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How can I convert my volunteer visa to a retirement visa in Thailand?

Sally **********
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Hi all. So I have a big problem...

I'm on a volunteer visa (legitimate)...and I want to convert to retirement visa. I've been told that because immigration is being strict about volunteer visa it may not be possible to convert. So, I've been advised to go to a tourist visa.

I've been in Thailand for many years, and I'm worried a tourist visa will be rejected. Is it possible they will reject if I apply in Laos?

Or should I get a new passport? I'm not sure what to do. Thank you.
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A user is seeking advice on converting a volunteer visa to a retirement visa in Thailand but is concerned about strict immigration regulations. Suggestions from the community include applying for a one-year extension based on retirement instead, ensuring all financial requirements are met, and possibly switching to a tourist visa before applying for a Non-O visa. The conversation highlights various strategies, such as seeding money in a Thai bank account and using agents to assist with the visa process, while emphasizing the importance of compliance with immigration rules.
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Alf ***********
Alf ***********
There is no way to convert a Non-O to another Non-O...

All you have to do is change the reason for your extension of stay.
Ennio ********
Ennio ********
Laos has always been laid-back. If you want some tips on doing a run there message me.
Anthony *********
Anthony *********
You'll probably have to leave first then come back in on a visa free or TR visa then apply for the non O retirement visa at your local immigration

I have non O marriage I had to leave last year and come back I was on covis stamps and non B before you can't convert you have to leave and come back
Mark *********
Mark *********
Not an expert. Definitely would ask someone who knows. Rhys at Assist Thai Visa Services has been helping me out for years. Well worth his fees in my opinion and then I rest in peace knowing everything was done correctly.
Kool *******
Kool *******
If you have all the normal 90 day extensions you should have been getting with your legitimate volunteer visa you'll be fine. The ones having problems were those having the year visa, but not having the normal 90 day extensions.
Tony *********
Tony *********
You could do what I did which is to come in without a Visa on a 30 day entry. Then go to immigration and convert that to a Non O Visa a few days before the 30-day expires, seed 800k that you will need to deposit in a bank account for 2 months and then go back to immigration after 2 months and get a one-year extension based on retirement. Then renew every year. You don't even have to leave the country.
Ritz *******
Ritz *******
@Tony ********
how do you get the extra two months ?
Tony *********
Tony *********
@Ritz ******
you are not getting an extra 2 months. The 30 days is finished and you get a new visa which you will have to pay for and then you have to wait until it's been running for 2 months to seed the money in the account before you can apply for the one year extension for retirement.
Tony *********
Tony *********
@Ritz ******
it's not an extension, it's a new Visa. A few days before your non-visa 30-day exemption expires go to immigration and apply for a non-o visa which is valid for 3 months. Tell them you want to convert your 30 day entry to a non-o visa and then convert that after 2 months which is how long you will have to have the money in the account for a minimum to a one-year retirement extension.
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Ritz ******
No the initial Non-O Visa is a 90 day stamp so you have time to season the banked money
Ritz *******
Ritz *******
@Tony ********
ok. Thanks. So that only works if they give you the extension of 2 months
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Brett *********
In answer to your "criticism" of the lump-sum Bank Deposit Method: If, like my wife and I, 65K x 2 or 135K Baht per month is FAR more than we need to comfortably live on in (we reside comfortably in CM on only about 30K Baht per month), then we would still be "tying up" in a Thai Bank all that extra money coming in continuously from the monthly transfers. After approx. 1 yr, would then "tie up" even more than the lump-sum Deposit Method.
Brook ********
Brook ********
Getting a new passport from the same country will have no impact.

How old are you?

Suggest you consider simply extend your existing visa based on retirement. Maybe use an experienced agent the first time to smooth the process.

I would highly discourage the OA unless you meet certain very limited circumstances.
Will ************
Will ************
To extend on retirement you need a minimum of 800k baht in a Thai bank account for at least 2 months before you apply or a minimum of 65k baht each month transferred in for the previous 12 months
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Will ***********
Clarification: If converting to original Non-O first, then no "Seasoning" of monies required. 2 Month seasoning only required for the subsequent 1-yr Extension.
Will ************
Will ************
@Robert ***********
looks like they are non-o volunteer so it’s as I stated
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Will ***********
Fair enough.
John *********
John *********
I had a dodgy volunteer visa. I had to leave last May to get a 90 days from Malaysia (my immigration doesn't issue this). No problem with the extension at immigration and they are notorious here for being difficult.
Paul *******
Paul *******
@John ********
Yeah I think your case shows it's fine to do that. You just need to let the agent assisted volunteer visa expire and start afresh. Particularly if it's a different type of extension (which in your case I gather it was) then they won't care about what you were on previously. You just have to meet the requirements of the extension you're applying for.
John ********
John ********
I take it you have a thai bank account so you have two options put in the
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0thb or give a agent about
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to do the paperwork

But firstly you need to leave the country and get the 45 day holiday visa and then you can go to immigration office to apply for an 1 year extension on retirement visa they will provide the information for you to do the paperwork the cost for your application is 2000thb then 1900thb every year after that
Brett **********
Brett **********
If you've just turned 50 you may be best to leave the country, get an o-a visa which requires 12 months health insurance in advance but isn't too expensive if you've only just turned 50. You need to show the equivalent of
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0 baht in your native account. You can then start sending the required monthly amount from abroad to a Thai bank account so you can then go to an O visa the next year (or even the year after, as a multi entry o-a can get you almost 2 years if you border bounce at the right time, and then you won't need to have
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0 tied up in a Thai bank account, as long as the required minimum monthly transfers have been adhered to
Henrik ****
Henrik ****
@Brett *********
, better to go get a Non-O for retirement at Immigration without the need for health insurance.
Brett **********
Brett **********
@Robert ***********
you know you are allowed to access and spend the monthly transfers? It's not a continuous deposit scheme
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Brett *********
That's not what I said. Of course, you can switch. But, I said if you do switch from Monthly Method to Bank Method, then you are simply in the same boat with money "tied up" in Bank Account. And, you would most likely have incurred more in transaction fees, than simply doing lump-sum in first instance. So what would be the point? Finally, if you are USA, UK or Aussie, you could not even do the Monthly Method the first time (which is what the OP/Author was asking about), since you are required to have proof of 12 monthly deposits for the prior year. So, I guess I wasn't "wrong" after all. 👍
Brett **********
Brett **********
@Robert ***********
be side you don't have to do it in perpetuity. You may need to start the process again, rather than just extending, but to say once you've done it one way, you can't do another is incorrect
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Brett *********
I agree with your sentiments, but curious why you say I am"Wrong"?
Brett **********
Brett **********
@Robert ***********
you're wrong,.but I really don't get why you're banging on about this anyway. I was suggesting possible options the op may not be aware of. They may be suitable for them, they may not. Obviously the way you've done it must be the best way for everyone, in all circumstances
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Brett *********
Make no sense. Either you apply using the lump-sum Bank Deposit Method, or the monthly transfer. If you use the monthly transfer method, it must continue in perpetuity. Regardless, if you want to "stop" and change to lump-sum Bank Method, then you are simply in the same place, with 800K in Thai Bank, that you or others have criticized as being "tied up". In addition, by using the monthly transfers, you have incurred more transaction fees getting there.
Brett **********
Brett **********
@Robert ***********
or if.you find it gets to
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0 in savings you could then stop?
Henrik ****
Henrik ****
@Robert ***********
, the 800k needs to be in your account 2 months before applying for an annual extension - every time. The rest of the year a balance of nothing less than 400k must be in your account.
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Henrik ***
Actually, the 800K is Once and only Once (not once a year), unless you spend some as you indicated.
Henrik ****
Henrik ****
@Robert ***********
, also, you really need to be careful about the monthly transfers. They need to happen EVERY month on more or less the same day a month. Otherwise, they might reject it. The 800k deposit is once a year, and then you can even use the 400k for living during the year. Easy and no worry.
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Brett *********
Yes, I DO know. But you missed my point. The required monthly transfers, especially for a married couple, are FAR FAR MORE than needed to live comfortably. So, where do you think the excess money is? It's in the Thai Bank you transferred it to. While I supposed one could just send it back out of the country -- that would incur fairly substantial fees both for the re-transfers, and currency exchg. fees. PLUS, the perpetual transaction fees incurred for the monthly Tranfers.
Brett **********
Brett **********
@Henrik ***
also, the op is concerned they'll have issues converting from current visa. If they're granted an o-a in home country then they'll already know there is no issue
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Brett *********
In answer to your "criticism" of the lump-sum Bank Deposit Method: If, like my wife and I, 65K x 2 or 135K Baht per month is FAR more than we need to comfortably live on in (we reside comfortably in CM on only about 30K Baht per month), then we would still be "tying up" in a Thai Bank all that extra money coming in continuously from the monthly transfers. After approx. 1 yr, would then "tie up" even more than the lump-sum Deposit Method.
Brett **********
Brett **********
@Henrik ***
exactly, you can show it in your own country..it doesn't need to be held up in a Thai bank account. I wasn't giving a definitive answer, I was suggesting an option not knowing their full circumstances. I, personally, don't understand the antagonism towards the o-a, because of the need for health insurance. If you've
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0 baht that you can leave dormant in thai bank account and have great insurance,.then all.well.and good. That's not an option for everyone though
Henrik ****
Henrik ****
@Brett *********
, no reason to worry about that unless Sally has plans to continue working as a volunteer. The O-A also requires 800,000 THB unless you have income to show in your home country.
Brett **********
Brett **********
@Henrik ***
all depends on if you want to have
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0 tied up, as I mentioned. If only just turned 50, I'd rather pay the
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baht for a year and then start transferring the
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a month from abroad that I'm.allowed to use
Henrik ****
Henrik ****
It shouldn't be an issue to ask for an extension for the reason of retirement if you do comply with the requirements. It shouldn't neither be a real problem to "convert" to a new Non-O for retirement, again if you comply. However, on a retirement visa, you are not allowed to work not either as a volunteer, and they might check on you if you go to Immigration with a Non-O based on volunteering as they might suspect you trying to avoid the strict rules for getting or extending a volunteer visa...
Brian *******
Brian *******
From what I understand is you do not need a retirement visa but apply for 1 year extension on existing visa for reason of retirement.

Over 50 and have income or lump sum in the bank. 1900 baht.

There are strict guidelines on the money part...seasoning etc.

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