
Robert *******
@Joe **********
please read our comments, the application of the WP is done and dusted. And this page is to give advice to help people how to get the papers, not to advice to go use expensive visa consultants. Please edit your text.
Joe ***********
As you are currently on a One Year Extension of a Non Immigrant O Visa (oftened nicknamed 'Retirement Visa').

Under what I consider antiquated rules you must apply for a Work Permit and the B Visa (Business) using the WP.3 Work Permit Applicatiion Form. If you did not use the WP.3 Application I do not see the WP being issued until you do considering your Visa Status.

This process will require you to leave Thailand - go to another country such as Laos or Malaysia - then apply for the B Visa at a Thai Embassy/Consulate there. When you leave Thailand you go without a Reentry Permit effectively cancelling the Non O Extension of Stay. At this time you would have no active Thailand Visa status.

Some Labor Ministries require proof you exited Thailand (photos of Exit Stamps and Entrance Stamps) before they will release a WP.3 Application form stamped 'Successful Application). At the same time or a few days later the Labor Ministry will release a form letter stating that the WP.3 Application was successfully submitted. Both these documents have to be included in your B Visa Application. Some Labor Ministry offices release both documents same day - some without proof you have excited Thailand.

Note: Neither the WP and B-Visa application process nor documentation differentiates between Employee or 'owner'. You become a Shareholder and later Director.

The list of required documents for the B Visa is as mentioned available on line at the Embassy / Consulate you plan to go to.
Hany ******
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The Wp3 form , is that not with the lawyer already as it was needed to apply for the wp?

If that's the case how do I get it to be able to bring it to laos to apply for B visa ๐Ÿค”
Joe ***********
Hany Saad - The WP and B Visa are intertwined for you because of your starting Visa Status. You can apply for the WP but it will not be issued until you get the B Visa.
Hany ******
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@Robert ******
my smile disappeared about a year ago ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ
Robert *******
Living in the land of smiles, getting official papers is not easy. Take your time and above all keep smiling. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
Hany ******
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I thought that the company registration and wp were the hard part and that the B visa was the easy quick border hop part but it seems that's not the case ๐Ÿ˜ž
Hany ******
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Joe D Greene my understanding though is that the status of the wp is not relevant to obtaining a B visa as the B visa is arranged by most people before they apply for a wp?

It's just in my case I did it backwards and applied for wp first and now have to get my visa changed
Robert *******
@Joe **********
I only mentioned the requirement of application of the Non Immigrant B visa at Vientiane Consulate. This because his WP is filed successfully already.
Joe ***********
Hany Saad - I just went through this process late last year under the same Visa status as you. I am just relating what I had to do - the process and sequence I had to go through. Please just consider that maybe you don't have full 100% accurate information as to what is going on with your WP Application. It could be sitting there on the desk of an officer of the Labor Ministry waiting for documentation of the things Robert has mention and that I will post next.
Hany ******
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@Joe **********
hi Joe, the business partner is already registered as is the company. The wp is in process it's just the changing of my retirement visa to a B visa I need help with ๐Ÿ˜ž
Robert *******
Yes, but you need first the Non Immigrant B visa to collect the WP, with your Extension of Stay you won't get it.
Joe ***********
Your Thai Business partner to be writes a letter requesting that you be hired and granted a WP.
Hany ******
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@Robert ******
the work permit is in process and should be ready in a few weeks.
Robert *******
Best is your partner to subscribe it because you still not allowed to work, without the visa and the work permit.
Hany ******
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So the recommendation letter is written by my partner yes?

Employment contract? Written by who?
Robert *******
Out of you own comment: 4. Approval Letter from the Ministry of Labour of Thailand
Hany ******
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@Robert ******
sorry I must be missing something here๐Ÿค”

Thanks for your patience,

I see no mention of NR4 or WP3 in the requirements section on the site u just sent me?
Robert *******
NR 3 you fill in owner/share holder
Robert *******
Again: NR 1 is letter written by your business partner, NR 4 is the WP3 form you got from the Ministry of Labor.
Hany ******
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@Robert ******
as I already mentioned I have looked at that site and it gives no info regarding the b visa as an owner of the business only for someone looking at working for an employer?

Look at the requirements and please explain if I just write these letters myself?

- Nonโ€“Immigrant "B"

Documents required are :

1. Recommendation letter from the employer addressed to the Embassy (stating about

the employment and visa application) and be accompanied with the certified copy

of the endorser's ID

2. Employment contract

3. Form of the Employment Certification (Download Here)

4. Approval Letter from the Ministry of Labour of Thailand

or Copy of the current work permit

5. Copy of corporate documents, namely;

- company registration certificate

- list of company shareholders

- memorandum of companyโ€™s regulation

- latest income tax statement

- latest registration of value added tax

- the name list of current foreign employees
Robert *******
NR 1 is letter written by your business partner, NR 4 is the WP 3 form from Ministry of labor
Robert *******
Yes, I'm not that fast. Go to this website of the consulate in Vientaine and bring all the papers listed under Non Immigrant B
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Hany ******
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But I am trying to find out what I need to bring with me to apply for B visa ???

The ministry site only really gives info for people wanting to work for an employer and I am the employer and director of the company so what do I need ?
Hany ******
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@Robert ******
I guess laos is handiest
Robert *******
Than you have to visit a Thai Embassy or a Thai Consulate to apply for the Non Immigrant B visa. These you can find abroad, where do you like to go?
Hany ******
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Robert *******
You are not married?
Hany ******
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@Robert ******
I am based in Korat
Hany ******
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I am on the one that requires 800k in bank and gets me a year in country with 90 day reporting
Robert *******
Which Embassy do you prefer to go?
Hany ******
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As already mentioned I have already applied for the work permit. That is in process but I now need to know what the process is for getting the non imm B visa.

I have already looked at the embassy site and it's not helpful hence my post here.
Robert *******
What is a retirement visa?
Robert *******
There are 4 kinds of Visa and an Extension of Stay all named retirement visa by expats. They all have different rules and regulations. It is impossible to give correct advice if the type of visa or Extension is unknown as you already found out by using google to get conflicting information.
Hany ******
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Are you being facetious?

It's permission to stay based on retirement. About half the expats in Thailand are using it ๐Ÿ˜œ
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