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Have the remarks on Thailand's DTV visa changed for remote work categories?

Paul *******
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Have they changed the wording in the "remarks" column of recently issued DTVs? It used to say "employment prohibited" even when applying under the workcation category (referring to in-country employment) but I saw a recently issued e-visa with the remarks "workcation" and in Thai it says "remote work".

Can those with recently issued DTVs, both the visa sticker type and e-visas let us know what it says in the "remarks" field on their visa?
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There is recent discussion regarding changes in the remarks column of Thailand's newly issued DTV visas. Previously, visas included the wording "employment prohibited" even for individuals applying under the workcation category, which pertains to in-country employment. A user reported seeing a recent e-visa with the remark "workcation" and a Thai translation of "remote work," leading to inquiries about clauses on other newly issued visas. Several commenters shared their experiences, indicating a mix of responses—some receiving the traditional "employment prohibited" remark on sticker visas, while others noted more casual wording on e-visas. The conversation reflects differing interpretations of the visa's wording, especially regarding its implications for remote work and employment authorization in Thailand.
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Alessandro *********
Alessandro *********
On mine they got creative
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Alessandro ********
Yours says "tourist remote worker". Where did you apply by the way?
James ********
James ********
@Paul ******
the DTV Visa is a tourist visa...And if issued under the workation... then this would be understandable. Hmmmmm 🤔
Alessandro *********
Alessandro *********
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Alessandro ********
It seems that all visas issued in sticker form still state "employment prohibited", meanwhile some of the e-visas now say things like what's indicated on your visa.
Martha **********
Martha **********
I got it for soft power
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Martha *********
I see. I'm seeing this remark on visas issued for any category...except some of the more recently issued workcation e-visas and then only from specific consulates, mainly in western countries.
Jef ********
Jef ********
This was what mine said , issued last night. Nothing about employment prohibited
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Jef *******
Interesting. Yes, it just mentions your passport expiry date.
Sab *****
Sab *****
Employment prohibited - issued 2 weeks ago.
Wannikea *********
Wannikea *********
Seems they might be wising up, eluding to the category the visa was obtained under. Possibly extensions will need to provide same category proof or a new category 10,000 baht DTV application/extension fee may apply.
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Wannikea ********
Yes and if that's the case, I wish mine could be changed. I don't really like the "employment prohibited" remark, which could be interpreted incorrectly. Mine was issued under the workcation category.

I think maybe consulates that have issued e-visas might be willing to reissue them with new remarks but this isn't possible if you've received a traditional visa sticker.
Sefton ********
Sefton ********
@Paul ******
Employment prohibited, in the context of Thai visas and immigration simply means this visa class does not support a work permit. Perfectly normal.

And IF the 'workaction' ones come with any additional reporting burdens possibly beneficial.
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Sam ********
Never listen to someone blindly. Sefton claims it was easy for him to open a bank account on a DTV, for everyone else it's been difficult.

I think I've been very precise with my advice yet you haven't praised me?
Sam *********
Sam *********
@Paul ******
after lurking here a long time,
@Sefton *******
is one of the few people i would 100% listen to!
James ********
James ********
@Sefton *******
agreed 👍
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Shandy *******
Yep, could be. However, regardless of this, a work permit must accompany a valid visa that is work authorized.
Shandy ********
Shandy ********
@Paul ******
The "employment prohibited" might be for potential Thai employers, not for immigration authorities. When a Thai company is doing their employment verification process, they'll check your visa to see if you have employment authorization. You'll give them your foreign passport during the hiring process and they'll see you can't be legally hired on the sticker visa in your passport.
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Wannikea ********
Haha. Well, I prefer predictable rules. I'm far from old, but when I do get to that age, I'd hate having to deal with tons of bureaucratic nonsense.

Now with that stated, taking out a Thai car is generally straightforward enough - it's usually the neighboring country that puts in place roadblocks (except at the Chanthaburi crossings, where a military permit is required to take your vehicle out and Thai customs is known to block Cambodian owners of Thai vehicles because they're afraid they won't be brought back in...absolutely silly and discriminatory). On the other hand, Cambodia until relatively recently, generally banned Thai vehicles from entering via Ban Laem just in general, regardless of who owns the vehicle.

Thai truckers get the short end of the stick when going to any neighboring country. Fuel trucks aside, Laos no longer permits Thai trucks to travel further than a short distance from the border crossing entered. Meanwhile, Vietnamese and Chinese trucks ply Lao roads in their thousands.

Cambodia also has restrictions on how far Thai trucks can travel from the border - but Vietnamese trucks have pretty much free reign.

Malaysia bans entry to Thai buses, vans and Thai trucks - except in rare cases of perishable items, but generally, Malaysian trucks enter Thailand to pick up these goods and then transport them to destinations within Malaysia or Singapore. Sometimes you see Thai registered trailers within Malaysia, but the trucks pulling them are always Malaysian registered without exception, despite Malaysia and Thailand driving on the same side of the road.

For Thai cars going to Laos via Vientiane - they're back to restricting them to 15 days (although this is extendable later), meanwhile, in the reverse direction, you can easily get 30 days if driving a Lao car into Thailand right at the border.
Wannikea *********
Wannikea *********
@Paul ******
chaos builds resilient adaptability, a sure way to die of boredom is predictability
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Wannikea ********
I mean, I deal with Thai officials all the time and while many of them are lovely, they're not the brightest.

I am fluent in Thai BTW but the Thai lady in charge of customs at a land border with Cambodia just didn't understand why I wanted a stamp in my purple car passport.

She's not used to anyone taking a car out to explore Cambodia...she's used to locals driving across for 10km then coming back the same way. Go figure, because I only saw 2 Thai cars further than the border area on that day and zero Thai trucks (they're not allowed to leave the border area). Whereas Vietnamese trucks are allowed to drive around Cambodia.

I told her for crossings between Cambodia and Laos directly, it's mandatory. No stamps from the Thai side = no entry to Laos by car.

Her Cambodian helper improvised and found a stamp with the name of the border crossing, then a separate one with the official's name (possibly her one) and a date stamp.

That's all I wanted.

Similarly, one official who sees this visa might assume no work is permitted at all, while another official understands what the "employment prohibited" remarks refers to.

Over the years, you begin to understand that things operate on a different level here.

And speaking of border crossings, especially those by land...each time I cross such a border, even when I'm crossing the same border, the procedures are different, however slight.
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Wannikea ********
It seems to be now, but again, I think the authorities didn't think things through when they wrote "Employment prohibited" on most visas, rather than "Employment in Thailand prohibited" or "workcation, remote work".
Wannikea *********
Wannikea *********
@Paul ******
honestly I think you're overthinking this. Yeah every word in the language can be interpreted or misinterpreted. I think it's pretty clear that remote work is a thing, acceptable, and encouraged.
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Sefton *******
Clearly you haven't.
Sefton ********
Sefton ********
@Paul ******
yeah 24 years here not picked that up..
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Sefton *******
You don't know Thailand well at all. Each officer/official interprets things their own way.

There's no one standard set of operating rules in Thailand.
Sefton ********
Sefton ********
@Paul ******
employment prohibited has had a specific meaning to Thai authorities for decades..

You are free to worry about whatever you wish of course.
Paul *******
Paul *******
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@Sefton *******
While that may be true, in the context of overseas authorities, they would interpret this to mean no work permitted at all. You might say...why would they care what you're doing in Thailand as that's the responsibility of Thai immigration? Equally, even authorities within Thailand might interpret this wording as meaning no work at all, including no online work.

I'd rather have a visa which says "workcation - remote work" on it. However, I don't think immigration offices within Thailand will change it.

This one needs monitoring, because it appears as though only some consulates and specifically the ones issuing e-visas, are putting things other than "employment prohibited" in the remarks section.

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