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What are the new requirements for DTV eVisa applications regarding proof of residency?
Evisa site has updated, for DTV you must upload proof of permanent residence from where your application is submitted and upload a police clearance certificate from the same country.
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The eVisa site has updated its requirements for the DTV visa, specifying that applicants need to upload proof of permanent residency from their home country along with a police clearance certificate. This has sparked discussions among digital nomads, with concerns about the definition of 'permanent residency', especially for those who have deregistered from their home countries. The conversation highlights the complexities that arise when applying for visas, as many expatriates face challenges regarding residency status while living as digital nomads.
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Don *******
Oh well what’s everyone having for dinner?
Greg ***********
Interestingly, my comment got removed from the "Thai Visa Q&A" FB group for the same explanation of facts.
The admin cited "this group is not for opinions" which is an insult because I wasn't giving an opinion but a FACT.
A juristic correct FACT.
Read it here:
“It is the typical Thai way to keep rules as unclear as possible. Because you can't hold a "Permanent Residency" in any country anywhere so easily.
The DTV was tailored for digital nomads. Many digital nomads leave their home country for good, they give up their resident address. They de-register. For a digital nomad, the World is their home, their residence.
The use of the word "permanent" is confusing, because most countries only allow you to become a "temporary resident". This is too complicated for Thai Ministry logic.
If I leave Germany for good, being a digital nomad, I "de-register" in Germany. This is called "abmelden". This process is the SAME for all European countries, not just for Germany.
After my “de-registration”, I have no more resident address in Germany any more, no more mandatory health insurance and no more tax residency if I don't earn any income in Germany.
I will still have a German passport but I won't be a German resident anymore.
All those German expats living in Thailand with their Thai wives, have a German passport but no more "residency" in Germany.
They don’t hold a residency in Germany and most importantly of all, never would they hold a “permanent residency” because they are not registered in Germany any more.
The real question is: is the passport enough to be the proof of residency?
Actually, no, it is not. I can have a German passport but if I do not live in Germany anymore, if I "de-registered" before migrating to someplace else, I have no more "residency" in Germany.
I would have to RETURN to Germany, rent a flat, and register myself again. Only after that I would be a "resident", again”
The admin cited "this group is not for opinions" which is an insult because I wasn't giving an opinion but a FACT.
A juristic correct FACT.
Read it here:
“It is the typical Thai way to keep rules as unclear as possible. Because you can't hold a "Permanent Residency" in any country anywhere so easily.
The DTV was tailored for digital nomads. Many digital nomads leave their home country for good, they give up their resident address. They de-register. For a digital nomad, the World is their home, their residence.
The use of the word "permanent" is confusing, because most countries only allow you to become a "temporary resident". This is too complicated for Thai Ministry logic.
If I leave Germany for good, being a digital nomad, I "de-register" in Germany. This is called "abmelden". This process is the SAME for all European countries, not just for Germany.
After my “de-registration”, I have no more resident address in Germany any more, no more mandatory health insurance and no more tax residency if I don't earn any income in Germany.
I will still have a German passport but I won't be a German resident anymore.
All those German expats living in Thailand with their Thai wives, have a German passport but no more "residency" in Germany.
They don’t hold a residency in Germany and most importantly of all, never would they hold a “permanent residency” because they are not registered in Germany any more.
The real question is: is the passport enough to be the proof of residency?
Actually, no, it is not. I can have a German passport but if I do not live in Germany anymore, if I "de-registered" before migrating to someplace else, I have no more "residency" in Germany.
I would have to RETURN to Germany, rent a flat, and register myself again. Only after that I would be a "resident", again”
Jay *****
@Greg **********
exactly, this is very awful situation for many foreigners especially in Europe
Karim ****
@Greg **********
brudi, probier nicht zu erklären, geh einfach nicht mehr hin, einfach nicht ernst nehmenGreg ***********
@Karim ***
Du hast recht . . ich kämpfe hier gegen Windmühlen
Reed **********
@Greg **********
your citizenship would supersede any need for PR status in Germany. Can you not rent a hotel or Airbnb for 1 to 3 weeks and use that?Greg ***********
@Reed *********
A hotel or AirBnB stay doesn't change his "non-resident" status - in a hotel or AirBnB, he would be on HOLIDAY in Germany, not on a permanent residency
Darren *******
@Greg **********
for the taxman, yes. For any embassy, extremely unlikely.
Alastair ********************
@Greg **********
And that's what the applicant would have to do "return to Germany" and re-establish residency.Greg ***********
@Alastair *******************
you are right. When a German citizen is migrating to someplace else, he "de-registers" from Germany. It is "abmelden" is the bureaucratic word. It means that you have no more REGISTERED residency in Germany. In case the guy returns to Germany and checks into a hotel or AirBnB, the stay doesn't change his status- he would be on HOLIDAY in Germany, not on a permanent residency. He would only start to RESIDE in Germany if he registers himself at the authority under an address (similar to the TM30 in Thailand - a TM30 is only a temporarily registered address)John **********
@Alastair *******************
no they wouldn'tJohn **********
@Jay ****
there's a big difference between being a "permanent resident" and having "permanent residence"Jay *****
@John *********
having rights is not enough, you need to live in your country to have permanent address to be a permanent resident Althought I know people who trick the system living permanently in Thailand and having an address in their home countryJay *****
@John *********
this is not correct, you must have a real address in some European countries to be a “permanent” resident, a passport is not enough…John **********
@Greg **********
you misunderstand the concept, a citizen of a country always has permanent residence rightsGreg ***********
@John *********
the DTV needs your "permanent residency" which is even more stringent. A digital nomad who is living abroad since years, doesn't have a permanent residence in is home country anymoreJohn **********
@Greg **********
your conflating "resident" with "permanent residence" these are not the same thing. Permanent residence is implicit in CitizenshipGreg ***********
@John *********
not in Germany 😂😂😂 and not in Austria or Switzerland. When you leave your home country to live abroad forever, you de-register, you say goodbye, you migrate someplace else. You have no more "residency" in your home country. The passport only constitutes citizenshhip, not a residency. Maybe it is different in England - but I doubt, because being a non-resident in England means that your pension gets frozen. Your British passport doesn not constitute you a residency. The ACTUAL RESIDENCY status is important, and that means living there and having a home address.John **********
@Greg **********
it's absolutely correct. Maybe a language issue but it's very clear to me that permanent residence encompasses passport holders, and thus citizens, of a countryGreg ***********
@John *********
ah okay. Good to know But now still nowhere it says that if you have no "permanent residency" in your home country anymore, but came for a holiday and lodge in a hotel, that your passport is enough 🤣😂 it still is a stupid text, technically. The passport detail is missingJohn **********
@Greg **********
are you sure about that? Where does this text come from?Greg ***********
@John *********
then pray tell why does the DTV e-visa text states both "passport AND permanent residency". Haven't the Thais realized yet that there is the word "or" in English ?Alastair ********************
@John *********
I think we're going round in circles here. Without documentation how would a person demonstrate they reside in the country?John **********
@Alastair *******************
nope, they don't need to demonstrate they reside there at all. They just need to demonstrate they are located within the jurisdiction of the consulate at the time they applyAlastair ********************
@John *********
Yes agreed but to demonstrate that they actually reside there would surely also require additional documentation such as utility bills/drivers licence and so on.John **********
@Alastair *******************
They have a passport, that passport confirms they are a citizen of the country. Citizenship comes with permanent residence rights built inAlastair ********************
@John *********
how else would a person demonstrate residency from their country without having to return and re-establish residency?Greg ***********
It is the typical Thai way to keep rules as unclear as possible. Because you can't hold a "Permanent Residency" in any country anywhere so easily. The use of the word "permanent" is confusing, because most countries only allow you to become a "temporary resident". This is too complicated for Thai Ministry logic.
CapableC********
That’s the only weird thing most countries and the ones I’ve live in give you short stay residence before perm, you could live in say Australia on temp residency for 11 years
Greg ***********
CapableCelery590 yes, I could live on a "temporary residency" but NOT on a "permanent residency". . . . . Think of all those expats married to a Thai wife, living in Thailand. Most of these got issued a 1-year extension of the stay permit based onbeing married to a Thai wife. They have to apply for this stay permit EVERY OTHER YEAR, which means they only have a temporary stay permit. And thus their residency is also only temporary
Robert ***********
@Greg **********
Permanent residency is your passport country. What is so vague about that?Greg ***********
@Robert **********
no, it is not. If I leave Germany for good, being a digital nomad, I "de-register" in Germany. This is called "abmelden". After this I have no more resident address in Germany any more, no more mandatory health insurance and no more tax residency if I don't earn any income in Germany. I will still have a German passport but I won't be a German resident anymore. All those German expats living in Thailand with their Thai wives, have a German passport but no more "residency" in Germany . . . . They won’t hold a residency in Germany and most importantly of all, never would they hold a “permanent residency” because they are not registered in Germany any moreJay *****
@Greg **********
I agree - this is the situation in some countries that you are not a permanent resident anymore if your permanent address is in another country. Passport is not enough.John **********
@Greg **********
the passport detail is implicitGreg ***********
@John *********
In case the guy returns to Germany and checks into a hotel or AirBnB, the stay doesn't change his status- he would be on HOLIDAY in Germany, not on a permanent residency. He would only start to RESIDE in Germany if he registers himself at the local authority under an address (similar to the TM30 in Thailand - a TM30 is only a temporarily registered address)Greg ***********
@John *********
ah, okay. I picked it up from somebody else. Good to know. But now still nowhere it says that if you have no "permanent residency" in your home country becauseyou don't live there anymore, but came for a holiday and lodge in a hotel or AirBnB, that your ome country passport is enough of a proof. 🤣😂 It still is a stupid text, technically. The passport detail is missing.Greg ***********
@John *********
"You don't need to be actually resident in Germany, just holding the passport is enough" . . . . then pray tell why does the DTV e-visa text states both "passport AND permanent residency". Haven't the Thais realized yet that there is the word "or" in English ?
Mario ************
@John *********
That’s not true for all countries. Because you will get no criminal record certificate in some countries where your citizenship is from if you are not anymore registered in your passport country for example. So you have to do it in the country you are registered in as a resident. For Germany you can request your criminal record certificate online as a German passport holder without being a resident in Germany. But as I mentioned, this is not valid for all countries in the world.
John **********
@Greg **********
there's nothing complicated about it. If you hold a German passport you can return to Germany and apply. You don't need to be actually resident in Germany, just holding the passport is enough. I'm surprised that you can't grasp the fact that being a citizen of a country always comes with the permanent right to reside in that country. It's got nothing to do with having a residence address, being a tax resident, having health insurance or anything else.
Tod *********
It's on the information about visa categories on the landing page of the eVisa website
EasygoingE**********
It's over. Most on dtv's now got them in asia. Broke digital nomads dont get on trans atlantic or pacific flights.
Christopher ***********
Interesting, many thanks Will.
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