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Should I apply for the DTV visa now, or will the rules become more restrictive later?

Prince ********
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Considering applying to DTV and wondering if folks feel like I should do it sooner rather than later; basically wondering if you feel the DTV rules will change to be more restrictive?
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This discussion explores the timing of applying for Thailand's DTV visa amidst speculations of potential changes to visa regulations. While some users believe the rules might tighten or become more expensive, others argue that the Thai government benefits from a steady influx of foreigners. The consensus leans towards applying sooner for security, as past experiences suggest that restrictions often increase. Commenters have shared insights about recent shifts in the issuance of various visas, particularly noting increased scrutiny and documentation requirements at embassies.
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Anita ********
Anita ********
Living life a day at a time. Lol.
Ray *****
Ray *****
Everyone saying they will tighten it up it's too easy are not considering maybe they want to make it easy?

More people living in and spending money in Thailand helps Thailand.

Maybe I'm being very optimistic but I think there is a plan to get as many people as possible.

Re taxes , it may happen, they do struggle to tax Thai's so the taxing of foreigners will be a long long road as most do not even have a tax ID.

Enjoy it for what it is until it could change. Then make plans if you need to
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Ray ****
Yep, agreed. I think the tax thing will take years to pan out. Nothing much to worry about for now.

They do want to bring people in and will bring more foreigners in, even if Thais don't necessarily like it.

Thailand is part of the WEF after all.

However, they will also tighten up on the criteria needed to apply for visas, including the DTV.
Brian *********
Brian *********
While no one can be sure, consensus seems to be it will tighten up…

I can already sense the embassy I’ve applied at is more cautious based on the questions they’ve asked me, than with people who applied there 2 months ago
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Brian ********
Same in Taipei. Already people are being asked to have their account balances updated on the day they apply. When I applied, having a balance or statement from 1 week ago was fine (although I think I brought along an updated balance from either the previous day or 2 days prior) but this was not requested.
Phil ***********
Phil ***********
Just got yelled at and window closed. Dental dtv I not a thing it does not exist in the world. Docs not read or considered
Phil ***********
Phil ***********
Yes the man in front of me had a really corporate and full on set of hr docs and a lot of stuff and he needed to go away and get more things confirmed at embassies and so on. Thanks for the info
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Phil **********
Ah yes, they're apparently requiring certain documents to be notarized by your embassy, which is even more absurd.
John *******
John *******
@Phil **********
which embassy?
Phil ***********
Phil ***********
@John ******
savannakhet Laos. It's the worst I've ever had it. Shocking and surprising and flat refusal to help with questions
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Phil **********
Savannakhet is developing a pretty bad reputation these days. It used to be the "go to" place, especially for multiple entry marriage visas, but in the space of a few months, they went from not requiring financials (the status quo that had been in effect for many years), to requiring financials but deposited recently being OK, to requiring them to be deposited in a Thai account for 2 months prior to application. This all happened between late October 2023 and early 2024.

They're proving to be tough as nails for the DTV as well, requesting lengthy periods of funds being banked, notarized documents and a whole list of other things.
Sue **********
Sue **********
@Phil **********
should have done an Evisa perhaps? I got approved on dental through Hanoi using an evisa. A friend went to the embassy itself in Hanoi & was told evisa approval was done in Bangkok.
Samantha **********
Samantha **********
Fact is, no one knows.

So your choices are:

Do it now

Don’t do it now and hope they don’t change the rules later.

It’s that simple… I think.
Neil ******
Neil ******
I think they will make it more expensive, ive got it for £250 i think it was. Valid for 5 years. I used to pay 200 a year for a multiple entry valid for a year.

I think it will drastically go up or they are expecting to make money taxing people who are here over 6 months
Greg ********
Greg ********
@Neil *****
I think we have to wait and see about taxation. A good indicator will be all those on O Visas who should be submitting tax returns in March 2025 who have never done it before. As for DTVs and tax Thai friends think there should have been a minimum income per month. I doubt they have the systems in place for that though.
Charles **********
Charles **********
Thailand has sold out to WEF, just check news articles coming out each day (selling land to foreigners, climate change initiatives, LGBTIQAAB, digital handout schemes….all ridicolous things we are seeing happening worldwide. Also like unrolled migration to England and America)

Personally I think the “Thai government” want as many foreigners to flood in Thailand as possible for hmmm reasons which are not so obvious

So yeah…I don’t think they will change the requirements
David ******
David ******
I believe sooner is always better with this.
Greg ********
Greg ********
Well they are pretty easy now. "IF" the do change it can only be to tighten up and be more restrictive.
Jon **********
Jon **********
I think it will change. Particularly for soft power visas. To get a 5 year visa for a 1 month cooking course, or a hospital appointment doesn’t really make sense 🤔
Sue **********
Sue **********
@Jon *********
think of people with the need for extensive health issues & how much money they will spend over 5 years
Mo ******
Mo ******
@Jon *********
it makes more sense for the digital nomads route I think to get a 5 year visa
Uwe ****
Uwe ****
@Mo *****
A mistake is to apply commonsense to Thai bureaucray 😁
Andi ***********
Andi ***********
it will undoubtedly change to what extent no can really say. If you are eligible, go for it. It is valid for 5 years.
Andy ************
Andy ************
Unlikely to change. Thailand sometimes "tweaks" visa requirements but not any great degree.
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Andy ***********
Yes, same for me and many others married to Thais and having Thai families (and working for non-Thai entities) or retirees.

I just wish there was a better visa for those married to Thais (and retirees).

Even the exact same length and period of stay as the DTV except with the option of working in Thailand (no employment prohibited remarks).
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Andy ***********
Yes because the Thai government (the MOFA) isn't prioritizing expats but trying to boost tourism numbers. The DTV is a decent visa but it's still basically a long term tourist visa not a residency visa.

The 90 day marriage visa continues to be available. It's the 12 month versions with a 90 day stay on each entry that are being phased out. The financial criteria for those is 400,000 in the bank but can be a foreign bank account if you apply at a Thai mission abroad..

It's dealing with in country immigration that is a pain as not only those married to Thais can attest to, but also retirees and other long-stay expats including those who work in the Kingdom holding a work permit.

I hope in future, longer term extensions become available for each of these 3 categories and not only very restricted ones such as the Smart Visa, which offers a lengthier stay than the normal non-B.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Paul ******
You don't have to tell me about the pedantic practices at immigration offices. They are the 80% reason I'm switching to DTV. Although for me there's several other reasons, including much cheaper over the five year period but the opportunity to not visit an immigration office for five years is too good to pass over
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Andy ***********
They should offer citizenship to those married to Thais and have children after x number of years, not immediately (as they do or used to do, when the foreign spouse was a woman).

I think it's fair to say that a foreigner married to a local has more of a right to be here than a DTV holder who has no connection to Thailand.

Don't get me wrong - I am all for the DTV but immigration should be looking after those who integrate into society and contribute the most, rather than just trying to boost tourism numbers.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Paul ******
It's true what you say, but as I said before, many foreigners with Thai families don't spend that much time in the country. There would have to be some sort of residency "test". One guy I know has a wife and two kids here, but only sees them for three months of the year. So I don't believe 15 months over a five year period should qualify someone for citizenship. No foreigner has any "right" to be here, it's whether they meet the requirements of the respective visa surely?
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Paul ******
I didn't say they didn't. I said there were many who didn't see their families for long periods. There's no way there could be a blanket citizenship for all those married to a Thai. This would create an unwieldy situation for Thai immigration as there would be an avalanche of bogus marriages
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Andy ***********
You're making a strange assumption. I know of many foreigners married to Thais who live with their families in Thailand as they should.
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Andy ***********
Well, they haven't introduced 5, let alone 10 year visas for those married to Thais and the much hailed 3 year or 10 year retirement visas don't seem to exist anywhere but on some embassy websites.

Of course they could introduce any number of new visa schemes, but sadly, none seem to be made with those in mind who have the most right to be in Thailand: those with Thai families.

Why are they only granted 1 year extensions of stay?

Surely, short of offering citizenship automatically after several years of marriage, they could introduce a 5 or 10 year multiple entry visa with a 1 year stay on each entry, only a 12 monthly reporting requirement (or none at all) and showing 800,000 or 1 million Baht in the bank?
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Paul ******
Now we've entered the "should" zone instead of the "might" category. Yes, there's obviously scope to make things easier for long-term expats but these clunky old visas have been in place for many years with their pedantic requirements. The OX and LTR visas have made life easier for many, but I agree there's scope for more. As far as the "family" visas go, why should they be offering citizenship? How solid are many of these marriages. I know of guys who come to Thailand maybe three months of the year to visit their families. They spend more time away from them than with them. I'm sure Thai immigration is well aware of these strange situations and why offer citizenship to someone who's spent probably no more than 15 months in a five year period in the country, has never worked in Thailand, and never paid tax in Thailand. I can't see that ever happening
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Paul ******
The DTV was a covid initiative, the same as the "covid extensions" and 45 days visa exempt. When introduced they all had an expiry date, unlike the DTV which doesn't. The 90-day marriage visa wasn't widely available and enabled by passing financial criteria. Surely if you're supporting a family in Thailand you should show you have the funds to do this. I don't know much about elite visas, but these are not administered by MFA or RTP so are a different topic altogether. I'm merely referring to the more popular and widely available visas. I don't see much change to DTV and I do see more retirees and marrieds moving onto this in the future
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Andy ***********
And just on the visa matter - there are many schemes that are temporary or no longer available. Don't make the assumption they can't or won't do this to the DTV.

In no particular order, the following has happened over the years:

1. Special tourist visa - only available from late 2021 to late 2022 (for one year) in order to boost tourism as Thailand slowly started reopening at the end of the Covid restrictions.

2. Privilege visas- still available but their validity has been changed and prices increased.

3. Permanent residency visas- you used to be able to request one from a Thai mission abroad. This is no longer possible.

4. Multiple entry business and marriage visas - being phased out with the introduction of e-visas. Now only Laos (and a couple of others) remaining. Once they transition to the e-visa, it will be single entry only, meaning in country extensions of stay, which for some of those married to Thais can be complicated if they don't have 400,000 sitting around in a Thai account for 2 months before application. They can always use an agent but that comes with its own set of risks.

5. 45 day visa free entry- reverted back to 30 days after 6 months. Is now at 60 days since July, but this won't last either. They'll change it back to the old status quo, probably sometime next year.
Paul *******
Paul *******
@Andy ***********
They might make the soft power option more restrictive in future. For digital nomads, not likely to change much.
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Paul ******
"Might"? They "might" make it easier. They "might" make the visa 10-years. The world "might" end next week. I was going by past experience with Thai visas. They've never brought in a visa and then made widespread changes. A few have had minor "tweaks". Having said that it's so easy to be a digital nomad I'm surprised that everyone is not becoming a "remote worker". I know three guys personally who were previously on non-O retirement visas and hadn't worked in ten years or more, and are suddenly now digital nomads at 75+ years of age. We had to show one guy how to upload a video to YouTube so he could claim being a "content creator". It's just so funny!
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Luit ****************
It's the most useless word in the English language, because it's totally misleading
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Andy ***********
might is a mighty word
Andy ************
Andy ************
@Luit ****************
There's that word again, "might" - I've got another one "might not" 😂😂😂😂😂
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Andy ***********
And exactly that practice of remote workers not really working applying for this visa might make it necessary to have some tweaks, allthough not easy, but they might ask to show foreign income.
Klaus ***********
Klaus ***********
That’s always advisable. Rules change monthly if not more frequently in this part of the world. Fast life.

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