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Should I cancel my retirement extension before applying for a DTV visa in Laos?

Stephan ******
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After careful consideration, I have decided to go down the route of getting a DTV, purely because it's 5 years and I can return to work (working remotely in Thailand, for a non-Thai company).

Currently, I am on the retirement extension issued in Chiang Mai. I emailed the Thai Embassy Vientiane with some questions, one of which was to ask if I should cancel this before applying with them for the DTV, they said no need to. - Should I trust this feedback or cancel the extension before going to Laos?
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The user is considering transitioning from a retirement extension to a DTV visa, which allows remote work in Thailand for a non-Thai company. They are unsure about whether to cancel their existing retirement extension before applying for the DTV visa in Laos, and have received ambiguous guidance from the Thai Embassy in Vientiane.
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Mike ******
Mike ******
Dtv

.is a tourist visa..if you wish to work in thailand you will need a work permit and b visa or if marriage to a thai 0 visa

You will need to renew every year
จอห์นนี่ *******
จอห์นนี่ *******
It will be interesting to see how everything falls into place. So many unknowns (due to immigration officers interpretations).
Andy ************
Andy ************
@จอห์นนี่ ******
The DTV is issued by Ministry of Foreign Affairs, not Thai immigration. All the immigration officer does is apply the 180-day stamp at the airport
Andy ************
Andy ************
There'll be no "retirees" left in Thailand within a year. They'll all be "digital nomads". I'm jumping onto the bandwagon early next year! No more requirement to transfer money from overseas, so absolutely zero tax issues!
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Mike *****
Yep. The best visa ever for Thailand. Easy to get, easy to maintain. The non-O retirement visa is a relic from the past
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Andy ***********
for me it was even easier to get than a 60 day tourist visa..
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Mike *****
In your case the DTV wouldn't work. I'm in and out continuously so for me it's absolutely brilliant!
Bob **********
Bob **********
@Andy ***********
your admitting to Thailand that you’ll be working from within Thailand how do you think the tax thing will go
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Bob *********
It's a digital nomad visa, of course you're working from within Thailand! 😂😂😂
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Bob *********
I pay taxes in Australia, not in Thailand
Bob **********
Bob **********
@Andy ***********
so will you pay taxes??
Christopher *********
Christopher *********
@Bob *********
sign up for the soft DTV visa which can be medical treatment or gym.

Doesn't show income
Radost **************************
Radost **************************
@Bob *********
bullshit, don't spread lies. If you have the visa you don't have to show anything anymore
Bob **********
Bob **********
@Christopher ********
yes but you can’t do medical treatment or cooking school and expect to enter and exit Thailand for 5 years you’ll need a new itinerary and probably show the 500k
John **********
John **********
@Andy ***********
what will you live on?
Andy ************
Andy ************
@John *********
Transfer officially an amount under the tax-free threshold, any extra bring in cash. Unlike the stupid non-O retirement visa there's no requirement to show international transfers. The DTV is the best ever visa for retirees. It'll put many visa agents out of business, as there's no bribes required
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Andy ***********
I also like the DTV, I already got it, but I still work 3 days a week. I am 64 and could apply for retirement visa, but that seems more difficult because I need to be in Thailand at the moment of extension, and I need to pay embassy each yer for affidavit for my income. DTV is a lot cheaper in 5 years and since I also spend about half my time in Netherlands, this is the best solution for me. It is cheaper than 5 years multi entry visa 180 days and more flexibel. After 5 years when I am retired I might think about your construction.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Luit ****************
Yes, it suits retirees who travel frequently such as myself. I'm in and out of Thailand like a yo-yo, probably four times a year, so each time I re-enter I get a fresh 180 day stamp, which means I won't have to visit an immigration office for five years. I have a registered "business" - costs about $80 a year in Australia, and I will employ myself to manage my property and sharemarket portfolios. It'll take about 30 mins a week - but there's no stipulation on how much time you have to be "working". My business will pay me a salary to do this, so I'm an employee of my own business. If anyone needs to see property and sharemarket accounts, they're readily available, and my business will provide me with a payslip. Very simple
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Andy ***********
but you have to leave Thailand at least once a year, and also not everybody is digital nomad. Depending on the country you apply for DTV there are requirements to prove you are digital nomad.
Iain *********
Iain *********
@Andy ***********
if you're from a country that has a dual tax agreement with Thailand and you have paid the tax due at home you don't have to pay tax a second time when you send it to Thailand even if you declare it.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@John *********
You're probably the only one in Thailand! 😂😂😂
John **********
John **********
@Andy ***********
your choice. I prefer to be legal
Andy ************
Andy ************
@John *********
You realise around 50% of retirees in Thailand already pay bribes to immigration officers? That's pretty illegal, but no-one cares. Prostitution and vaping is also illegal in Thailand. No-one cares. There's no way of tracing cash so bring on the investigators! I'll have the coffee and donuts waiting for them! 😂
John **********
John **********
@Andy ***********
illegal though
Andy ************
Andy ************
@John *********
Cash is not traceable. It's worked for decades. If someone is silly enough to declare it, I guess that's their issue! 😂
John **********
John **********
@Andy ***********
I'm on a non-o and have no need to show international transfers, and I've never used an agent nor paid a bribe. It makes no difference how you bring income into Thailand, you still need to declare it if you fit the requirements for completing a tax return
Shannon ********
Shannon ********
@Andy ***********
let's see.. I seriously doubt people staying longer than 180 days will not get taxed in Thailand when it's all said and done. Thailand's not stupid. Nomads have been skirting the laws for yrs with taxes.
Iain *********
Iain *********
@Shannon *******
for most people from the 60 countries that Thailand has a dual tax agreement with the 180 days just means you need to file a tax report.

For a minority of people that will then mean you pay income tax in Thailand instead of at home.

For a very few people it'll identify tax evasion back home.

Very rarely will it lead to incpme tax being due in both countries.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Shannon *******
Yep... the rule is actually pretty clear... staying inside the country more than 180 days per tax year, doesn't matter what kind of visa, doesn't matter how many times you come and go.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Stephan **********
It's always been that way. No change to the 180-day rule
John **********
John **********
When you talk about remote work are you physically working outside that or are you working remotely from Thailand?
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
I don't believe you even can cancel a retirement extension. The only way to "cancel" is to leave the country without a re-entry permit. You will even be fine if you get a re-entry permit and go to the embassy to apply. If you are issued a new visa, it will negate your previous extension.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Brandon ***********
That's for sure? So... to buy a re-entry permit would be the "safety"... just in cases one don't get the DTV, right?
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Stephan **********
If you don't want to risk losing what you have if DTV is rejected yes. But not applicable to everyone, for example people in Thailand as tourists wouldn't make sense to get a re-entry permit.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Stephan **********
Things are so in flux I don't think anyone get any solid answers except from the embassy themselves, and then unless you're applying shortly after getting that answer, it could change by the time you show up to apply.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Brandon ***********
Okay... good point. For me not a real problem (800k), but it may be for others, right.

Do you have any insight into the soft power options accepted in Laos or Cambodia? Just by chance...?
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Stephan **********
seems Laos started requiring 6 months of bank statements so Cambodia may be easier. Except they have a 6 day processing time for visas.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Brandon ***********
Sounds good, thanks. What I see from the posts... Laos seems to be the most "relaxed" place at the moment to get the DTV. So yes, could be the first choice.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Stephan **********
Yes you could hedge your bet that way. But it would require planning ahead as you cannot purchase a re-entry permit at a land border if you were planning to go to Laos by land.
Stephan ***********
Stephan ***********
@Brandon ***********
Um... tourists and re-entry permits...? Why would they...? My question was actually related to the OP, so also to the retirement extension. Sorry... forgot to mention it...
Stephan ******
Stephan ******
OP
@Brandon ***********
Many thanks, just needed that extra clarification.

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