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Does my daughter need the Thailand Pass and insurance when flying back on a UK passport with an expired Thai passport?
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Jun 17, 2022
4 years ago
Mark ********
ORIGINAL POSTERMy daughter flys back to Thailand from London in 3 weeks. She was stamped into Heathrow on her uk passport as her Thailand passport date has expired. If she’s Flying back to Thailand using her uk passport will she need to get the thailand pass with insurance etc ? Or still having an expired Thai passport is it ok to fly back without the Thai pass and insurance. Thanks for any advice.
TLDR : Answer Summary
As of July 1st, the Thailand Pass is no longer required for anyone entering Thailand, which means your daughter will not need it irrespective of the passport she uses. If she travels on her UK passport, she will be treated as a foreigner entering Thailand but will still be able to confirm her Thai citizenship upon entry. While entering Thailand with an expired Thai passport is generally permitted for Thai citizens, it's advisable to contact the Thai consulate for specific guidance. Overall, unless any new restrictions are imposed, she should be fine to travel without needing to secure insurance or the Thailand Pass.
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George *************
From actual personal experience with my dual Thai-American citizen friend who entered Thailand on her US passport because her Thai had expired it is NOT possible to switch passports in Thailand. She was able to apply for a new Thai passport while in Thailand. She took the new Thai passport to Phuket Immigration and was told she had four options. She could leave Thailand before her permission to stay expired. She could extend her permission to stay based on her visa-exempt entry by 30 days for purposes of tourism. She could apply for a one-year extension of stay for being a returning Thai national. She could leave the country by air and return on her Thai passport. Those were her actual options, not her theoretical options. In my opinion, you are doing a disservice to people who need to know how they will be treated in those circumstances by telling them how you think it should be done rather than how it is actually done.
Jhon *******
Renew Passport with Thai Consular service. Respect.
Paul ********
If she is a Thai citizen, she is fine
Ken ********
Thai pass is meant to finish 1st next month
John ********
No
Mark ************
Hello Mark i can do here Health cover + doc's for her... MHF Wrlife
Lisa ********************
Thai Pass no longer required after 1st July
Karim ***************
Tell her to renew her Thai passport while in the U.K. She will have problems if she renters Thailand in U.K. passport as she will only get 30.
Marc ********
@Karim **************
She can enter with her UK passport and get a new Thai passport in Thailand. No problem. Even if the 30 days are up. You cannot overstay in Thailand as a thai citizen. Regardless if your thai passport is expired or notAndrew *****
@Marc *******
my wife entered on her uk as lost her Thai passport when going back to the uk they wanted to fine her said she should have gone to immigration and sort it out cant over stay but have to have paperwork done properlyGeorge *************
@Marc *******
From actual personal experience with my dual Thai-American citizen friend who entered Thailand on her US passport because her Thai had expired it is NOT possible to switch passports in Thailand. She was able to apply for a new Thai passport while in Thailand. She took the new Thai passport to Phuket Immigration and was told she had four options. She could leave Thailand before her permission to stay expired. She could extend her permission to stay based on her visa-exempt entry by 30 days for purposes of tourism. She could apply for a one-year extension of stay for being a returning Thai national. She could leave the country by air and return on her Thai passport. Those were her actual options, not her theoretical options. In my opinion, you are doing a disservice to people who need to know how they will be treated in those circumstances by telling them how you think it should be done rather than how it is actually done.John **********
@Marc *******
please show something to back up your supposition. Like pointing to a fact on the immigration site or some other government institutionMarc ********
@John *********
Why? You really think I there is a link for some theoretical happenings😅John **********
@Marc *******
it's not theoretical though is it. You're commenting on a real world exampleMarc ********
@John *********
My point is theoretical. But it could happen..That's why I am certain if you are dual citizen but your original citizenship was thai and you enter Thailand on the wrong passport. They cannot hold you accountable if you did something wrong in the immigration process with your other "identity"You are thai in the first place
John **********
@Marc *******
ach go awayMarc ********
@John *********
ach you started to argue with me. I have a valid point. That's all you can say nowJohn **********
@Marc *******
I was never arguing with you, I was pointing out factsMarc ********
@John *********
So did IJohn **********
@Marc *******
really? Then show themMarc ********
@John *********
I cannot. But fact is you can lose your citizenship if you gained it on false marriage.John **********
@Marc *******
clutching straws my friendMarc ********
@John *********
But it's possible theoretically. That's why I am certain if you as a "original" Thai citizen enter on "wrong" passport it is different and the "farang becoming thai" restrictions will not applyJohn **********
@Marc *******
to certain you need to be able to provide proof. You can't. It's a theory based on your imagination, nothing moreMarc ********
@John *********
It is not. It certainly could happen. Being born thai is different than being born farang and gain thai citizenshipJohn **********
@Marc *******
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John **********
@Marc *******
I didn't mention punish, you sound like you want her flogged. of course she can get a new Thai passport inside Thailand but she will remain on her UK passport until such time as she flies out on UK passport and re-enters on her Thai passport and will have to follow the rules for her situation until that time. That's just how it works.Marc ********
@John *********
Theoretically I agree. But as I said as a born Thai citizen born in Thailand you will not face consequences if you gained dual citizenship and entered on the "wrong" passport. Suppose she loses her citizenship while in Thailand? I am certain she will not have to do border run to be considered Thai again.She couldn't even check out with her "wrong" passport. It's void.
John **********
@Marc *******
can't be bothered arguing with you. I didn't say she had to do a border run to be considered Thai, I said she has to do a border run to switch passport. Did you look at the point I sent or are you just talking hot airMarc ********
@John *********
You don't understand the fact theoretically you can lose your "other" citizenship. So there wouldn't be any switching passports anymore. Only the Thai passport would remainJohn **********
@Marc *******
even an expired passport has a functionMarc ********
@John *********
You still don't get my point. Let's say I am a born Thai. I have only thai citizenship as I am thai.Then later I marry a woman from the US just to get my green card and later get US citizenship.
I get US citizenship on a fake marriage.
Later I enter Thailand on my US passport.
In the meanwhile the US government finds out my marriage is fake and I lose my US citizenship
My US passport I entered Thailand is void.
For now on I only have thai citizenship but I entered on another passport which is no longer legal.
So no extention and nothing for me.
That's why I am certain all the restrictions will not apply to a thai citizen from birth
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Brandon ************
@Marc *******
you can overstay if you enter on a UK passport because you're not considered Thai then.Marc ********
@Brandon ***********
Of course you can. You just need to show then your thai passport laterBrandon ************
@Marc *******
you have to leave and re-enter to be considered a Thai. But if you enter on a foreign passport you have to go to immigration every year and get 1 year extension for being Thai until you leave and re-enter. Much better to just enter on the expired Thai passport.Marc ********
@Brandon ***********
I don't believe that. Suppose you enter with a other passport and then you lose your citizenship of that country?Where will they deport you?
Once you are a citizen of any country you cannot overstay and they cannot deport you.
Or will they blacklist your "foreign national identity" and ban you for years because of overstay?
But your thai identity is legal there?😅
Brandon ************
@Marc *******
they won't deport you. Overstay for them is just a fine.Marc ********
@Brandon ***********
Not for a thai citizen. overstay penalty will be void once you proved you are a citizenAgain if she would lose her citizenship while being in Thailand. She could not "check out" with her UK passport.
No way to leave thailand with that passport.
Overstay rules do not apply for thai citizen
Karim ***************
@Marc *******
you’re just guessing here.Brandon ************
@Marc *******
Then why does 1 year extension of stay for being a Thai citizen even exist?Marc ********
@Brandon ***********
Because this will be for farangs becoming thai citizen in Thailand. They have to leave the country and reenter first to be "considered" Thai.But this will not apply to a born Thai citizen born in Thailand.
Thai was the first nationality in that case
John **********
@Marc *******
even if you are a Thai citizen entering on a UK passport means you are basically a foreigner but with different treatment to other foreigners. There are immigration restrictions such as having to obtain annual extension. To change to a Thai passport she would have to leave the country on the UK passport and re-enter on a Thai passport. Much simpler to just leave UK on UK passport and enter Thailand on a Thai passport.Marc ********
@John *********
I didn't say it wouldn't be much simpler entering on the expired thai passport.I just said I am sure there are no major consequences if she enters on her UK passport and renews her thai passport in Thailand and the restrictiond will not apply to her since she can prove she is Thai already
Mark ********
ORIGINAL POSTERMarc ********
@Mark *******
Thank you SirMark ********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Marc *******
u pretty much had it spot on. Thanks for your help 👍Marc ********
@Mark *******
Your welcome. It's just common sense. On FB people don't have any and just trying to find a problem where there isn't any🤷♂️John **********
@Marc *******
she can't change passports inside Thailand. She would be on the UK passport until such time as she left Thailand (by air as you can't switch passport any other way) and re-entered on her Thai passport. While inside Thailand on a UK passport she would have to get an extension of stay each year from immigration. See #29 on the list in the link, it's not as simple as you are trying to imply. *****************************************
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Marc ********
@John *********
Of course she can get s new thai passport in Thailand. Regardless on what passport she entered.Theoretically the restrictions apply to her. I am just saying I am sure she will not face any consequences if she enters on her UK passport and get a new Thai passport inside the country. Once she got her new Thai passport she will not have to leave as they cannot punish her thai identity for what her UK identity did wrong in the immigration process.
She is not an alien
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Pacific ********
From July 1st:
1) TP will no longer be required for foreigners entering Thailand.
2) Those entering Thailand will be required to show proof that they're vaccinated or a negative ATK or pro-ATK test result. No covid insurance required.
3) Mask wearing outdoor will no longer be mandatory excepts in crowded places.
4) As always, we wait to be official once published in the RG.
1) TP will no longer be required for foreigners entering Thailand.
2) Those entering Thailand will be required to show proof that they're vaccinated or a negative ATK or pro-ATK test result. No covid insurance required.
3) Mask wearing outdoor will no longer be mandatory excepts in crowded places.
4) As always, we wait to be official once published in the RG.
マレー *****
Thailand pass may be done for so you might be ok
Ian ********
Thais can enter on the expired thai passport
Bobby ********
@Ian *******
Cannot travel on expired passportMarc ********
@Ian *******
But will the airline let one board with expired passport I wonder.Most countries let their citizens enter with expired passport. But not sure if it is more for land borders
Paul *********
@Marc *******
leave on UK and enter on expired ThaiMarc ********
@Paul ********
yes best solution for sureReply to
Marc ********
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Mark ********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Ian *******
thanks 🙏Reply to
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John **********
If she enters Thailand on her UK passport she will be treated as anyone from the UK. She should try entering on her expired Thai passport, though I don't know if they will allow that
Bobby ********
@John *********
Makes no difference from July 1st. Thailand Pass is scrappedJohn **********
@Bobby *******
Thai pass has nothing to do with which passport you enter the country onBobby ********
@John *********
Thailand Pass was scrapped for Thai passport holders on June 1st, so it makes a lot of difference in this caseJohn **********
@Bobby *******
if she comes in on a UK passport she's got a lot bigger or than a Thai pass. Which is being scrapped for everyone before she arrives anywayReply to
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Chris *******
If she is arriving after July 1st it looks like it won't matter.
TP is looking like it's done.
BUT it is not ratified quite yet, stay tuned.
TP is looking like it's done.
BUT it is not ratified quite yet, stay tuned.
Bobby ********
Thailand Pass is scrapped from July 1st
Mark ********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Bobby *******
is that 100%Luc ************
And no more insurance.
Bobby ********
@Mark *******
Yes. Announced todayJohn *********
@Bobby *******
It is not official until it is announced in the Royal Gazette, whilst we all keep our fingers crossed you know what Thailand is like things can changeBobby ********
@John ********
It's 100%. Every time the CCSA announce a change people wail "it's not official". Trust me, it's a done dealJohn *********
@Bobby *******
all hoping. It would make my week trip back to uk so much easier. 🙏Marc ********
@Bobby *******
Nothing exept dead is 100% guaranteed in life😅But unless a major thing happenes it's a done deal yes😉
Mark ********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Bobby *******
oh yes just saw 🤓thanks for your helpReply to
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Sonia *******
Get her to contact the Thai consulate and ask
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