What are the best visa options for a 67-year-old UK expat considering health insurance challenges in Thailand?

Jun 8, 2023
2 years ago
Peter ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Good morning everybody. Would just like some sensible advise on visas. I was all set to go the Elite visa route but was advised by a fellow member to seek advise on here. I am a U.K. passport holder, 67 years old. I know with some visas mandatory health insurance is required which is my problem. I have medication for high blood pressure and cholesterol. I looked at health insurance and was quoted just in excess of $1000 (usd) month and that excluded previous medical conditions. So a lot of money a month too exclude lots of medical conditions that you want cover for. I am in Thailand having just moved here from Vietnam. Any sensible advise would be much appreciated. I have a Thai wife but for reasons I won’t explain I do not want to go marriage visa route.
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An expat from the UK, 67 years old, seeks advice on visa options in Thailand, particularly in light of health insurance challenges due to pre-existing medical conditions. The community suggests pursuing a Non-O visa for retirees, which typically does not require health insurance and is easier to obtain compared to the Elite visa or marriage-based options. Many share personal experiences regarding insurance costs, noting high premiums and difficulty covering pre-existing conditions, stressing the importance of securing health insurance as soon as possible. Recommendations for specific insurance providers also emerge, with a caution against policies that provide inadequate coverage.
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Ralphy *****
Do you need health insurance for Non Immigrant Retirement O visa ? I got Retirement O visa in February 2023 without health insurance, applying for it again now in Australia and this time they want the health insurance ? Who does insurance for 90 days ?
Henrik ****
@Ralphy ****
, most Thai Embassies will require health insurance for any type of retirement visa. Most Immigrations (inside Thailand) won't require health insurance for a Non-O retirement visa.
Nick ****************
Check out liberty Medical. I am 72 high blood pressure and pay about $600 a year (23,000 baht). I used udon brokers.
Nick ****************
You can add her line.
Jeff **********
Nick, would You happen to have a 'link' to the website..?.. Thanks in advance
Nick ****************
Nick ****************
Robert **********
Most of the Thai individual health insurance you get is going to be useless. Besides excluding pre-existing conditions, look at the amount it pays for hospitalization per day. Usually to collect the full amount whether it’s 500,000 or 3 million baht maximum per year, you would have to be in the hospital for 365 days. Often what you were going to collect for major illness, is a little more than the premium you pay in a year, unfortunately, you may as well self – insure.
Brian ********
That seems really high for health insurance in Thailand. Does anyone have any reccomendations for him? Because 1000 buchs a month is definitely scam money.
Tom *********
@Brian *******
- I pay 2300 baht per month for full cover
Brian ********
@Tom ********
that sounds more like it.
Tom *********
@Brian *******
- Call Mark Freeman on 0634649855
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John ***********
@Brian *******
$US1000 a month with living expenses on top would make Thailand an expensive country to live in if free basic medical care is available in your home country.
Brian ********
@John **********
what I'm saying is medical insurance isn't that high in Thailand. You should buy it there.
Kev **********
I am 67 as others said go o visa. Want insurance try Axa
Nicholas *********
Any recommendations of visa agents in Udon Thani
Kev **********
@Nicholas ********
the visa agent in the car park at the back of the market...opposite Good days cafe supposed to be good.
Mark *********
Where are you located?

Assist Thai Visa in Chiang Mai is awesome

Rhys was extremely helpful for my situation. A good visa agent can explain your options and assist on the paperwork and opening a bank account. While it is possible to do all this on your own it’s nice to have it all taken care of for you as well. Been a few years so I’m not sure the charges
Yo ****
Yo ****
Retirement visa doesn't need health insurance. Just prepare 800,000 in your bank account then is done or use this agent for visa.
Leslie *********
Non O visa here in Thailand, 800,000 in the Bank for Retirement Visa pay someone to do the 90 day reporting almost as good as the Elite but the 800,000 is always yours. Don’t waste 600,000.

Lived here more than 10 years Visa issues can always be sorted here in this wonderful Country.
Joe *********
I got insurance two years ago at 68 for 110,000thb and pre existing was not covered for 3 years, no claims so amount stayed the same now not covered for one more year. I can continue it as long as I pay for it.
Peter ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Can you also pm me the insurers info please
Ruth *******
@Joe ********
I assume that’s for the year? Can you pm me the insurer’s info?
Ruth *******
@Joe ********
3 years is reasonable.
Joe ******
Just about insurance.

1. Don't think you'll find any insurance who will cover you for pre-existing conditions.

2. At our age it's already pretty difficult to find decent priced health cover and once you reach 70, virtually impossible.

3. Whatever way you chose for your visa, I strongly suggest to take out a health insurance asap, even if your pre-existing conditions are not covered. Once you've 70, it gets VERY expensive.

I use Pacific Cross and paid 48'000THB per year. (Started when I was 60). Premiums have gone down over the years but last year I was diagnosed with COPD and cancer and now my premiums are at 48'000THB. They also claimed I had pre-existing conditions ( which is a pile of bollocks) and so only paid just over 40% of the total costs. Without Insurance, I would be pretty f**kt as "going back home" after 40 years is no alternative.
Ruth *******
@Joe *****
in the U.S., almost everyone beyond a certain age has “high blood pressure” and “high cholesterol”. It’s part of the tendency toward medicating everything. I even had a doctor recently take me off cholesterol medication because she said mine was never that bad and certainly didn’t need to be medicated now. However, it’s still in my medical record. The idea that numerous other conditions would then not be covered while these conditions are controlled, just due to the craziness in the U.S. system is a bit absurd.
Joe ******
@Ruth ******
Pacific Cross insisted I had pre-existing conditions because I had Non Hodgkin's Disease 38 years ago. Been fine ever since and never had any other health issues.

Last year they said my COPD is due to me smoking in the past but that's why my premiums are higher then non smokers. Still, they refused to pay the whole costs.

They also insisted my cancer on the back of my throat last was due to smoking what was absolute crap as the diagnosis said clealy "Due to HPV" but try arguing with insurance. Even the Insurance Ombudsman has no say really. They recommend a course of action but then, it's still down to the insurance company if they want to comply or not. .....
Ruth *******
@Joe *****
pacific cross? Is that an insurer in Thailand? I’m still starting out. I’m coming in a few months. When I was looking at international insurance, one didn’t need to report medical conditions more than 10 years old. It’s interesting that cancer from over 30 years ago would be an issue. I’ll have the same as I had cancer many years ago.
Joe ******
@Ruth ******
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Ruth *******
@Joe *****
thank you…looks like they’re one to avoid.
Jeffrey ************
I'm 68 and decided to take the Elite route. However, I still have private health care cover.
Todd *********
@Jeffrey ***********
because of the insurance requirement?
Jeffrey ************
@Todd ********
No sweat/aggro on annual renewals and BKK vip track is always attractive.
Jeffrey ************
@Todd ********
There's no way I'd live here without health insurance.
Todd *********
@Jeffrey ***********
given that you had the insurance requirement, why choose elite (at great cost) over LTR, O-X or just use an agent?
Peter ********
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@Jeffrey ***********
and if I could get private health cover at a sensible rate or that didn’t exclude everything related to high blood pressure and cholesterol I would
Henrik ****
@Peter *******
, try look here:
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Henrik ****
@Peter *******
, it should be possible to get health insurance qualifying for a Non-O or Non-OA for less than 1,000 USD annually.
Ralphy *****
@Henrik ***
who in Thailand has the cheapest 90 days insurance for Retirement O. Because I'll be buying travel insurance in Australia which is more reliable/higher benefits/pre existing etc
John **********
I would suggest getting a Non-O based on being over 50. Less hassle than the marriage visa, a lot cheaper than the elite visa and no insurance requirement. You can apply for it inside Thailand, you just need to transfer 800k baht into a bank account in your name from overseas. You need 15 days left (21 in a couple of places) on your current permission to stay to apply. This gets you a 90 day Non-O visa and when you have less than 30 days left on that you apply for a 12 month extension. The 800k must be in your account for 2 months before applying for the extension and 3 months after then can't drop below 400k before being brought up to 800k again 2 months before the next extension application.
Nicholas *********
@John *********
Hi John can I get 90 non O using 65k plus a month for last 12 months
John **********
@Nicholas ********
no you need to transfer in 800k from overseas to get a Non-O inside Thailand, you also need the 800k for your first extension then the next extension you can use the 65k method. Unless you are from one of the countries whose embassy issues an income affidavit then you use that
John **********
I see that the Sydney consulate says you need health insurance for a Non-O visa based on being over 50, but you can easily acquire this visa inside Thailand and no health insurance is required. If you don't want the insurance just come in on a tourist visa, open a bank account, transfer in 800k from overseas and apply for the visa at your local immigration office inside Thailand. You'll need 15 days left (21 in a couple of places) on your stamp to apply. Go to the local immigration office shortly after you arrive and ask them for the requirements as every office is slightly different.
Colin *********
@John *********
thanks John, I thought that the retirement visa might be an option from within Thailand.
Colin *********
@John *********
do the Non-O Retirement Visas have different requirements depending on which country you're from regarding Health Insurance? I'm looking ahead a couple of years for myself at either a Retirement or Marriage Visa (have a Thai Ladyfriend who I intend to ask to marry me in the near future). As an Australian, I'm looking at the website of the Royal Thai Consulate-General, Sydney. On that website there is a health insurance requirement for all three Non-O based Retirement Visas of at least 400k THB. A Spouse Visa has no health insurance requirement.
Mark ********
@Colin ********
Not really... you're confusing a NonOA with an O....no requirement for health insurance on O but you can't get at an embassy (for retirement)
John **********
@Mark *******
you can get an O for retirement at an embassy and that embassy can define their own criteria. The Sydney one requires insurance to issue it but wouldn't be needed for an extension
Mark ********
@Colin ********
Health requirements are for OA not O
John **********
@Mark *******
each embassy can have its own requirements just as each immigration office can. Sydney appears to require health insurance for a Non-O based on retirement
Peter ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@John *********
thanks guys but the problem there is I have trawled around banks and been refused by all
Bo *******
@Peter *******
in Bangkok too if you do by the rules…
Dan ********
@Peter *******
You’ll find one that says yes eventually,or if you don’t want the hassle just get an agent to sort it out for you,quick,cheap and stress free.
Michael ***********
Just came back from Kasikornthai and BKK Bank, they will open an acount with proof of residence from immigration. No problem
Brandon ************
@Michael **********
it's a problem in Bangkok because you cannot get a residence certificate from immigration as a tourist
Henrik ****
@Brandon ***********
, yes, in Phuket it is said to be very easy even staying at a hotel.
Brandon ************
@Henrik ***
yes very easy in Phuket and Chiang Mai and many other places
John **********
@Peter *******
you just need to persist. Take a Thai along to vouch for you tooo
Steve **********
@John *********
absolutely agree !
Russell *******
What about non o retirement? You don't need health insurance and you apply in Thailand. You need funds in bank and other simple paperwork.
Peter ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Russell ******
been refused at all the banks I have tried
Russell *******
@Peter *******
That's normal, it just need to keep trying. Where are you, as someone maybe about the suggest a branch. There's also the option of getting a agent to open account for you. 5000 baht I think I have seen posted on here
Clint *********
@Russell ******
where can I find an agent to set up a bank account? So I don't get scammed
Shaun ********
@Clint ********
Rico Visa Pattaya first class ag8
Russell *******
@Clint ********
I don't know as I have never used a agent but I have seen them advertise on the Facebook pages . Maybe ask Thai visa center
Peter ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Russell ******
I live at Ratchada if anyone has bank suggestions please. Any recommendations on an agent to use?
Russell *******
@Peter *******
sure a someone will suggest a agent, if not search files in this group.
Henrik ****
@Peter *******
, the usual trick for opening a bank account is to get a Residence Certificate at Immigration. In Phuket, it is said to be possible to get even staying at a hotel...
John ********
@Peter *******
Bangkok bank is good

I would suggest that you come to Bangkok and go to the silom Rd were the main Bangkok bank in Thailand is as 90% of the smaller branches are to scared to do the paperwork
Clint *********
@John *******
is this the bank? The reviews are terrible
John ********
@Clint ********
well I had no problem with the opening of a bank account
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