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What are the options for applying for a Tourist Visa for an Ethiopian citizen in Thailand when faced with visa refusal?

Chris *****
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We've just been refused permission to apply for a Tourist Visa for an Ethiopian citizen in the Thai embassy in Vientiane. Without a Tourist Visa we can't apply for our Education visa as that process takes 2-4 weeks Thai police report (and they hold your passport), 2-4 weeks Min of Education permission, then 2 weeks immigration (the last step at least we could do in Laos), and the Visa On Arrival only gives 30 days.

What is our best option? (Visa services won't help Ethiopians, lawyers don't seem to know.) Courier the Tourist Visa application to the Thai embassy in Kenya? How do we prove funds? Go back to Bangkok on our (second, by air) VOA and apply for Tourist visa there? Do Thai police report and maybe Min of Ed in BKK on VOA, then Ed visa in Laos? Elite takes 2-3 months so mightn't come until January anyway. We have a UK visit visa for her (I and our son are British). Any ideas I've missed?
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The original post discusses the challenges faced by an Ethiopian couple in obtaining a Tourist Visa for the wife, which is necessary to apply for an Education Visa in Thailand. They were refused a Tourist Visa in Vientiane and are exploring options such as applying through the Thai embassy in Cambodia or returning to Bangkok for another entry. The responses suggest avoiding couriering the passport, the importance of working with a legitimate educational institution, and exploring alternative visa options like the Elite or Non-O visa. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexity of visa processes for Ethiopian nationals and potential paths forward, emphasizing communication with visa agents and schools.
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Jo **********
Jo **********
i don’t understand you posted on 28 September saying you were applying for a medical visa? so confused
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Thank you very much
@Charm *****
! I'm looking into this, for Ethiopians the process is at least a month according to the embassy website, but it does say it is possible. Malaysia visa process for an Ethiopian is proving a bit hard to work out-lots of web pages but no coherent guide (and only 14 days).
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
Your geography and history are correct. But from where do you think they brought Christianity 4ad? Simon the Cananaean in a no frills flight 7kg hand luggage? ("Is that how it's spelled in your passport, sir?") They trekked it through Asia (a couple return journeys by some accounts), bringing Asian culture with them. Hence their cuisine and linguistics, for example, and their sublime esotericsm - part of Christianity before Europe discovered it, (that makes my fiancee's hair stand on end, because Orthodox Ethiopian Christianity uses many of the same scales and gestures as Buddhism here in their worship).

I am sure you're aware of this but I find it mind blowing - religion back then was belief system, science, government, means of cooperation, discipline, the entire reason we evolved to communities beyond 200 or so. (On the shoulders of these questionable cultural precursors stand governments, borders, visas, and visa self-help Facebook groups.)
Charm ******
Charm ******
@Chris ***************
think Thai embassy in Cambodia is better the process of TV is 5-7 days. Or you can do in KL too.
Chris *****
Chris *****
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I dearly loved South America, don't know central, but it's not what we're looking for. Ethiopians are part Asian.
Jo **********
Jo **********
@Chris ***************
if my geography is correct Ethiopia is part of Africa. And embraced christianity in the 4th century.
Chris *****
Chris *****
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I can only assume you love the country as much as we do. We could do the UK on my citizenship, but would you?! I'm looking for a place to love. Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam all beautiful...no idea if they'd accept Ethiopian....Brazil maybe....but nothing else quite compares to Thailand.
Jo **********
Jo **********
@Chris ***************
i lived in Nicaragua for a while that place is more lay back than Thailand. Friendly people great climate
Chris *****
Chris *****
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What would you do in my position? How do you suggest I obtain a medical medical visa with no letter and no embassy that issues them?

As a white westerner with a salary paid into a Singaporean bank account married to a Thai with a lack of sympathy and presumably bored with a few beers inside you, you may not be able to sympathise. But slow clap for pulling up my last post from fb. Guilty myself, the temptation to troll is real!
Jo **********
Jo **********
@Chris ***************
good question i am not sure. but honestly why Thailand? why not another country that is similar to Thailand that would let you in. I would do that.
Shayne **********
Shayne **********
I recognised your name then looked at your history in this group. It looks like you did not listen to anything anyone has advised you of maybe head back to Ethiopia. Get the surgery and apply for the Elite Visa for and come back.
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Your post comes across as angry, do feel free to explain what's upset you; information comes from multiple sources and I am happy to explain any of my decisions. Having discussed with Bumrungrad the medical visa would probably only have given us a fortnight, and is not listed on the Laos Thai embassy page, and they were unwilling to discuss today. We are not rich, bear in mind an Elite visa costs 60 times the average annual salary in Ethiopia, so the Elite visa is prohibitively expensive, but I did mention it as an option here. Ethiopia is currently throwing people in concentration camps, outside which the bbc has documented mass graves. So check your privilege. Helpful advice gratefully received.
Maarten ****
Maarten ****
Try cambodia …
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Thanks there's also eVisa I found, so I'll do that for peace of mind. The embassy website says it takes at least a month because Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Thailand must approve all applications. I am concerned they'll take the passport , which we will then need to extend the Cambodia visa, but it can't be impossible.
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Sorry Maarten my post was confusing. I was replying to Michael, but on my mobile so my reply started a new sub-thread. I meant to say I'll use Cambodia's eVisa process to get in. You're right, Ethiopians can't use Thailand's eVisa systems. But surely the Thai embassy can't be taking people's passports away, forcing them to overstay in Cambodia, as a standard process.
Maarten ****
Maarten ****
@Chris ***************
I don’t think eVisa they gonna take the passport …
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
Or living in Cambodia?
Michael *******
Michael *******
@Chris ***************
Cambodia VOA is possible for Ethiopians, but only when flying in. Why does it take a month?
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
This is looking possible. Do you know whether you must leave your passport with the Thai embassy in Cambodia during the application?
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
They do process visas for Ethiopians, thanks! Takes "at least a month" and Cambodia visa for Ethiopians seems to last a month, but hypothetically possible. I wish the embassy in Laos had said they don't on their website!
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
Thanks I'll look into it
Maarten ****
Maarten ****
@Chris ***************
Thai embassy in Cambodia… they are more flexible for Thai TR visa
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
You mean the Thai embassy in Cambodia?
Eric **********
Eric **********
Email all Bangkok visa agents and one might be able to offer an unconventional solution.
Chris *****
Chris *****
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@Eric *********
thanks, I've been round maybe 8 in person, they very quickly say they can't help an Ethiopian (if they recognize the country name at all), and I don't want to get involved with an agent that is very corrupt - want to keep our long term options open.
John **********
John **********
Your best option is to speak to the school she is planning to study at. If it's a legitimate school they should be able to help you navigate the requirements. If you're just trying to get ED visas as a means of staying in Thailand without committing to study your going to struggle
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Not at all, I'm emailing the school, will work on Cambodia, thanks very much for the ideas!
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Thanks John yeah looking likely. On basis of a recommendation below, the Thai embassy in Cambodia does offer Ethiopians tourist visas, so while Elite progressing might give that a final go to then get on education visa. Need somewhere for the elite delay anyway, heard of the mythical beaches and haven't been before.
John **********
John **********
@Chris ***************
sorry I've no idea about that
Chris *****
Chris *****
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We really want to study Thai, I think it would be experience transforming for life there. Duke was unhelpful, AAA Thai was better but still said timeframe was weeks, but good point I'll write to them.
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
I am only saying they couldn't help with our visa, I am sure Duke's tuition is excellent. Interesting to hear that about Chula thanks.
John **********
John **********
@Chris ***************
bit to go on the retirement front then. I'm not sure what else to suggest other than Elite visa
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
Yeah repeated VOAs definitely a concern, a refusal at the border would be a major headache, not sure where I and our baby would stand, a forced return to Ethiopia would be very, very serious, we can't risk that at all.
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
I'm 46 and counting the days..!
John **********
John **********
@Chris ***************
Sounds a bit like your wife is stuck on visa on arrival and immigration will soon get angsty about repeated entries. Are you over 50? Have you thought about a Non-O for you and eventually a trailing spouse for her?
Chris *****
Chris *****
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They essentially said is unlikely to be possible for an Ethiopian because of how long everything takes. I tried asking around for ways, but the person on the desk didn't really know much and didn't know where I could go and ask.
John **********
John **********
@Chris ***************
yea I get that. I was wondering what they said about the visa
John **********
John **********
@Chris ***************
from what I hear Duke is one of the better schools. What did they say to you?
John **********
John **********
@Ryan **********
one would hope given its run by a university
Ryan ***********
Ryan ***********
@John *********
Chula is better
Randy **********
Randy **********
@Garrett **********
I just saw you there...sent you a message
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
ED visas don't take that long to apply for. If she can enter with a 30 day VOA, that's plenty of time to get an Ed visa.
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Check the website Jo, they don't do Medical Visas at Thai embassy Vientiane, and it would anyway only have given us a fortnight which is less than VOA.
Jo **********
Jo **********
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
How long does it take normally with eg a British passport? I think we'll need to get my wife an Elite, and me Education, so I'm now pondering timings.
Dianne *****
Dianne *****
@Chris ***************
with a British passport in Laos, 3 working days
Chris *****
Chris *****
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Because she is Ethiopian she needs to get a report from Thai police, which a school said takes 2-4 weeks. Then ministry of education we were told 2-4 weeks. Then immigration 2 weeks. The last part we could do in Laos but that's still 4-8 weeks.

Were we given overly pessimistic estimates?
Wayne *********
Wayne *********
You can not apply for tourist visa when in Thailand must be done outside of Thailand
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
I was asking (among many, many questions) whether possible to apply for tourist visa in country so this is helpful, apologies if my post wasn't clear.
Wayne *********
Wayne *********
@Chris ***************
it was clear to me hence I said you can not apply for tourist visa while in Thailand
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
@Wayne ********
He didn't say he was in Thailand.
Wayne *********
Wayne *********
@Garrett **********
nope but he said can he come back to Bangkok and apply if you read it all
Wayne *********
Wayne *********
@Garrett **********
and asked can he apply when voa back in Bangkok
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
@Wayne ********
He said on his second VOA, so he'd fly out and back in.
Av **********
Av **********
Whatever you do do not courier the passport back to country of orgin to get the Visa. No where in the world is it legal to mail your passport out of the country you are in. Only an embassy has permission to do that. Go in through loas is what id say
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
If the Kenyan Thai embassy mislaid it or it wasn't handed to the embassy correctly by the courier or they took a long time or didn't return it properly we would be in trouble as Ethiopian embassies aren't helpful. I'm not sure there's a law, but that isn't so important in our situation.
Phil ******
Phil ******
@Av *********
30 years ago my son was 1 in the UK and the Australian embassy here in Perth refused to send it to him. They asked me to do it no issue. So post the rules as don't think its changed
Nigel ********
Nigel ********
@Av *********
, courier such as DHL is perfectly legal.
Av **********
Av **********
@Chris ***************
lol yeah it isn't fun for sure. Take care !
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
That must have been a nerve-wracking experience.
Av **********
Av **********
@Chris ***************
u r welcome..wish i could be more help.....i just like to caution everyone when it comes to passport stuff.....my husband got stuck in cambodia for a long time because of the whole embassy / passport / visa thing :(
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
Very much appreciated thanks Av
Av **********
Av **********
@Chris ***************
well the only time a private citizen is allowed to mail a passport is if like for example Portugal Embassy is in bangkok but if covers all of south east Asia, so since bangkok would be the headquarters of the embassy then it would be okay. Im just saying be careful - u can do it, but like it shouldnt be done that way unless like that particular embassy has rule over where the person is
Chris *****
Chris *****
OP
Laos just refused. Standard practice I believe is to courier from Ethiopia to Kenya. Is your rule just when outside your home country?

Fully agree though, the idea of couriering it makes me very nervous, Eth embassy unlikely to get emergency travel docs to us in event of loss or lateness (we're covered by India here). Hence this fairly desperate post at this point for alternative ideas.

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