Is it worth using a visa agency for visa renewals in Thailand?

Oct 24, 2020
4 years ago
David **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
For more than 3 decades I have lived in Thailand and not-so-patiently endured the trials of yearly visa renewal. Through the years I have had different kinds of visas and for the last several years my wife and I have been on retirement visas. I have always dreaded the experience of visa renewal and interacting with immigration offices. Depressing, frustrating and emotionally stressful.

But because I speak the language and I am a baht-pinching miser, I have always braved the mountains of paper work, waiting in long lines and large amounts of wasted time by doing it myself. No lawyers or visa agencies for this hard-headed farang! After all, when my number one concern is how much money I can save, 1,900 baht for a year long retirement visa is a sweet deal. (And yes, I do have to have 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account, but at least that is still MY money.)

But recently I have begun to reconsider my miserly position toward visa renewal. Near the latter part of last year my youngest daughter returned to Thailand. (She is an adult who holds a USA passport.) She came into Thailand on a tourist visa intending to do “border runs” whenever she needed to extend her time in Thailand. But as you all know, the covid shut downs have put an end to border runs.

So to make a long story short, she decided to go with a visa agency in order to be able to stay long term in Thailand. She paid an agency 60,000 baht and received a 15 month visa. At first I thought that she had more money than good sense. But as I have looked at what was involved, I am beginning to change my mind.

The ONLY thing she had to do was give her passport and one photo to the visa agency. (Along with the 60,000 baht.) And after that, the agency did EVERYTHING. They did it quickly and very efficiently. No mountains of paper work. No running here and there trying to get the correct forms. No signing piles of papers over and over again. No waiting in any lines. No travel expense or wasted time. No stressful interaction with immigration officers. I never knew getting a visa could be so effortless Amazing.

I will most likely continue doing my visa renewals on my own and pay only 1,900 baht per year for my visa. But I will never again think that using a visa agency is a foolish or “not cost effective” idea. Of course it is a subjective call for each person to decide if it is “worth it” or not. But if you can easily afford the cost of a visa agency, you may end up saving yourself a world of hassle by doing it the “easy” way.

Just wanted to share my latest visa experience with all of you. Cheers.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The post discusses the author's long-term experiences with visa renewals in Thailand, particularly focusing on the transition from DIY visa management to potentially using a visa agency. While the author has traditionally handled the paperwork alone to save money, the smooth and hassle-free experience of their daughter's use of a visa agency (for 60,000 baht for a 15-month Non-O visa) has prompted the author to reconsider their stance. Commenters share their own experiences, highlighting both the benefits and potential pitfalls of using agents, suggesting that it ultimately depends on individual circumstances and preferences.
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Daniel ******
Had never any problems for yearly extensions with HH Immigration. Passport copy and bank statement. Wait only 20 - 30 minutes. No brainer.
Todd *********
@Daniel *****
leave your 800k at home. Makes at least 5% which is 40k annually. More than covers the agency 16k. And 24k left in your pocket. That’s the no-brainer
Frank **********
60k baht for a visa, screw that.
Ken ******
where to find the agency? with address in bangkok?
マレー *****
Wow that’s crazy. The 800k is money you can still use during the year?
Dean *****************
Thanks for sharing bud
Janin ******
But...also a lot of scammers are active....you have to find out which of them have the approval of the government. There are honderds of them illegal, how to find out?....till the police look at your papers....than you know!
Michelangelo **********
Agendy will sort everything hassle free. Theres a reason why people pay them...
Oliver *************
Agree While was Married and Had Married Visa for Ten Years which i always did with the Wife After the Divorce i Opted for a Agency For my First Retirement Visa and Yes the Stress Levels Where so low Compared to before
Ralph ***********
I made my very first one-year retirement visa in Chaengwattana with the help of an agency for 300 USD. Fast lane, 1 hour, while others had to wait all day. Now I live in Tak Province and do it my self. Easy.
Helena *****
@Ralph ******
hi Ralph by any chance do you still have that agent contact for the fast lane ?
Ralph ***********
@Helena ****
I sent you a pm. The group rules do not allow me to promote a visa service. I sent you the link to their website.

Ask them first for a quote. I did it 4 yeras ago, so prices may have changed.
Helena *****
@Ralph ******
Tks lot 🙏
Mick *********
After 10 years of getti g a retiremenr visa every year,This year,now toldmy embassy in canada my visa NO GOOD!,AND Have to pay and change to marriage visa,well,my visa cost 12k last February.Because of all the red tape and anti farang,Im going esle where despite still having several million baht in Thai Bank.They dont want my money,They can suffer! GO somewhere esle Their 150 other countries...
Mike ********
@Mick ********
so true Mick. Fuck that shit hole!
Kool *******
@Mick ********
, visa extensions only cost bt1900, so it sounds like you got caught trying to scam the system.
Frederick *********
I too do the renewal of my retirement extension each year at the Bangkok CW immigration, aided by my long term Thai partner. This is one of the busiest, if not the busiest in the country. It’s the one day each year, which despite my partners invaluable assistance, I find frustrating, annoying at times and a pain in the butt to put it mildly. As I said it’s only one day per year, and this is what I keep telling myself as that time of the year approaches. Despite the one stressful day involved, there is no way I would ever part company with my passport to anyone, let alone any of the companies claiming 100% success. My passport is worth a lot more to me than spending just one stressful day each year at immigration.
William *******
Depends on how much money you have and whether or not you can waste the time. I haven’t gone to an agency but my friends that do can’t afford to waste a few hours and let their agents do the work and think that something is wrong with me.
Eugene *********
Go to Maha Sarakham for my 90 day report 30 minutes tops marriage visa takes less than 3 hours that’s going to bank then to immigration and the people there are Great.
Gerhard ***********
@Eugene ********
do it on line takes less then 5 mins for 90 day reporting
Daniel ******
Getting a bank statement and passing at immigration takes me maximum 2 hours.

Paying 60’000 THB for 2 hours work, I prefer spendind that money on golf courses or fancy restaurants. If you have your act together you do not need a visa agency. Only for
Burnard ************
@Daniel *****
That is where you should spend it!

But the truth is is is to damn hard for people without the money in the bank.

You should be spending that money elsewhere also.

Instead of the Thai Banks losing it on Chinese projects that don't pan out or keeping Thai Airways afloat.
Ken ***********
The biggest concern is if the agency stamp is legitimate. What if there is a crackdown and the stamp is found to be illegitimate ?

Secondly, I have an aversion to supporting corruption.
Pete ********
Whenever I needed to, I've always used an agent. And I've never had any problems.
เด่ ******
They make it stressfull and difficult because they want you guys (all falang no exeption) go to visa agency. Why ? Because that way they will also earn money.
Kool *******
You truly are clueless as to how things work in Thailand. You seem to be severely upset because someone else can afford to hire someone to wait in line for them, and make a profit doing it. There are not extra people jumping the queue ahead of you, which would be grounds for being upset. You are stressed out because that same person didn't wait in line like you did, and hired someone to do it for him. He did not jump ahead in the queue. He simply gave someone a job, and paid them. Why are you stressing out over that. Is it because you can not afford to do the same thing, or is it plain jealousy. Oh, and the copy shops at CW charge bt3 a copy, not bt4000...lolol.
Kool *******
@Tae ******
, I find just the opposite. The only inconvenience is the queue. Every immigration officer I have ever dealt with has been very nice and accommodating, and very helpful through any problems, even going out of their way to help. They do not make it stressful.
เด่ ******
@Kool ******
that is exactly the problem. You see the problem with your eyes yourself. The queue. Do you still believe that they have no clue to defeat it once for all if they want ? 😆. I woud be naiv if i believe that.
Kool *******
@Tae ******
, you see a problem. I see them trying to accommodate all the people they have to deal with, and a number of them are arrogant idiots that have no clue, yet think they are somehow more privileged than others.
เด่ ******
@Kool ******
no you are absolutely wrong. I don't need to pay that because i don't need to go to immigration The point is, that you can't see the relationship between that. Something that is corruption you called job ? sorry but you are very unique ! I think you won't find something like that in your country and every body knows whats there going on !

not all people, but in your case , you would only understand this if you were born here.
Kool *******
@Tae ******
, hiring someone to wait in line for you is not corruption. Hiring someone to go to a corrupt immigration officer to issue a visa you are not entitled to, that is corruption. You hire a taxi driver to take you someplace instead of walking. Is that corruption. If you do not need to go to immigration then how do you even know what happens at ChiangWattana? From your statement, you have never been there, or dealt with immigration at all. People in my home country make a business out of simply waiting in line for other people, and do it regularly. It is a legal business in big cities, just as it is a legal business here.
เด่ ******
@Kool ******
i told you already you don't understand how it works. You think positive but false positive. I can't explain all to you because we are not on the same boat and you won't get it at all.
Kool *******
@Tae ******
, you actually have never been to ChaingWattana immigration have you. From the looks of it you don't even live in Thailand.
เด่ ******
@Kool ******
Mr. you are so confuse. I have no time for you now. i must go demo
Kool *******
@Tae ******
, I just returned from there....lolol. Not so many people today
Burnard ************
@Kool ******
That has not been my experience. Not at Chaengwattana, nor, especially, at the airport.

Also, they sometimes raid these agencies to make an example. You are just a customer, you don't know, usually. But they come down harder on the Farang customer.
Kool *******
@Burnard ***********
, I deal with CW, and that is the one I am referencing. I have also dealt with ChomChri Square, and they have always been very friendly. At the airport it has never been any problem. Present passport, look at the camera, stamp my passport, and done in less than few minutes. Just normal non-stress assembly line experience. I have never had any problems, of them coming down hard, and I have never seen that happening, except one time when they checked every passport coming off a flight, then took two younger passengers away for trying to smuggle drugs into Thailand, but that is the only time I have seen them agressive.
Burnard ************
@Kool ******
You and I have had different experiences.
Greg ******
Getting a visa some be as easy as showing a passport and walking away. The immigration agent should find the correct visa.
Tod *********
FAIL :(
Bee *****
Thank you for sharing this personal experience
Vic *********
I don't have the patience for their petty demands and inconsistent rules. I pay an agent. I work, my time and lowered blood pressure are well worth the expense.
Bo **********
Hi evryhhody!

Intresting to follow all your comments on this issue.When reading all agencies,lawfirms etc advertising on the net I sometimes think about their legal right to operate the way they do.If they are certified,by which authority?
นาย ***********
This agent is very helpful in Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai and Phrayao:
@https://www.facebook.com/CR-VI*******************************
James **********
I just paid 9k for an agent to sort out a marriage visa for me. Paying 60 k they must of had to something underhand to get what you wanted.
James **********
David Broadfoot It didn’t seem a lot but then I didn’t shop around
Tod *********
The person did not meet the requirements to get any other visa type issued in country AND they got not only a 90 day Non-O visa but a year extension added on.

Just an observation but paying 9K baht to "sort out" a marriage visa sounds a lot like you didn't meet the requirements either..

Pot/kettle and all. :P  
James **********
I have everything to do it legally
Wayne ********
i understand and this is why i took TE it’s not for all as expensive but limits any further hassles with immigration ...
Alice ********
I know a guy that will do it for 20k
Steve **********
@Alice ********
do it yourself for 2000. Which includes grab fare.
Alice ********
Hahahahahaha
Rao **********
@Alice ********
send me agnt number
Tod *********
I believe you're mistaken
@Alice ********
and while you might indeed get either a year extension OR a 90 day non-O visa for 20K what you're not gonna get is a 90 day Non-O AND a year extension tacked on for that price :P
Alice ********
@Tod ********
glad I have a non b
Richard *****
2000 compaired to
*****
❗❗❗🤔🤔
Tod *********
pay attention now. This person had a 30 day visa exempt entry stamp and then got a 90 day Non-O visa (which does sell at the immigration office for 2000 baht IF you can meet the requirements to get it issued inside the country; which they could NOT) and then they got a year extension added to that (which does sell for 1900baht IF you can meet the requirements to get it issued; which they could NOT) so they got 15 months of stay
Richard *****
@Tod ********
dont understand cant be bothered as much as you to write a story
Tod *********
@Richard ****
well there you go (y)
Richard *****
@Tod ********
short and sweet😂🤣😂
Bob **********
60,000 she's nuts
เอ็ดเวิร์ด *******
I got tired of your whining after the first two paragraphs and quit reading
Francisco *******
These officers don't realize that the foreigner brings money into Thailand thereby contributing to the economy. But people who go to agents are indirectly raising the price which the agent charges.
Chaz ************
I have a number of friends who use agents for its ease of use but I must admit all are paying considerably less than 60,000. From memory there paying about 30,000. Thats in Pattaya and I'm guessing there's plenty of competition with different agents there.
Pierre ****************
Pattaya 15 Month visa non O + 1 year multiple entry cost =
*****
Martin **********
@Chaz ***********
I payed 22.000 Bht in Pattaya.
Pierre ****************
@Martin *********
Yes it is also
*****
(pattaya agent)
Rao **********
@Chaz ***********
do you know any Agent
Mark ***********
She paid $2000 US for paperwork? Really! And you actually even considered it? You need to burn your membership card to the miserly penny-pinchers club! (Well, what fees were included?...)
Pensom ******
I sympathize with all who have to go thru this horrible red tape, which should rather be called a maze.

I hope the immigration office will come to its senses one day and just simplify procedures, doing everything online where they can.

All the best of luck to you ❤️🙏😢😅
Steve **********
@Pensom *****
10 years ago they started 90 day notice ( address confirmation ) on line. It worked one out of 4 times. Many times had to pick up, site down, when changed office from airport to promanada, it was down, then moved back to airport.

Actually I enjoy it now , usually 15 minutes but occassionally 4 or 5 hours. Get tonsee folks havent seen in a long time.
Pensom ******
You probably are eligible to apply for a permanent residency already, which is a whole long red tape but may be worthwhile cos then you won’t need to worry about applying for new visas anymore
Gerhard ***********
@Pensom *****
lol sounds easy but application is $7,800 non- refundable good luck getting picked out of only 100 per year per country then $192,000 baht for permanent residency not worth it all bullshit
Pensom ******
@Gerhard **********
it’s up to each individual case. If it doesn’t suit your needs you don’t need to shame it and call it “bullshit”. Airing grievances without good reason is uncalled for. You failed to mention that the fee is for life. All countries have their procedures and red tape. They are there for a good reason. If not, changes can be made and adjusted too.
Burnard ************
Good on you! I have experienced dealing with Thai Immigration so if I had 60,000 Baht, I would gladly pay it!
Burnard ************
@Steve *********
Last I checked, about between 300 to 400 Dollars/month out in the Provinces and $1000/month in Bangkok. Just x6 for your answer.

Farangs need $2400/month or 800,000 Baht in the bank.

To retire.
Burnard ************
Ahh... Think my math was off. Bangkok average income of $1000. 60,000 Baht is $2000 average in Bangkok. So 2 months.

Out in the Provinces about 8-months.
Steve **********
Cathy Odgers not yet !
Steve **********
@Burnard ***********
that's the equivalent to 6 months pay for the average thai.
Steve **********
Burnard ************
@Steve *********
Ahh... Think my math was off. Bangkok average income of $1000. 60,000 Baht is $2000 average in Bangkok. So 2 months.

Out in the Provinces about 8-months.
Burnard ************
@Steve *********
The Deputy Thai Prime Minister's comment. You are a "Dirty Farang.". They don't want you unless you have a lot of money or are Chinese.

But I think that Government may be on the way out. Does not mean it will change though.
Steve **********
@Burnard ***********
There are a lot of varied thoughts from farangs about how government

Thinks of us.

I care about those I interface with only. I envy their patience, simplicity and acceptance. I'd forgotten about the "dirty farang" comment as it didnt come from those I know.
Burnard ************
@Steve *********
It is mostly from the top elite. The Thai People don't feel that way.
Steve **********
@Burnard ***********
agree. Have had great experiences. How sincere, dont know, nor care. I,m content.
Ben *********
@Burnard ***********
, that's a lot of saved money.
Burnard ************
@Ben ********
I should have said 60,000 to spare. I could get it but it isn't in the budget.

But it is 60,000 for 15 months. Compaired to the other options Thailand has come up with (that hurt tourism even before the Pandemic) that is -almost- worth it.
Brian *******
I'm gad you see it that way. I'm also glad TH immigration put a stop to border bouncing and illegal use of visas.
Joe ***********
@Brian ******
Border Bouncing is / was not illegal. It was built in as an allowed way to stay.
Brian *******
@Joe **********
if you say so.
Joe ***********
@Brian ******
Non Immigrant B (Business & Employment) and O (for Marriage) One Year Multi-Entry Visas required a Border Run every 90 days to be allowed back into Thailand for another 90 Day Stay. Many Expats utilized this Quite Legal Visa method which had been authorized for 15 years or more.
Janin ******
@Joe **********
, now it’s almost more than 2 years no borderrun anymore
Tod *********
@David *********
, the thing is IF your daughter had done nothing with her entry stamp, gone on the first amnesty, then on the second amnesty when they extended the first one, then on the third amnesty when they extended the second one and ended up on the forth amnesty which runs out Oct 31st she'd be able to now apply for a 60 day extension without the embassy letter or anything.

AND

Had she just "played the amnesty" game like many MANY foreigners did here she'd have stayed for free from the lock down on March 26th to Oct 31st :O and only be looking at 1900baht for another 60 day extension taking her to over EIGHT months in country ;) .
Tod *********
actually the price isn't bad considering you probably didn't use the real agency that got the Non-O volunteer visa and year extension, but went thru someone who went thru someone with each person taking their "cut" along the way.

MOST of all those volunteer visa/extensions I've seen (and I've seen well over 100 of them) are from the Khon Kaen Immigration office, issued by real officers, with the sponsorship of a real foundation on it, and they are indeed REAL stamps (so at least in that regard you're covered and have little to no exposure)..

The down side is you need to use that agency to do your 90 day reports because you can't file one on your own with an out of province stamp (so IF you are using an agency to get you that Non-O visa/extension) make sure you contract them to do your 90 day reporting too.
Kimberly ************
I already mentioned that I am not in that province. Which is why I am asking about how to go about the 90 day reporting and how to change offices. Loads of us got the stamps from there and dont live there but visa is legit.
Kimberly ************
@Tod ********
correct, I am in this exact position. So, my question is, must I always do the 90 day through Khon Kaen office by my agent, even though I am traveling around, and dont live in that province? We are free to live anywhere we want, right? Then just inform the above IO of the change of province? Then I can start doing it myself? I hope this is the correct way.
Tod *********
@Kimberly ***********
all you can do is file a TM30 at the immigration office where you are staying at that time (or have the hotel you stay in file for you) and then in theory you are registered to use that immigration office. I guess you'll find out if that works or not on those "I'm not really a volunteer" volunteer visas when you go to file a 90 day report ;)

Good Luck with it.
Kimberly ************
@Tod ********
I am on retirement visa.
Tod *********
@Kimberly ***********
and did you live in Khon Kaen when you had the agent get you a retirement extension OR did you just hand over your passport and a pile of baht and it came back with an extension FROM Khon Kaen?
Bo **********
@Tod ********
where ďo I find these vouionteer visa agents?Can you advise?
Keef ********
@Bo *********
ask the original poster.
Khun ******
@Tod ********
Can I correct this one. I know personally a person here in CM with a Visa gone through an agency ( not here in CM) and did his 90 report at immigration by himself. No problem at all..
David **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@T**
,

RIGHT!

The agency does the 90 day reporting for 100 baht fee per time.
Tod *********
@David *********
yep, I am well aware of that. You might wanna have your daughter actually type in the name of that foundation (which is stamped in thai on the Non-O visa and the year extension too) and google them just in case she's asked by some official what foundation she volunteers for AND what she actually does for them :P
Namae *****
Good info, thanks!
Tom *******
Spot on I have been putting up with nongkhai immigration for 20 years they think where all morons, dodgy visa next year 20,000 12 months in pattaya
Steve **********
60k for agency ????

Ave 8 to 12k max.

Many friends use.

I use income, rather than tie up 80k in an acct.

As long as income is FTT. No problems ever
Tod *********
I think your friends are using them for retirement extensions or extensions based on marriage NOT brand new in country 90 day Non-O visas based on volunteering and then a yearly extension tacked on
Kool *******
Do not forget, there are also ligitimate agents. They help you get all your paperwork in order, keeping copies you need for following years, then they go to immigration early, standing in line for you, then call you up before it is your turn so you do not have to stand in the queue yourself. They average about bt3000 in cost to make it as painless for you as possible, and they are ligitimate, not running off to use some corrupt immigration officer, that eventually will get busted. Lots and lots of people use this kind of agent to help them through the process, and take as much stress away as possible.
Bo **********
@Kool ******
Where do I find a ligitimate agent who can do a visa ext with only passport and two photos?
Kool *******
@Bo *********
, Google is your friend
Steven **************
@Kool ******
ligitimate agents...immigration tell you the paperwork you need. There is absolutely no need for them... Read what you need, get what you need, then give it to immigration... Don't go there thinking you have everything look it up... If it wasn't for lazyness there would be no need for agents....prove me wrong
Dianne *****
@Steven *************
there are also many people for whom English isn't their first language so reading and understanding the requirements themselves might prove to be too difficult. Also some very elderly or those with mobility problems might warrant using the services of an agent
Kool *******
@Steven *************
, there are lots of people, mostly at the ChomChuri Square immigration office, that because of their work, simply do not have the time to waste at immigration. There are also a number of people that do not have the mental capacity to actually do it all themselves. That just do not understand English, or Thai, and need help.
Steven **************
@Kool ******
time at immigration is not wasted time, it's a necessity. As long as I've worked in foreign countries (over 30 years last 10 in Thailand) I have been paid for the days I must take off for immigration. If they have the mental capacity to read English and do what it says (which they had to do when first entering Thailand) then they're capable...it's lazyness that they pay then bitch about paying..like shooting yourself in the foot then complaining it hurts....agents are nothing but money seekers who take full advantage of anyone stupid enough to use them
Tod *********
@Kool ******
if someone works for a BOI or IEAT company (and can use Cham Churi Squares One Stop Service Center for their visa/extension and work permit there is a good chance that company has an agency OR an in house person that "pushes paper" and those are a far cry from those agencies that you hand your passport and a pile of money to who get extensions out of province for you.
Kool *******
@Tod ********
those are what I class as "ligitimate agents". You still must be there, but they wait in the queue for you, and get the paperwork together, as I mentioned.
Dominic ****
@Kool ******
that type are fine. But I see little difference between the brown envelope type and people smugglers.
Fred *********
60,000 baht is a bit over the top
Steve **********
@Fred ********
noone charges, nor would pay that.

This is a setup to gauge fools
Tod *********
Actually
@St***
I believe you're speaking mostly out of ignorance :/

Plenty of places charge that OR more to get you a 90 day Non-O visa and a year extension..
Steve **********
@Tod ********
I believe the ignorance is one that defends such rates for monetary gain , or with a vested interest.
Tod *********
give it a rest
@Steve *********
you win, I bow to your finite wisdom on the subject.. Feel better now?
Steve **********
@Tod ********
Why ? you appear to bow often.
Fred *********
Well I no a few in Pattaya
*****
baht so I believe Steve
Steve **********
@Fred ********
many less. But if you have patience and time, do yourself
Steve **********
@Tod ********
Probably ignorance. Have been here 17 years full time with scores of expats for that long ,with a half dozen 30 years. Think I know the system as well as most.,

You must be an agent seeking an increase.
Tod *********
@Steve *********
ahh I knew you'd manage to work in how long you've been in this pissant developing third world country (as if it lends credibility to your comments :P)

I've found time IN country doesn't equate to knowing shit from Shinola about how things really work.

BUT

hey, thanx for letting me know..
Steve **********
@Tod ********
why are you so interested and vocal, in what you call " a pissant developing 3rd world country" ?

Are the Thai's you know, aware of how you rate them.?

Or is this just you, defending your irrelevants.
Steve **********
@Tod ********
no need for apology. Many understand your need to feel significant.
David ********
I have a gut feeling that Covid will change the visa landscape forever. I have no evidence on which to base this claim, just a gut feeling after 18 years of watching mountains of bureaucracy weigh on everyone both sides of the immigration counter. We could be living in a very different world two years from now with global travel reduced across-the-board. When the spread of virus is no longer the primary variable, there could be new incentives to get on an airplane and spend a lot of time here — and possibly with a major reduction in paperwork.
เอ็ดเวิร์ด *******
@David *******
Many experts are postulating that this virus will exist in the world for many years to come. So I think it will take a major shift in Thailand’s approach to the issue, living with the virus versus being virus free, before any change occurs. I’ve done two entries into South Korea, April and September, and the paperwork has increased fourfold
David ********
@Edw***
, Let’s see what happens after there are a few different types of vaccines available. With a simple WHO yellow card, freedom to travel might not be the issue along with the necessity for stacks of documents. The question might just be whether or not you have the money and the ability to travel to Thailand. I am guessing that they are going to roll out the red carpet for anyone who wants to come here once the risk of the virus has been minimized. With most of Thailand inoculated and any traveler coming here inoculated, I’m guessing the standards for entry and the duration of the stay will be quite different. This is all speculation, so we will see what happens!
เอ็ดเวิร์ด *******
@David *******
I don’t really know what you’re basing your point on since again, the virus only has a proved to be greater than 50% effective. Every move by the Thai government as indicated that it doesn’t feel confident Being able to control limited pockets of cases rising in the country, and their modus operandi is to keep Thailand virus free. Compare the history of restrictions set up for people coming from United States to Thailand versus people coming from United States to South Korea.
David ********
Basically, I’m talking about next year when we will all be pretty much living in a completely different universe! I think the rules of the game will completely change when there are multiple different types of vaccinations available.
Stephen **********
Besides which, paying a visa agency gives locals a job.
Steven **************
Being here that long you know agencies are rip off merchants.. why promote them
David **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ste***
,

Not promoting anything. Just sharing an experience and a perspective. :-)
Steven **************
@David *********
no malice intended friend... My sister in law is an agent. And I can't stand the woman. She sees nothing but dollar signs. And what she gets she keeps. There's no brown envelope to immigration. She knows the paperwork they need and she's a Thai so no questions..what she charges minus the 1900 non immigrant fee..she keeps
Jim ********
@David *********
would she have had to leave the kingdom if she hadn’t have used the agency due to not being able to renew her visa herself because she didn’t meet the criteria?
Steve **********
Interesting and understandable take. I am like you however, in that I do it myself and just can’t see paying that much for it. I am on a marriage extension of stay based on marriage and cash in the bank. So once a year kill a few trees and go sit in immigration. I don’t work, plenty of time on my hands....no big deal to me to just endure it.

I stressed hard for the first one because I’m paranoid but in the future I know it is what it is....
Dave **********
Have done my own Retirement Extension Paperwork for 20 plus, No mountain of paperwork, easier before yes, and no stress just follow the rules as they change,. This year 30 minutes with 12 deposits over 65K and out I went with a smile.
Paul *******
Waitrose Dave?

Probably just a coincidence 😁
Burnard ************
@Dave *********
It is usually the new arrival who benefit most from Agents.

Need to be very careful though.
Daniel *******
Thank you for your experience and insight. :)
Tod *********
keep in mind, the people that hand their passport, two photos and a pile of money to an agency that takes it to a province where you don't live, uses an immigration office you don't use and gets a 90 day Non-O visa and a year extension based on volunteering for a foundation you can't pronounce let alone have any intention of volunteering at CAN cause you grief down the road.

While she will indee get this 15 months of stay out of it IF she ever tries to "push her own paper" at the immigration office in the province she lives in she'll find out really fast that they know all too well she used an agent to pull that Non-O visa and year extension.

It is a slippery slope and once you start down it, you're pretty much on it for the long haul.

SO before you jump on the "use a paper-pushing agency" bandwagon to get your passport stamped remember that ;P
Burnard ************
Dominic ****
@Tod ********
and what a rip off it is too. 6k baht might be acceptable, but 60k baht is disgusting greed.
Tod *********
@Dominic ********
remember those agencies are getting you an in country 90 day Non-O VISA (from what ever entry stamp you came in on) AND then tacking on a year extension to boot.. SO you're getting 15 months of trouble free stay off it.

Again it's not a bad price at all everything considered and I know people who paid far more than 60K to get the same thing (just as I know people who paid less) ;)
Dominic ****
@Tod ********
I guess it depends on morals. If these people feel comfortable paying off a corrupt person's mortgage and Benz loan, then up to them.
Jane ***********
I do believe you when you say it can makes things difficult to do it ‘legit’ in the future but I’ve actually never heard anyone express this as a problem they’ve had.
David **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@T**
,

You are correct.

In fact, I was at my local immigration office (Nonthaburi) and I asked a friend of mine who is one of the immigration officers to take a look at my daughter's visa. His response surprised me. He laughed out loud! :-) "She got this through an agency, right?" I told him that she had.

He said that it isn't a "problem" but for any extensions she would have to continue to go through the agency.

Hopefully, by the time the visa she has now is ready to expire (Oct. 2021) the borders will be open and she will have the option to go a different route. Or, maybe she will just stick with the visa agency.

We'll see.
Jared **********
I normally do my own visa stuff as well, but if I get the opportunity for a STV I will be doing it through a company, there’s a lot to be said for when to do something yourself and when to have someone else do it, and not just for visas
Rick *******
Good post by the OP. I too have always obtained a yearly visa on my own. Note that I said yearly visa and not extension. Every year, for 15 years, I would go home to visit with family and friends in the US. While home, I would go to the Thai Consulate in Los Angeles and apply for a Non-Immigrant O multiple entry visa based on marriage to a Thai national. The process has been easy and straight forward with only requiring 750 dollars in a US bank. I drop of the paperwork and pick up the passport the next day with the one year passport inside. Very little dialogue takes place and I return to Thailand never having to visit the Thai immigration office or having money in a Thai bank account. My concern is that some things have changed due to Covid-19. I am 73 years old, so the newly required health insurance is going to be very expensive. The 14 day quarantine is another expense that I did not have to worry about before. I am hoping that quarantine will either be reduced in duration or done away with once Thailand realizes that it is killing their tourism. Air fares are beginning to come down now that several airlines are flying to Bangkok. All in all the process for going back to Thailand has become much more expensive for me and I am stubborn enough to wait for things to calm down, however I am not sure how long that will be. In the meantime I will just wait to see what the "new normal" will be and what the baseline cost of living in Thailand is. Right now, everything is to hectic and expensive for me. I admire all those who currently brave all the new requirements and excessive costs.
Steve **********
@Jared *********
agree. Dont do much of anything myself as Thais are so accommodating

Yet, at the end of the day, I'm still not finished.
Tod *********
there is NO upside to using that company that sponsors people for the STV. IF it's available to people in your country you can apply at the thai consulate and get it fine without having that longstay company hold your hand and push paper for you
Jim ********
@Tod ********
yeh 100%. Zero point in paying 10,000 baht to an agency when you will just be able to get it from the consulate in your country
Jared **********
There’s plenty of upsides and reasons why it can be a good idea depending on your circumstances, also no one asked you for your opinion
Tod *********
There is no need to take a tone with me
@Ja***
;) What I meant was IF you're from one of the listed countries that CAN get a STV you can apply at the thai consulate IN your country. you don't need that agency pushing paper for you for 10K baht.
Tod *********
@Jared *********
gear down big shifter.. :P
Steve **********
@Jared *********
who asked for yours ?

Be civil.
Jared **********
@Steve *********
who asked mine? I was replying to David’s experience about being on the same page, adding a relevant comment, and your telling me to be civil. Oh the irony
Jared **********
Gear down big shifter? You still didn’t read what I said and repeated yourself, guess that’s what happens when you get old 🤷‍♂️
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