Can I apply for a 50+ retirement visa while on a tourist visa in Thailand?

Feb 21, 2024
10 months ago
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Hi I need an advise, I am planing to apply for the 50+ visa ("retirement visa") but from what I read I can NOT apply while on a tourist visa, which I am. how did you do it any ideas? THANKS!
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The process of applying for a 50+ retirement visa (NON-O visa) while on a tourist visa can be complex. It's generally recommended to convert your tourist visa at an immigration office; however, many participants in the discussion mentioned that some immigration offices might allow for this conversion if the tourist visa has at least 15 days remaining. Requirements include having a Thai bank account with 800,000 baht deposited for at least 2 months prior to application, although some mentioned alternatives such as proving a monthly income. Some users suggested hiring an agent for assistance to navigate the process more easily, whereas others provided detailed tips on handling the application independently.
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เอ็ดเวิร์ด *******
you can do on a 60 day tourist visa. the best route
Scott *******
If you already have a non immigrant O retirement visa the yearly extension of stay is 1900 baht . This is the price that is charged at Division 1 immigration in Bangkok .
Per *********
I’ve currently in the same process. Just go to immigration but the local main office. Tell them you need a one year visa

Now there are two options

1) you create a Thai bank account and deposit 800.000 baht

2) you tell them you don’t have 800.000 and do the shady stuff 😜

If you go with number two there will be some “payments”. The good thing is everything is working as a Swiss clock
John ******
@Per ********
I am in heaven on earth in this country so I would always prefer to do things by the book.😀
Per *********
@John *****
well then you just deposit 800.000 baht 😇 but first you need a Thai bank account which will require some paperwork and some more hassle.

The process I describe will take care of everything for you’re dealing with the exact same people 🤷‍♂️
John ******
@Per ********
😄looks like I didn’t ask the right questions then 😉
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Per ********
thanks for the honesty. yep. its part of life.
Lee ******
I did exactly that at the immigration office in Krabi. Getting a Thai bank account was the really fun part 😏
Einat *******
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@Lee *****
I am in krabi! and need to open a bank account. can you recommend bank branch? (here or in PM)
Lee ******
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Lee *****
thats so kind of you. thanks !
John ******
I’m actually towards the end of the process of applying for a Non O retirement visa myself. I was lucky apparently and opened a Thai Bank account a couple of years ago at the first bank I approached in Changwattana.

I’ve never done land border runs but last year after entering Thailand on a visa on arrival basis from Australia or Bangladesh after a month or so away each time I found Immigration at Suvarnabhumi were getting quite hostile -hence my application for a retirement visa.

If you can open a Thai bank account and I met a UK guy who told me some banks in Tourist hotspots like Pattaya will still let you on a tourist visa, then I would say you don’t need an agent to get a retirement visa but having someone at your side who can read and speak Thai is a big help.

As
@Brandon ***********
has indicated you can readily get info to convert to Retirement Non O visa from the authorities. But here are some tips from my experience which aren’t in the guidelines. First, you need to complete the application forms in blue biro/pen. I used black for my application copies initially- had to redo.

After each signature, I’ve learnt to put my telephone number, a requirement at my local immigration office, at least.

Then you need to get photo copies of every visa entry into and out of Thailand in your Passport and of course your personal details at the front. Each copy page must be signed by you.

If you do manage to get a bank account and deposit the 800,000 baht and meet the time lines, etc I learnt another lesson. When you apply to change your visa, mine is a 90 day tourist visa, you are instructed to get a bank statement and have your bank book updated on the day you submit your Non O application. This seems easy but be aware, you also have to make sure to make a small transaction to be recorded in the bank book that same day.

By coincidence a fellow applicant banking with Kasikorn Bank found this a real issue because his bank insisted they don’t update the statement on the day. In my case, I deposited some baht through the bank’s atm and then updated my passbook also by atm at the same time.

Myself and the other applicant also found we’d been neatly conned? because my particular Immigration office requires 15 days to process the Non O application and both our visas had only 14 days remaining, so we had to apply for an extension of the existing visa. I got stung for 2,000 baht and they tried to do him for 4,600 baht but in the end he got the same charge as me.

Both of us have been assured we will get a 3 month retirement visa initially, followed by the full Non O visa after an appropriate application to extend. We can learn our application outcome on 8 March.

If you consider what myself and the other guy went through too much, then choose an agent. However, hopefully the clues I’ve provided will make it easier for you do yourself. Took myself and the other guy the best part of two days and two trips to our banks to achieve what we did. Should be possible to do easily in one day in hindsight.
Rok ********
@John *****
I am struggling with Blue Book, owner’s ID and now apparently even a utility bill … i have the condo contract but managing agent cannot provide any of the above.
Einat *******
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@Rok *******
hope you manage! thanks for the info,
Einat *******
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@John *****
thanks a LOT for this info and for the you spent writing!! it indeed shows that its not an easy process with clear/common requests (blue pen rather than black and 15 days vrs. 14 etc)
DanDaza ***********
@John *****
Legendary.. info and patience.
Brandon ************
@John *****
the 15 day remaining rule is every immigration office. In fact some (like Chiang Mai) require 21 days.
John ******
@Brandon ***********
Thanks Brandon must have just been an unfortunate coincidence that the other applicant and myself chose that day. I have to say that the staff at Pathum Thani Immigration are very patient and helpful.
Rok ********
As long as the tourist visa, exemption or extension of the exemption has 15 days or more left you can proceed with non-o application - i was told at several immigration offices and they even calculated my last relevant date. You will need help of an agent to open the Bank account.What i am struggling is the blue book, ID of the owner and today a copy of the last utility bill was added to the requirement. I have a condo contract but the managing agent cannot provide the blue book and the owner’s ID.
Brown ********
Yes you can. Who told you that nonsense
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brown *******
its written in the official website of immigration requirements. here at "STEP ONE" :
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Ivan ************
@Einat ******
step one on that is right. It doesn't say you can't apply while on a tourist visa though. You can apply outside Thailand in your home country, and show money in your home bank. Or can convert in country, which it says as well. The requirements for converting though, generally you need to get on it pretty much immediately as there are time cut offs which can be quite tight. If you are too late on your current stamp you can extend or leave and come back and then you have time again, it's not a deal breaker.
Ivan ************
@Einat ******
that website isn't official, it's a law firm. It's a reputable law firm, and most of the information on it is accurate, but just to note it's not immigration, or a Thai embassy, or the government.
Peter *********
@Einat ******
don't believe everything you read lol 😆
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Peter ********
does that include all the responses in this post 😆
Brown ********
@Einat ******
well this is 100% crap
Peter *********
@Brown *******
correct 👌
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Peter ********
oh, thats good news, but this is written as "step 1" in the Thai Immigration website! i pasted it below.
Matt *******
Get an Agent

I got the Retirement Visa last week

Far to crazy to do by myself
Victor ***********
@Matt ******
who did you use? $?
Matt *******
@Victor **********
integrity legal
Victor ***********
@Matt ******
how did you use? In Thailand ?
Rajeev ********
@Matt ******
did you have pay any taxes on the money transfer to Thai bank?
Matt *******
@Rajeev *******
I repeat again 1900 baht is the fee for a 30 day extension at immigration

12 months extension is far more

It’s pure Mathematics

You can abuse me all you like. I really don’t care

But don’t tell me that a 12 month extension is legitimate for 2000 Baht

12 months is a lot longer than 30 days….
Ivan ************
@Matt ******
all extensions are the same price, 1,900B. For tourist that's 30 days but if you qualify for a year extension, that's still 1,900B. It doesn't vary by the duration. That's the official price direct with immigration if you do it yourself. You can pay an agent, that's fine and costs more, some do this because they don't meet the requirements and need an agent to smooth that over, others do meet them but use an agent to reduce queuing or peace of mind or whatever. Fine. But a year extension is 1,900B, Nick MuayPlam is right on this.
Rajeev ********
@Matt ******
sorry man I didn’t say anything to abuse you! Was just asking if you had to it taxes… ☮️
Matt *******
@Rajeev *******
i had to put 6,600baht into the Account as part of the process

Most of that was gone by the next day.

There are many layers of Government who all want something out of it.

The initial Visa is not cheap, but there is no alternative if you want it to be legitimate
Nick **********
@Matt ******
the initial visa is only 2000 baht, year extension 1900. No idea why you would say "not cheap".
Matt *******
Nick MuayPlam good luck paying for a dodgy Visa at that price

I prefer to be fully legal.
Nick **********
@Matt ******
What are you talking about ???? That IS the official price of the visa !! THAT is exactly the price of the fully legal visa.

Go to an immigration office and ask for the official info : 2000 baht is the price of the visa, 1900 for the yearly extension.

You have money disappearing from your account and don't question that ?
Matt *******
Nick MuayPlam that is a 30 day Visa Extension

Not a 15month Multiple Entry Retirement Visa
Nick **********
@Matt ******
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

First of all : extensions are standard 1900 baht : non-O's , tourist visas, exempt,...

Second : there is no 15 month multiple entry retirement visa : that doesn't exist.

Probably (my guess) you are talking about a non-O visa based on being at least 50 (commonly called retirement visa) which is 3 months --> 2000 baht. THEN a year extension --> 1900 baht (Which is separate, and not even a visa but an extension) those are NOT even multiple entry visa or extensions. So then you have to buy a multiple entry permit separately to get that effect --> 3800 baht or 4000 if you buy it at the airport without picture and form.

And this wouldn't even give you multiple entry on your complete 15 months by the way.

And explain me how doing it yourself directly with immigration you would suddenly end up with a "dodgy visa
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Nick MuayPlam thanks for the info and the time to write it. btw - At which immigration office did you apply...? there seems to be differences between offices.
Nick **********
@Einat ******
Bangkok (Jaeng wathana, or also written chaeng watthana,..)
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Nick MuayPlam Thanks a LOT for your explanations. it sheds needed light on the process.
Matt *******
Nick MuayPlam if you got a 12 month Visa for 2000 baht, it’s dodgy.

Yes i did get 15 months (3+12) that’s how the initial visa works
Nick **********
@Matt ******
Explain why 12 month visa for 2000 baht is dodgy. Just explajn it.

AND it is NOT a 12 month visa we are talking about, it is a year EXTENSION at immigration.

AND it is NOT 2000 baht for extensions, it is 1900 for extensions, that is the official price. Paid at immigration : HOW is that dodgy ?

You are just talking nonsense and don't have a clue what you are talking about.

You don't know the terminology, you clearly don't know the prices. You paid a visa agent because you don't know how to do it yourself. Not blaming that you can't or don't want to do it yourself. But if you don't know the procedures and prices and terminology, you shouldn't just invent things.

There can't be any dodgy by doing it yourself and paying the official price : either your documents are comlete and get the visa or extension. Or you don't.

IF you use an agent however, there might be a chance you are using a dodgy agent. Not difficult to find a trustworthy agent. But there are also some cowboys between them.

You said that you had to put 6600 in the account and the next day most of it was gone ? What is that ? Sounds very very weird.

You say there are many layers of government who all want something out of it ? That's completely bullshit. There is only ONE "layer of government" as you call it. That's immigration. And there is a very clear official price for different procedures. Go to immigration and ask them yourself. They will inform you.

Initial visa = 2000 baht, extensions = 1900 baht, single entry permit = 1000, multiple entry permit = 3800. Nothing to do with many layers who all want something of it.

You are just making things up. You don't know about it, and that why you had to use an agent to help you. Nothing wrong with needing or wanting help from an agent - I have a good friend who's agent. But don't make things up about procedures you don't know enougn.
Matt *******
Nick MuayPlam a year extension is 12 months

You will not get that for 2000 Baht at Thai Immigration

2000 baht will get you one 30 day extension
Nick **********
@Matt ******
Dude ! I and many others get it EVERY year for 1900 baht !

THAT is the official rate.

And by the way, the one 30 days extension (this is for tourism purposes) is NOT 2000 baht as you claim : you are wrong again.

Where do you get these weird numbers from ? Are you trolling ?

Those are the application fees. That is what you pay if you do it yourself.

Do your research. No wonder you used an agent because you're absolutely clueless. Nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn't spread fake news.
Matt *******
Nick MuayPlam

If you are getting 12 months for 2000 Baht. It’s dodgy

I have just spent 3 days at Bangkok immigration and Bangkok Bank

Maybe you have an Agent that does shit on the quiet

I would rather be legally Sound ok
Nick **********
@Matt ******
Why do you lie about 2000 baht for 12 months ? Each and every time I tell you it is 1900, but you always claim that I paid 2000 ???? Extensions just ARE 1900 baht, what is dodgy about the official rate ?

Then you say that maybe I use an agent that does "shit on the quiet" ? First of all I told you this is the price when you do it yourself WITHOUT an agent. You are completely incapable of logical thinking. Because IF an agent would be involved, it would be more expensive, because you'd have to pay an agent. And IF it would be an agent doing dodgy stuff, it would be even MORE expensive because he would have to pay out some extra money.

Tell me : how much is the application fee for yearly extension of retirement ?
Matt *******
@Nick *********
I wouldn’t trust that Website…
Nick **********
@Matt ******
first of all, that's the website from immigration itself, where you can make an appointment directly with immigration to do your extensions and other things. This is the website that cou tless peolle use to make an appointment.

Second : I have never paid anything else than 1900 baht during all those years for a yearly extension. You are completely new, don't know anything about it which is why you needed an agent to assist you.

1900 is the same price for a 30 day extension on tourist visa or on visa exempt. So you believe that (which is correct), so why you don't believe that other extensions are also 1900 baht ? That's the standard price for so many different types of extensions.

That is NOT an agent price, but the official fee.

I have been doing it for years directly, countless retirees have, countless mareied to a Thai national have... why are you denying the sun ? Everybody knows this is the price, except you. Have you been inhaling too much pm2.5 ? No wonder you need an agent if you are so clueless.

Since you know everything : tell me what the official fee is for a yearly extension. Just tell us, and where you get that from.
Matt *******
Nick MuayPlam 1900 and a 100 for the Cab will get you 30 day extension

I am happy to keep repeating it, because that’s what you will get
Mark ******
It can be done yourself but in my experience it isn't that easy. As
@Brandon ***********
said, get the list of requirements from your local Immigration Office. You'll need to provide all of the requested information.

One requirement is for a Thai bank account with 800k baht deposited. For the retirement extension, the 800k baht should have been in the bank for 2 months prior to application.

An agent is definitely easier but will cost.
Chris ******
@Mark *****
you have to have 23kusd in a Thai bank to get the 1 yr retirement visa?
Mark ******
@Chris *****
Initially, yes. There is an alternative option to make regular monthly payments of 65k baht but you should check as my understanding is that this is only for subsequent renewals.
Carsten ************
@Chris *****
you don't need any money for the 90 day non-o visa itself, but you need 800k in the account 2 month prior to the 12 month extension.
Chris ******
@Carsten ***********
what if you can prove $2500 income per month.. still need the bank balance l?
Tom *********
@Chris *****
฿400,000 in savings and ฿400,000 in income used to be acceptable, but the laws change so frequently I don't know if it's still applicable.
Carsten ************
@Chris *****
1st year you need the 800k. If you have all the 12 month an income from abroad into your Thai bank account of minimum 65k THB, you can use that from 2nd year onwards.
Michael ******
If you have the bank account then can do it yourself
Graham ******
Do you have a Thai bank account in your name only with 800k deposited internationally?
Carsten ************
@Graham *****
the 800k don't need to be from abroad. That's only if you use the income method.
John **********
@Carsten ***********
that is immigration office specific, some require it does come from abroad for the initial 90 day visa but it doesn't need to come from abroad for an extension of stay
Steve *******
Carsten von Holdt It needs to be an International transfer for the initial visa. Doesn't need to be an International transfer for the 1 year extention of stay
Marcel *******
@Steve ******
I have a question regarding this. Can the 800k also be transferred as international transfer from my Thai wife's foreign account to my Thai account? Or must I be the holder who send it ?
Steve *******
@Marcel ******
Yes. As long as it's an international transfer and into your Thai bank account then it's fine
Marcel *******
Carsten ************
@Steve ******
Sorry, since the "initial Visa" is usually applied for in your home country, i can't really believe that. In my understanding ONLY the income method needs to be marked FTT in your bank book.
John **********
@Carsten ***********
many apply for the initial 90 day non-o visa inside Thailand which is what we've been talking about
Carsten ************
That's bullshit!
Carsten ************
Carsten ************
@John *********
Yes, and the deposit of the 800k into the Bank account don't need to come from abroad. Nothing else I wrote.
John **********
@Carsten ***********
you are wrong about the initial in country visa. For an extension of stay you are correct
Graham ******
@Carsten ***********
The initial Non-O is often applied for within Thailand which is exactly what the OP is asking about as it appears he is already in Thailand on a Tourist Visa
Carsten ************
@Graham *****
correct, and in that case the money is always put into account within Thailand and it doesn't need to be marked FTT. At least my deposits never came from abroad.
Graham ******
@Carsten ***********
Yes it does, fact. Stop misleading people and potentially screwing their chance of getting their Visa. These are the current rules not from 20 years ago or whenever you got your initial Visa.
Steve *******
@Carsten ***********
You should believe it 'cause it's a fact.
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Graham *****
I plan to do that in the coming days
Rajeev ********
@Einat ******
with the new tax law you may also have to pay income tax on transfer of the money. Check with the bank if they’ll withhold tax from your account.
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Rajeev *******
that is something I did not expect... did this happen to you or someone you know personally...?
Bart **************
@Rajeev *******
hang on, the money is probably already taxed before. No bank will just out of nothing withhold tax from it.
Nigel **************
@Einat ******
you will find the most difficult part is opening a bank account on a Tourist visa.
Damo ***********
@Nigel *************
sounds like the OP is confident in opening the bank account themself on tourist visa… I hope they give everyone their experience in trying that 🤷🏽‍♂️
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Damo **********
what is OP?
Damo ***********
@Einat ******
Original Poster... the initial person who put up the post.
Peter *********
Can do but need use an agent
Nick **********
@Peter ********
fake. Don't need an agent
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Peter ********
I was hoping to do it by myself actually
Stuart ***********
@Peter ********
They might need an agent to help open a bank account, but that's all.
Einat *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Stuart **********
I was hoping to open the bank account by myself, actually.
Nick **********
@Einat ******
A friend opened an account a few days ago at Bangkok Bank, Chalong, Phuket. He entered Thailand with Non-OA? he got in his home country.
Nigel ********
If you use an agent, you will always have to use one 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰
Nigel ********
@Einat ******
bangkok bank they will make you take out there insurance about 5000tbh best way unless you pay an agent alot more and your still need to go there for photo to keep your account safe
Peter *********
Stuart ***********
@Einat ******
I managed to open one 2 years ago, but I am seeing a lot of posts saying that it has changed now. Definitely give it a try, ask the bank what they require first. You might need to try several banks before you find one that is willing.

I tried many banks and different branches before being successful at the Bangkok Bank.

The agent fee for this task seems to be about 4 to 5,000 Baht if you need to. Everything else with the visa process is simply providing the evidence requested by immigration and attending on the correct dates, so need for an agent for that.

Good luck.
Brandon ************
Go to your immigration office and ask them for the handout to convert to non-O retirement visa. There are very few immigration offices that don't allow it.
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