What are the current rules for extending an F-Type visa stay in Thailand?

Mar 20, 2018
7 years ago
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Hi Tod Daniels or anyone who may be able to help.

I am here on my first F-Type visa valid from November 2017 until November 2018; multiple entry. I went to Immigration in Bangkok in January to apply for an extension of stay (on the advice on my employer) & was told by the officials at ChaengWattana I did not need to do this until a month before my visa expires. I would just need to report every 90 days (at no cost) or leave the country.

I have now been informed by my employer that the rules have changed and I need to apply for an extension of stay every 90days at a cost of 1900baht if I don't leave the country during this time. This means I now need to pay 1900baht every 3 months or border bounce?

Are you aware of this change, or have I been given incorrect information again?

Thanks in advance.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user, currently on an F-Type visa that is valid until November 2018, seeks clarification on the rules regarding visa extensions and reporting requirements for staying in Thailand. Initially advised by immigration officials that they only need to report every 90 days without cost, the user’s employer later indicated that an extension of stay must be applied for every 90 days at a fee of 1,900 baht. The conversation reveals conflicting information concerning extensions, the validity of the F-Type visa, and the process of border bouncing versus applying for extensions. Several community responses emphasize that if the visa only allows for 90-day stays, the user may need to choose between border bouncing or applying for short-term extensions, and some express skepticism about the information provided to the user.
Phil *******
We've had multiple explanations from different people "in the know" at the embassy,
@T**
. Yours tends to be the most reliable. We'll report back when we get something concrete from Immigration.
Tod *********
Good Luck (y) , report back and let is know how it plays out

BUT definitely don't just take the employers word for it.

Make someone go there with you and check.
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks for all your advice, I think it makes sense. I'm sure I'll have more questions soon when/if I'm told something else by my employers.
Phil *******
I did Kanchanaburi on my last 30 day in Jan this year. We'll probably try nad incorporate a weekend away, if we can afford it. My wife is on local salary, so cash is tight. Cheers
@T**
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Tod *********
@Ph**
, WOW, I have never seen that :O , usually the primary person gets a year extension and then the trailing spouse gets a matching extension.

I would say IF you both have year-long, multi-entry Non-F visas and all you can get is 90 day extensions from the immigration office at a time just forget it.

It's way better for you to hold the visa you have (which is unlimited entry/exit into the country for the validity) and just border bounce every 90 days to get another 90 day stamp until the visa runs out.

The near land borders to bangkok are Poi Pet & Ban Laem Cambodia, and Phu Nam Ron in burma out in Kanchanaburi. Or you could fly out and back in too.
Tod *********
Like I said, a re-entry permit is only good for the extension it's issued under. Meaning if you get 90 day extensions your re-entry permits would expire every 90 days and you'd need a new one if you were going to travel on a new 90 day extension. That's why I said forget the extensions for now and wring all you can out of the visa you have now because it has the re-entry built into it.
Tod *********
@Stacey ******
nope, IF all they're going to do is give you 90 day extensions when this visa runs out you'd get 90 day extensions for as long as you need to at 1900baht a pop,
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
So, when the visas run out we go to Chaengwatthana to get an extension of stay?

Does this give us another year, with 90day bounces, or just 90days at a time?

And how much would that be (again multiple entry would be best I assume)?
Phil *******
So the simplest thing to do is bouncing every 90 days ? Where's the nearest border and the cheapest way to get there ? This all applies to me too as
@Sta***
is my wife and we both came back into Thailand after visiting KL for my spouse visa.
Phil *******
I'm the trailing spouse, she is the embassy employee. We both have F type multi entry.visas, not extensions.
Tod *********
You should be on a yearly extension of stay IF you are the primary F visa holder and she is the trailing spouse.

Do you have a year-long, multi-entry Type F visa just like hers OR do you have a yearly extension from the immigration office?
Phil *******
Bangkok
Tod *********
Where are you in thailand?
Tod *********
That leaves you two choices;

keep the visa you have, border-bounce every 90 days to get another 90 day entry stamp NEVER file a 90 day report and get 15 months of stay out of the visa.

OR

apply for an extension when you have 45 days or less left on any one of your 90 day entry stamps. Get the 90 day extension if that's what they said you'll get, and do that EVERY 90 days for as long as you need to.

Remember if you go the extension route you also lose the re-entry permit part of the visa too, so if you leave the country during one of the 90 day extensions you'd need a re-entry permit. AND because a re-entry permit is only good for the extension it's issued under you might need more than one re-entry permit during the time you're getting extensions.
Luke ******
Yeah ok. So what Chaengwatthana told her is correct. Should she wish to extend her 90 day permission of stay she can do that one month before her current permission of stay expires, and if she chose that route she would have to do a 90 day report (because she hasn't left the country for more than 90 days).

What her employer told her is also likely correct, that Immigration will only give 3 month extensions.
Luke ******
Chaengwatthana is correct in saying also that you will need an extension at the end of your visa, that end being November 2018.

Or you get another fresh multi non F visa overseas when this one expires (November 2018) and you continue doing border runs every 90 days.
Luke ******
You stated that your visa is multiple entry valid until November 2018. That means you can enter Thailand as many times as you want until that date, and every time you enter you will receive a permission of stay 90 days.

Since you are on a visa and not an extension of stay, you cannot get an uninterrupted stay in Thailand. When the 90 days are over you have to exit Thailand and reenter.

Should you wish to have a continuous stay in Thailand, your employer is likely correct in saying that Immigration will extend your permission of stay only 3 months at a time, and every time you extend you will have to pay 1,900 baht.

If you choose this route, and you have a continuous stay in Thailand of more than 90 days, you will have to do a 90 day report.
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
What I was told at Chaengwatthana was I would need an extension of stay at the end of my visa because you only get one visa.

Now I'm being told I need an extension of stay at a cost of 1900baht every 3 months instead of just reporting free of charge.
Luke ******
Tod Daniels what she is saying is that she cannot get a 12 month extension at local Immigration on her permission of stay and they are willing to give only 3 month extensions at a time.
Tod *********
@Lu**
, I read that too,

She has two choices, get 90 day extensions (which cancels the visa) OR do border-bounces every 90 days. There's not a lot of grey area in there.

She was told wrong information the first time she went to the immigration office in January, She did NOT have the option to do 90 day reports at all. She either applied for an extension (for how ever long they will issue it for) or she would border-bounce.
Luke ******
That's the point, she does not want to do border bounces, she stated she went to local Immigration to try to extend one of these entries.

At least that's my understanding of her post.
Tod *********
the amount of extension she gets is totally tied to what ever it is she's doing here.

Holding an F visa is usually issued to embassy staff or people working for the Thai gov't in some fashion and they usually pull year extensions. not ones 90 days at a time. I don't know about her extension just how the visa she holds actually works.
Tod *********
she holds a visa that requires her to border-bounce every 90 days. She doesn't need an extension on that visa, (and if they're only willing to give her 90 days she shouldn't even waste the time doing it). She should just border bounce every 90 days for the next year.
Tod *********
I think you misunderstand how that visa actually works :(

A year long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type F visa is good for stays of 90 days at a time, then you border bounce <- go to a border, stamp out of thailand, stamp in&out of another country and stamp back into thailand to get another 90 day stamp. You do this for the validity of the visa (a year from the date it was issued). You can actually get 15 months of stay out of that visa if you time the bounces right.

The immigration office is wrong about the 90 day report part, :/ you do not have the ability to do a 90 day report because you can't be in the country longer than 90 days (that visa only stamps you in for 90 days each entry) and that means you never need to do a 90 day report.

You could get an extension of stay, when you have 30 days or less left on any of your 90 day entries BUT it would cancel that visa and you'd be stuck doing extensions instead of border-bouncing every 90 days
Tod *********
@Sta***
, yep, you were evidently told wrong.

If you can't get a yearly extension (which your employer is saying you can't) then you:

border-bounce every 90 days to get another 90 day stamp

OR you go to the immigration office and buy a 90 day extension for 1900baht AND a re-entry permit if you're going to travel within that 90 days too.

Those are the choices you have available.
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
I understand that at the end of my visa (November 2018), but I'm being told I need an extension of stay (or border bounce) when my 90 days is up (08 june).

I was under the impression I could border bounce or report to immigration every 90days, then need an extension of stay when my visa is due to expire so that I can stay in Thailand without having to go out the country & apply for a new visa?

Sorry, it's all very confusing.
Tod *********
@Li**
, she is ONLY being told by her employer that there is a policy change (often times that is something thaiz make up because they don't really know and saying they don't know causes face loss)
@Sta***
, I would make your employer go out to the immigration office with you and check to see whether you would get a year extension or only a 90 day one.

If it's just 90 days at a time I'd keep the visas you guys are on and border bounce.
Liam *****
Based on what you have said (and my experience) I think the immigration officials are wrong
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Yes, I had the same issue in Phuket last week coming from Malaysia, as I just have a regular passport. Both my immigration official and my the official my husband saw were totally baffled.
Liam *****
i.e. you shouldn't have to pay 1900b every time. That sounds wrong. The only cost with an F visa is the initial issuing of the visa if you don't have a diplomatic or official passport (which was the case for me).

I often found immigration officials confused my visa - having an F visa in a regular passport is quite rare, but entirely possible. I remember once arriving in Phuket from an international flight (where they have even less exposure to that) and it sparked an informal conference of about 12 immigration officials debating the legality of my visa.
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
No, I'm a permanent member of staff, so can stay here as long as I want (or immigration allow me)
Liam *****
btw, is your employment contract in order? That was the issue for me - when I was working as a short term consultant (still on an F visa) they were often cagey about extending....
Liam *****
@Stacey ******
Well, I was travelling all the time, so it was never an issue. However, you either border run or, as per your previous post, your admin staff should just extend you.
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Liam ****
, so what did you do every 90days?
Liam *****
@Stacey ******
I never needed to report on an F-Visa...
Stacey *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
I last entered Thailand on 11 March on this visa, stamped in until 08 June.

Up until now, staff from my office have been giving their passport/visa to our representative in the office to go to Immigration each 90days if they haven't left the country during this time & this has been free. Should this not have been happening?
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