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What are the best visa options and strategies for a 60-year-old retired Canadian planning to stay in Thailand longer than 90 days?
non-O visaretirement visavisa extensionThailand immigrationhealth insurance requirementsborder runin-country visa applicationDTV visafinancial requirements for visaCanadian expats in Thailand
Sep 20, 2024
2 years ago
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTERHi all..Really appreciate any advice on the following - I am 60, retired, financially well Canadian. Applied for the O-non imgrant retirement visa from Canada and after submitting all of the docs and paid so much fees (incl 2 health insurance) didn't get too far. The Embasy asked for more docs based on their forms which I didn't see or know when I went though the on-line application. Now I am in Europe and plan to fly to Thailand Oct 1. I understand the visa 2 + 1 months, but wish to stay longer. What would be the best way to achieve this while within Thailand? I am keeping all of the health coverage, criminal checks, etc. Would love to here from westerners who are gone through this and got any long-term stay visas. Thanks all.
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The post discusses the challenges faced by a retired Canadian expat applying for a non-O retirement visa from Canada. After submitting extensive documentation and receiving a request for additional papers from the embassy, the individual seeks advice on extending their stay in Thailand beyond the initial 90 days provided by their entry visa. Community responses suggest possible strategies, including switching to the non-O visa while in Thailand, utilizing a Visa Agent for assistance, or completing a border run to activate a new visa. They also advise on necessary financial deposits for the non-O visa, the option of a long-term DTV visa based on language or cultural studies, and share various experiences and recommendations for dealing with Thailand's immigration process.
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Tr *****
I thought the non-O visa was for a year at a time ?
Graham ******
@Tr ****
No, 90 days on entry then apply for the 12 months Extension of StayTr *****
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Henrik *****
Do NOT count in months, it may lead to confusion.
About visa always count in days.
About visa always count in days.
Paul ***************
Go to an agency
Steve **********
1st Don't panic.
' This Is Thsiland '
If your visa hasn't been rejected, go to immig and talk to one if the IO volunteers at each office, they'll walk you through it.
'O' doesn't need health insurance.
Crim record...I think no more.
The forms are easy if you understand IO's love to fluster farang ( a power thing ), if finances ok as you say, it's just deal with frustration for an hour (or 3 or 4 ).
Went thru it over 20 years ago, renew yearly . Don't know why, but they add or subtract a form yearly, or req more Than 1 copy if you have one. If you give them 2, they shake their head and give one back.
It's a game..keep smiling, be respectful.
Good luck, it's worth it..Avoid Agents
' This Is Thsiland '
If your visa hasn't been rejected, go to immig and talk to one if the IO volunteers at each office, they'll walk you through it.
'O' doesn't need health insurance.
Crim record...I think no more.
The forms are easy if you understand IO's love to fluster farang ( a power thing ), if finances ok as you say, it's just deal with frustration for an hour (or 3 or 4 ).
Went thru it over 20 years ago, renew yearly . Don't know why, but they add or subtract a form yearly, or req more Than 1 copy if you have one. If you give them 2, they shake their head and give one back.
It's a game..keep smiling, be respectful.
Good luck, it's worth it..Avoid Agents
Øyvind *************************
I all ways say welcome to Cambodia ..thailand is difficult
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Øyvind ************************
how easy is Cambodia? And is it fun" like Thailand?Reply to
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Terary **********
I would come, visa exempt, then when you are here work out your future plans. I have a buddy that has a retirement visa. He tells me its better to get those in-country because of insurance reasons... That may not apply to you, now, but I am quite sure you can get a retirement visa while you are here. If you have a few extra dollars and don't want to be bothered, you can hire a visa agent to do it for you..
Brandon ************
@Terary *********
there are no insurance reasons. I don't know if any embassy that requires insurance for the non-O anymore. It's better to get the non-O before you travel to Thailand so you can open a bank account much easier.Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Brandon ***********
i though you cannot do the non-o from outside Thailand?Brandon ************
@Kevin *****
what made you think that? You can get it at any Thai embassy that allows foreigners to apply. Or at your home embassy.Reply to
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Kenneth *******
Come here on the 60-day stamp and go to Immigration in Bangkok and have all your documents with you. Retirement Visa is easier to get in Bangkok.
Jo **********
just come in visa exempt 60 days extend 30 days total 90 days
Kalaya *********
Just go another country and go back to Thailand much more better
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kalaya ********
tried it last year, did not get a renewed 30 days and got charged at exit for 3 extra daysReply to
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Dennis *********
could just go to Thailand 60 days visa exempt, then find a local agent, does cost a bit, but quite easy and painless. They'll also get you setup with a bank account.
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Dennis ********
just chatted with an agent. Close to 50k bhtReply to
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Jason **********
Easiest semi long term visa for you would be the DTV. Use a thai soft power activity like thai language, muai thai or cooking. You only need to show documents from the school and the equivalent of 500,000 baht in a bank account. The visa is multiple entries for 5 years. Each entry stamp is 180 days and you can leave and come back for a new stamp. This would give you lots of time to figure out your retirement visa while already living in thailand. The visa application fee is only 10,000 baht like $300.
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTERI did that 2 years ago to Vietnam and stayed for a week. Got back to Thailand and when left Thailand had 3 days over the old 30 days visa. Got charged 1500 bht, so this is not guaranteed and at the discretion of the immigration officer
Duncanc **********
Just border bounce
John *********
The non OA visa can only be completed from your home country. You can apply for the non O visa whilst in Thailand. You will need to deposit
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0thb in a Thai bank after you get the non O visa approved. The money must be in a Thai bank for 2 months. At the end of the 3 months you go to immigration and get a one year non O visa approved. Check immigration website or talk to immigration as to what you need to give them at the end of the 3 months.Tony **********
@John ********
฿800k must be in bank Scott to apply for non-o in country. That's why it is already best to get your non-o through evisa while in your home country.Graham ******
@John ********
The 800k is needed to apply for the in-country Non-O, not only for the Extension of StayReply to
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Judy *******
Better to apply within the country
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTERI got the Siam Legal internation offering to help with opening bankaccount. Should I trust them? And what is typically the fees for this thing. If I show proof of income over 65k boat, do I still need to open a bank account?
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Judy ******
how?Ian **********
@Kevin *****
Apply in country. You don't need health insurance or CRC. The hardest part is opening a bank accountGraham ******
@Ian *********
Health insurance or CRC are also not required for a Non-O obtained from outside ThailandIan **********
@Graham *****
I know. The poster is already in Europe and you can only apply for a non-O from your country of residence. He was applying for an OA retirement visa in his home country that requires CRC and health insurance.Graham ******
@Ian *********
You can only apply for a Non-OA in your country of residenceIan **********
@Graham *****
I know and that is what he did but he didn't complete it so he asked for options.Reply to
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@Kevin *****
don't use an agent (other than maybe to open a bank account) it's easy. Once your bank account is open, deposit 800,000 baht, ensuring it shows as an international transfer (if using Wise use the code to state you are buying property, this changed recently).
Go to immigration and ask for their requirements for a non o retirement.
Supply the information they request and pay the fee.
2 months later apply for a 1 year extention.
It will likely be the same documents plus some information from your bank.
Repeat the final (extention) once a year.
Good luck.
Judy *******
@Kevin *****
easierJudy *******
@Kevin *****
use an agentReply to
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Tony **********
You can still submit the additional docs as long as your application has not been rejected. If it is rejected, you can get a non-o (not OA) while here. You will probably need to use an agent to get a bank account opened and you'll need to deposit 800k before you apply. Even if your evisa is approved AFTER you enter Thailand, you can border bounce to activate it.
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTERHow much agent typically charges?
Kathy ************
@Tony *********
police check done at police department Family doctor
The doctor has a right or some staff usually can notarized
Banking information from your bank manager
Then when you come here with application filled in properly
You can do it all yourself
Proof from local to confirm deposit and balances on your Thailand accounts
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Tony **********
@Kathy ***********
you can't apply for non-oa in Thailand. However, he can shoot for non-o here without medical, insurance or criminal checks.Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kathy ***********
went to policy, they told me do it on line, and I did it, sent to embassy and they told me not a capable. Pain..after pain. The doctor letter is not a capable. I have to test for 4 disease and have my doctor fill the Thai form confirming I am clear. Again, pain since I am outside Canada nowTony **********
@Kevin *****
you can also apply for non-o from Canada through evisa. You just have to show either ฿800k in bank or show ฿65k in monthly income. No need for insurance, criminal check or medical certificateReply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Tony *********
I and do the non O-A visa while in Thailand??? How do I get the medical and.police docs notarized or completed on the Thai formsSimon *****
@Kevin *****
You don’t do the non OA visa in Thailand, you do the non O visa when in Thailand. To apply non O in Thailand is much more simple than apply non OA in your home country. When you enter Thailand with your Canadian passport, you will get a stamp to stay 60 days under visa exemption scheme. You then open an account with a Thai Bank, remit 800,000 baht to your Thai account. Go to immigration to apply for a non O retirement visa, which is initially a 90 days visa when granted, then before this visa expires, go to extend it for 1 year. Thereafter, extend it every year for another year.
Helen ********
@Simon ****
as a Canadian @Kevin *****
doesn't need to do the deposit since he can still get an affidavit of income from the Canadian Embassy in BKK or Consulate in Chiang Mai. Easy to do and still accepted by immigration.Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Helen *******
Thank you. Does the Canadian embassy/ consulate provide this kind of service if i go and ask for it?Helen ********
@Kevin *****
yes. You just need to contact whichever one you plan on going to and ask them what documents they want. We've used our proof of income that we print from CRA. In Chiang Mai you make an appointment, it's 1250 and they give you a letter to take to immigration.Reply to
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Kim *********
@Kevin *****
sorry to butt in but Tony said non-o NOT non o-aReply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Tony *********
i have a friend's friend who works at one bank. Can she do that for me instead of agents? Not sure if I can trust agent.Stuart ***********
@Kevin *****
the advice Tony gave is excellent. Ask your friend if they can help you open an account here, they are the only person that would know. If not, and you are not on a long term visa in Thailand, chances are you would need to use an agent, but you can find a reputable one and would go to the bank with them to open the account, so I wouldn't worry about that too much. I think it costs about 5,000 baht. There are advantages with applying for the non o instead of the oa (you don't need to use the insurance companies stipulated and don't need to leave Thailand). Good luck
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Brandon ************
Sounds like you didn't apply for the non-O but you applied for the non-OA instead. The non-O doesn't have any insurance requirement and is not expensive. The non-OA has a large insurance requirement, and requires many documents like a criminal history check, health certificate, and costs significantly more money.
But since you already paid, if you're able to get the non-OA visa, it gives you 1 year in Thailand instead of the 90 days of a non-O.
But since you already paid, if you're able to get the non-OA visa, it gives you 1 year in Thailand instead of the 90 days of a non-O.
Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTERWas this through the embassy website, or the thai immigration website?
Brandon ************
@Kevin *****
neither. It's through the Thailand e-visa website, the only place you can apply for a visa through Thai embassies in Canada. The only place you could have applied for your visa originallyReply to
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Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTERThe embassy in Canada told me that if i want the non-o i have to apply to immigration office, no embassy
Brandon ************
@Kevin *****
Don't know why they told you that when I can clearly and easily choose the non-O retirement visa when using e-visa to apply through Canada.Reply to
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Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Brandon ***********
thanks! My issue is not the insurance or expenses, I will need the insurance regardless, but I just checked the O-A visa and it have the same requirements regarding criminal record certified, and the medical certification. I have obtained and submitted both through on-line and the embassy in Ottawa sent me their forms to be redone/refilled by the doctor and the Police in Canada. I am now in Turkey and will fly to Thailand, so almost impossible to get these done per the embassy requirements.Chris *******
Brandon ************
@Kevin *****
you could try asking the embassy if they can switch your application to non-O. It's a long shot but worth a try since they could likely issue that based on what you already submitted.Kevin ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Brandon ***********
totally 2 different government organizations. This will not work.Brandon ************
@Kevin *****
embassy is embassy. I don't know what you're sayingReply to
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